Value of: Who on your team would you NOT trade for Bedard?

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Drouin.

 

[innitfam]

1 for 1?

I’m keeping both of the Hughes bros.

I mean you could possibly make an argument for Jack, but no way for Luke.

 

[CheerstoBeers]

I wouldn't trade Pasta ... sure thing vs the unknown ... chances are he'll be great but nobody knows how this will play out.... nobody is a superstar til they prove it

 

[Aashir Mallik]

In this scenario, Everything and everyone would be on the table

 

[abo9]

No way would I give up our two best players for Bedard. I think he'll be good, but I still don't think he's as sure of a thing as other 'generational' talent has been in years past.
Suzuki, 5 OA, and Guhle? Sure. But not with CC added (or switch CC or Suzuki).

Oh, I would in a heartbeat. They're Montreal's 2 best players, and probably the best we've seen in 20 years. But a potential gamebreaker talent like Bedard? I take that risk in a heartbeat.


And I'm not hating on the two either. There's just a world of difference between top 50-75 players and a top 10.


But I get it. It's difficult justifying that price for a guy who hasn't even played in the NHL, and multiple pieces at that. I'm not saying it would be the "right" decision, just a gamble I'd be able to live with if the GM could pull it off.

Let's not even discuss McDavid. I'd do it for a Makar, Mackinon, Kucherov type talent.

 

[Eco]

Oh, I would in a heartbeat. They're Montreal's 2 best players, and probably the best we've seen in 20 years. But a potential gamebreaker talent like Bedard? I take that risk in a heartbeat.


And I'm not hating on the two either. There's just a world of difference between top 50-75 players and a top 10.


But I get it. It's difficult justifying that price for a guy who hasn't even played in the NHL, and multiple pieces at that. I'm not saying it would be the "right" decision, just a gamble I'd be able to live with if the GM could pull it off

I do see your point, but I believe we have the right pieces in place, and we have so much talent and play makers in the org that I would be devastated if we gave it all away for one guy.

Unless that was McDavid, and this is no McDavid.

 

[rogking65]

Larkin and Seider.

you forgot just joking emoji

 

[hamzarocks]

Id trade both my nutz + Marner for him

I can live without having any children

 

[ponder719]

The only untouchable is Gritty.

 

[Happyhary9]

Scouting isn't great, that's bs. We have heard same things about numerous other prospects in the past. The dude hasn't accomplished anything in the nhl, skinny and short, and will be going against grown men , yet people are crowning him, my gosh

I said very good not great/perfect. But pretty damn good especially with top type guys. And no it hasn't been numerous prospects that are talked about like Bedard. There has been two maybe three prospects rated in the same teir as Bedard in the last 20 years. Crosby and McDavid and OV was right up there as well. The last prospect I can think of that had generational (with real scouts not message board guys) around his name and was kinda a bust was Daigle, but must scouts had rolled that back way before the draft. Again show me all these prospects that were Bedard level? The skinny thing is so overplayed, he is young and will fill out he is 5'10". Again as a 15 year old kid he made top 18/19 year old kids look silly. Yet he is to skinny to play in the NHL? A little perspective for you at 15 McDavid was slightly above a ppg in the OHL. In his draft year McDavid scored 11 points at the WJC-20 in 7 games, Bedard 23 in 7. I just don’t think you truly understand how rare of a talent Bedard is, a handful of people have done the stuff that he has done ever in the history of Canada hockey.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

You might want to bookmark this when Sanderson starts winning Norris trophies. I don’t expect you to realize how unbelievably good he was as a rookie but he is very special.

So was/is Power. They could win one maybe but it's probably unlikely that either gets multiple. They aren't Dahlin.

McDavid, Makar, and maybe Hughes are the only reasonable answers.

No way I'd trade Dahlin for two of those players so I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

 

[Silky Johnson]

ELC vs. 10-15M. There is not one guy that wouldnt be traded for Bedard. Even McDavid. Bedard is the next McDavid and a helluva lt cheaper.

You are wrong. Only a handful of players have been as good as McDavid...ever.

Bedard is a very good prospect, maybe the best since McDavid, but the likelihood he is as good is very small.

One in the hand is worth two in the Bush.

 

[BlueSeal]

There's absolutely no chance Edmonton trades McDavid for Bedard 1 for 1. 0%.

If you want to argue that in a vacuum, some teams may choose to add Bedard on ELC vs McDavid at current AAV to their teams if given the choice - maybe. But from Edmonton's perspective, no way. They would not do that trade.

No, the Oilers would need to take cap back to make it work lol.

 

[Oddbob]

you forgot just joking emoji

No I didn't. Bedard currently has 0 Pts in the NHL and people are annointing him better than McDavid. Til he proves himself he could easily bust or be underwhelming.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I do see your point, but I believe we have the right pieces in place, and we have so much talent and play makers in the org that I would be devastated if we gave it all away for one guy.

Unless that was McDavid, and this is no McDavid.

He will be in a year or so.

Bedard will be a 19 year old stud competing for major trophies.

Crosby and McDavid won a hart in year two. Bedard is in that same group.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Would suck to lose Seider but ya I’d trade him for Bedard without a second thought. The only answer to this is mcdavid

 

[Hockeyholic]

Larkin and Seider.

Just to be clear, you believe Detroit would not trade both of these guys for Bedard.

And/ Or wouldn't trade either for Bedard?

 

[KevinRedkey]

Stutzle or Sanderson for Bedard?

I might say no if it was both of them combined?

Am I out to lunch on that?

 

[Hockeyholic]

I wouldn't trade Pasta ... sure thing vs the unknown ... chances are he'll be great but nobody knows how this will play out.... nobody is a superstar til they prove it

I'm guessing he would be on the first plane out of Boston if Bedard is offered.

Pastrnak scores and does nothing else. He doesn't play defense. Isn't physical. Won't be battling in corners.

 

[Oddbob]

Just to be clear, you believe Detroit would not trade both of these guys for Bedard.

And/ Or wouldn't trade either for Bedard?

Both. If teams were making these kind of offers, the Hawks are for sure dealing the guy. I mean why not, they can get Auston Matthews++ for him and he hasn't even played. I am not saying Bedard isn't going to be great, but people are acting like he is a guaranteed 80+ pt player next season or ever. I hate the over-hype before the guy plays. Plenty of guys bust and plenty more still will no matter how good scouting is or gets. Furthermore he could just be underwhelming 60 pt career player, which is still good but not for the hype he gets. Otherwise, how come guys like Filip Zadina aren't the 40-30 guys like projected? I mean scouting is so good players never miss now, right? How come Yakupov sucked, I mean scouting was very good at this point?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Both. If teams were making these kind of offers, the Hawks are for sure dealing the guy. I mean why not, they can get Auston Matthews++ for him and he hasn't even played. I am not saying Bedard isn't going to be great, but people are acting like he is a guaranteed 80+ pt player next season or ever. I hate the over-hype before the guy plays. Plenty of guys bust and plenty more still will no matter how good scouting is or gets. Furthermore he could just be underwhelming 60 pt career player, which is still good but not for the hype he gets. Otherwise, how come guys like Filip Zadina aren't the 40-30 guys like projected? I mean scouting is so good players never miss now, right? How come Yakupov sucked, I mean scouting was very good at this point?

That makes sense.

I just thought I was hallucinating and saw Larkin wouldn't be traded for Bedard straight up.

 

[Oddbob]

I'm guessing he would be on the first plane out of Boston if Bedard is offered.

Pastrnak scores and does nothing else. He doesn't play defense. Isn't physical. Won't be battling in corners.

Bedard is definitely not physical either though. He is small, so weird to run down Pasta for this, and I haven't heard anything great about Bedard other than his offence.

 

[Stubu]

Many. The ones who wouldn't, based on a quick hunch:

- Tampa (losing Hedman + Vasilevskiy ends their contention then and there, which they wouldn't accept.)
- Edmonton (need I say anything?)
- Dallas (you might get a replacement for Hintz in Bedard, but good luck finding another Miro.)
- Toronto (as awkward as the situation there is, losing both Matthews and Marner would be devastating.)
- Florida (the foundation is set already in Barkov and Tkachuk. No need to mess with it.)
- Buffalo (Thompson + Dahlin is nowhere near elite level, but how much better would it really get with Bedard?)
- Pittsburgh (they would never... they should, but they wouldn't.)
- New Jersey (if Bedard turned out to be a Hughes, it would already be a sizable win. Losing Hischier wouldn't be worth the bother.)
- Carolina? (if Slavin and Aho had longer deals in place, this wouldn't be a debate, but I think they'd at least consider it as of now.)
- Colorado? (call me an idiot, but if they got to keep Rantanen, I think they'd be able to weather the storm. Between Toews, Girard and Byram, they should be just fine without Makar.)
- Rangers? (Fox + Shesty would be an absolutely brutal loss. Not sure about this one, really.)

Toronto could just call Tavares and Rielly their best two assets and grudgingly do it

 

[TBF1972]

ELC vs. 10-15M. There is not one guy that wouldnt be traded for Bedard. Even McDavid. Bedard is the next McDavid and a helluva lt cheaper.

there is no guarantee, he will be as good as mcdavid in the nhl regardless if he was better than mcdavid at a certain age. development isn't linear and lack of health can always get in the way.

for a team not contending bedard is great bet. for teams with a realistic chance at the cup the next two three years changing their one of their top players for bedard is a risk.

 

[CaptainScrewy]

Panther fan here. I'll give you 3 guesses who we ALL pick.