Value of: Who on your team would you NOT trade for Bedard?

[Maukkis]

On the Jets? No one.

Around the league I think the only reasonable answers are McDavid and maybe Makar due to a combination of contract and ability (and that's a big maybe).

It's pretty hard to balance out the value of a potential superstar on an ELC because it's really not a 1-for-1 deal at that point, it's Bedard plus 3 years of whoever you can afford with the cap savings. Even if you think Bedard will only be equivalent to a $7M player over the length of his ELC, that's a huge discount and you still get his rights after that.

I'd argue that the list is much longer than many would anticipate, mostly because NHL GMs are as risk-averse as it gets in professional sports. A guy like, let's say Kucherov should be an easy trade, but does a GM want to be the guy who traded a perennial superstar for a bust (if it was to turn out that way)? Nope, gotta get another GM job some day. Better not risk it, am I right?

That said, I'd trade any pair of Jets' players for Bedard without even bothering to check which two guys they were.

 

[Mrfenn92]

It’s just such a hard thread

 

[treple13]

From Calgary I wouldn't have a problem with any two players. Our most valuable assets are maybe Andersson and Weegar (most of our best guys aren't signed ong term). You could probably take any three assets from us. I'm not sure where I stop, but either way, definitely nobody I wouldn't trade

That said, I'd trade any pair of Jets' players for Bedard without even bothering to check which two guys they were.

I feel like this might be a more fun thread. Which teams wouldn't give up their best two assets for Bedard. Calgary would easily. A team like Anaheim or Columbus now becomes a good debate

 

[GCK]

For Ottawa Stutzle and Sanderson are the only 2.

 

[Sebastien]

The dude hasn't played 1 game in the nhl and is skinny. My gosh how about he plays a game in the nhl or half a season before people declare him to be great

 

[RefsIdeas]

For Ottawa Stutzle and Sanderson are the only 2.

You wouldn’t trade Stutzle or Sanderson for Bedard?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The dude hasn't played 1 game in the nhl and is skinny. My gosh how about he plays a game in the nhl or half a season before people declare him to be great

How about no? NHL scouting has easily advanced far enough to the point where they can safely project a future generational level talent

For Ottawa Stutzle and Sanderson are the only 2.

Sanderson lol

 

[miscs75]

Isles fourth line. Can’t have an identity without the identity line.

Clutter/Czikas/Martin 4 Life yo.

Talent ain’t welcome ON Long Island

Bedard doesn’t have the gritz we need

What about Johnston? Roscoe is the real glue that holds them together.

The only true answer for the Islanders would be Ilya Sorokin. Sorokin is Russian machine (in best Drago accent).

 

[jonlin]

There's absolutely no chance Edmonton trades McDavid for Bedard 1 for 1. 0%.

If you want to argue that in a vacuum, some teams may choose to add Bedard on ELC vs McDavid at current AAV to their teams if given the choice - maybe. But from Edmonton's perspective, no way. They would not do that trade.

McDavid for 3yrs @ 12.5M or Bedard on a ELC starting next fall, I take Bedard 100%

 

[Maukkis]

From Calgary I wouldn't have a problem with any two players. Our most valuable assets are maybe Andersson and Weegar (most of our best guys aren't signed ong term). You could probably take any three assets from us. I'm not sure where I stop, but either way, definitely nobody I wouldn't trade


I feel like this might be a more fun thread. Which teams wouldn't give up their best two assets for Bedard. Calgary would easily. A team like Anaheim or Columbus now becomes a good debate

Many. The ones who wouldn't, based on a quick hunch:

- Tampa (losing Hedman + Vasilevskiy ends their contention then and there, which they wouldn't accept.)
- Edmonton (need I say anything?)
- Dallas (you might get a replacement for Hintz in Bedard, but good luck finding another Miro.)
- Toronto (as awkward as the situation there is, losing both Matthews and Marner would be devastating.)
- Florida (the foundation is set already in Barkov and Tkachuk. No need to mess with it.)
- Buffalo (Thompson + Dahlin is nowhere near elite level, but how much better would it really get with Bedard?)
- Pittsburgh (they would never... they should, but they wouldn't.)
- New Jersey (if Bedard turned out to be a Hughes, it would already be a sizable win. Losing Hischier wouldn't be worth the bother.)
- Carolina? (if Slavin and Aho had longer deals in place, this wouldn't be a debate, but I think they'd at least consider it as of now.)
- Colorado? (call me an idiot, but if they got to keep Rantanen, I think they'd be able to weather the storm. Between Toews, Girard and Byram, they should be just fine without Makar.)
- Rangers? (Fox + Shesty would be an absolutely brutal loss. Not sure about this one, really.)

 

[Cancuks]

OEL for sentimental reasons.

 

[GreenLine]

I'd argue that the list is much longer than many would anticipate, mostly because NHL GMs are as risk-averse as it gets in professional sports. A guy like, let's say Kucherov should be an easy trade, but does a GM want to be the guy who traded a perennial superstar for a bust (if it was to turn out that way)? Nope, gotta get another GM job some day. Better not risk it, am I right?

That said, I'd trade any pair of Jets' players for Bedard without even bothering to check which two guys they were.

True, but the perception of the trade would be helped by the fact that the player traded in this absurd hypothetical scenario would likely struggle in Chicago. Then the narrative changes to how they flipped a declining asset.

If the Lightning traded Kucherov for Bedard, they could immediately add a player for $6.8M (or more if they're fine with Bedard's likely bonus overage rolling into the next year). That's a big cap savings for a contender.

 

[Guttersniped]

Is HFBoards trying to make Bedard annoying or something?

New poll: Which organ would you harvest for Bedard?
1) sibling’s kidney?
2) your own kidney?
3) least liked relative’s liver?
4) your pet dog’s heart?

 

[Hockeyholic]

NJ wouldn't give up Jack Hughes for Bedard?

 

[miscs75]

Is HFBoards trying to make Bedard annoying or something?

New poll: Which organ would you harvest for Bedard?
1) sibling’s kidney?
2) your own kidney?
3) least liked relative’s liver?
4) your pet dog’s heart?

Connor Bedard, the next coming of Vitali Kravtsov.

 

[PettersonHughes]

OEL for sentimental reasons.

You forgot his partner, Chaos Giraffe Myers.

If we're talking about a tandem for Bedard, I'd hesitate to trade both #40 Pettersson and Quinn Hughes. Barring the unlikely possibility that Bedard grows a bunch and becomes the next Lemieux, it's hard to beat a 100-point, elite 2-way true #1 C with Selke aspirations, esp. when the rest of the center depth chart is already suspect defensively (and in terms of quality) at best.

Same goes for Hughes, since even though we added Hronek Hughes is still the one current constant back there that can carry his own pairing, no questions. He's not the biggest but his mobility and defensive smarts helps him be a one-man transition, while his partner just needs to be adequate defensively and can hopefully be big and able to throw a hit (that's why guys like Burroughs/ Schenn can be on the top pair). Without Quinn our best LHD is one of OEL/ Wolanin/ Hirose.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

*crickets*

 

[TGWL]

1 for 1?

I’m keeping both of the Hughes bros.

I would trade Luke if he were on my team and they came calling for a trade involving Bedard. I probably wouldn't trade Jack. He's already established himself as a star player in the league. He's young. There would be no point in hitting a reset button for somebody potentially better. If my team wasn't competiing anytime soon, I'd probably make the trade.

 

[treple13]

Many. The ones who wouldn't, based on a quick hunch:

- Tampa (losing Hedman + Vasilevskiy ends their contention then and there, which they wouldn't accept.)
- Edmonton (need I say anything?)
- Dallas (you might get a replacement for Hintz in Bedard, but good luck finding another Miro.)
- Toronto (as awkward as the situation there is, losing both Matthews and Marner would be devastating.)
- Florida (the foundation is set already in Barkov and Tkachuk. No need to mess with it.)
- Buffalo (Thompson + Dahlin is nowhere near elite level, but how much better would it really get with Bedard?)
- Pittsburgh (they would never... they should, but they wouldn't.)
- New Jersey (if Bedard turned out to be a Hughes, it would already be a sizable win. Losing Hischier wouldn't be worth the bother.)
- Carolina? (if Slavin and Aho had longer deals in place, this wouldn't be a debate, but I think they'd at least consider it as of now.)
- Colorado? (call me an idiot, but if they got to keep Rantanen, I think they'd be able to weather the storm. Between Toews, Girard and Byram, they should be just fine without Makar.)
- Rangers? (Fox + Shesty would be an absolutely brutal loss. Not sure about this one, really.)

Teams I think definitely do it:

Seattle, Vancouver, Calgary, San Jose, LA, Arizona, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Nashville, St.Louis, Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit, Philly, Islanders

Maybes but probably still do it:

Anaheim (Fantilli & Zegras/McTavish), Toronto (just due to Matthews only having a year left), Boston, Columbus

Probably not:

Dallas, Boston, Buffalo, Florida, Carolina, Washington (for Ovi breaking the record), Rangers

Definitely not:

Colorado, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh (similar to Washington for earned sentiment), New Jersey, Edmonton

 

[RefsIdeas]

If Bedard is the real deal, wouldn't he be eligible to sign an extension before his third year?

McDavid signed his contract prior to his third year.

Unless something changed in the CBA.

You can sign it, but your cap hit will remain the same until it kicks in the 4th year

 

[Coffey]

Definite no for McDavid.
Think about it for Draisaitl. (Only because he's proven, we need to win now and I don't think Bedard will be putting up 100 points in the next year or two.)

 

[Stealth JD]

Hell, I'd give any five guys on the Blues for Bedard.

 

[ichbinkanadier]

Stützle.

Only because it remains to be seen if Bedard is another McDavid/Matthews or a Tavares and I think Stützle will be in between these two categories and as talented as he is, I have concerns about Bedard's size.

But that's just me being risk aversive

 

[Wattsburgh]

I am Pittsburgh. I am Bedard.

Next business model / advertisement for the new generation.

If I want sentimental I’ll watch reruns of the 4 Cup Finals all while being closer to 4 more.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Definitely not McDavid or Draisaitl.