Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

[Statto]

That's makes sense, I'm sorry if my presence came as a threat or even as me saying that LA would pick Stutzle because it really wasn't the case.

I love Stutzle so for me it was about understanding you guys not really seeming up for it.

Btw, I don’t see your presence as anything other than a different perspective to the debate. We’ve been arguing on this to the point of going around in circles, so it been a welcome change for me. You’re completely wrong though

 

[Statto]

Tim Stutzle at 17

2018-19

Jungadler Mannheim U20

DNL U20

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Leon Draisaitl at 17

2011-12

Jungadler Mannheim U18

DNL

35

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56

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Drai had 50 goals 2 seasons ago and 43 this past one in 71 games...he had an outside shot at 50 again, with 7 in his final 11 games that were cancelled.
Stutzle's numbers in the same leauge and age as Leon - he destroyed them. Leon went to Prnice Albert the following year and had 21 goals in 64 games.

This whole Stutzle doesn't put the puck in the net or will not have high offensive output, is ludicrous. Personally, I think 3 years from now, it will be
more who is superior, Stutzle or Lafreniere?

The only thing that Byfield has over Stutzle, is size, being 7 months younger (not HUGE) and a better shot.
What Stutzle has over Byfield, is way better edgework (which itself does not lead to better numbers, but sure makes for being elusive and evasion)
superior vision, superior playmaking, a little more intensity, overall better skating, runs a powerplay at a high level and will run his teams' PP in 2 years
from now...I think Byfield will be more a key component on a PP, while Stutzle will run his team's PP. There is a higher level of precision, execution
and 6th sense he has, over Byfield. As far as Byfield's size, he's not physical and not mean. He will absolutely get stronger and better at everything; BUT, so will Stutzle.
It's like the tiger stripes on a kitty cat. Byfield is not a kitty cat, but he's not a tiger either. Will he be demolishing opponents in 3 years?
Maybe. That's awesome, but usually does not factor in a games outcome. Size is great and is a factor for sure. Byfield is an elite prospect for certain.
I just think Stutzle is the better player now and in the future.

This is a good video of highlights of Stutzle and less viewed...he has no problems putting pucks in nets. I've watched every Byfield video
I could find too and wil not put him down at all, in any way. I will be happy with either being King.

You cannot think that European League scoring is a good indicator. The ability range, particularly in goal is huge. The minimum standard in the CHL is decent and the ability range between the best and the worst players in the league is small. In the weaker European hockey countries of which Germany is one the ability range is huge. If you can skate like Stützle you will score, end of story. It does little to indicate how well his shot will translate, although it doesn’t mean it won’t.

His shot % and goal total in the DEL indicates a risk, there’s no getting away from that. The D is poor and so is the goaltending, so it represents a worry for me. He may well be fine and of course he will improve but him getting to even an average NHL shot is no slam dunk. I think he will get there but it needs acknowledgement as a risk.

I agree with most of what you say about both players having the room to grow and improve, they will and they will get plenty of development focus I’m sure. However, I disagree with your comments on Byfield being physical. It’s an area he stepped up on after the WJC, he had already started using his body to protect the puck well (it was an issue in 18/19) and since the WJC had consistently started to add snarl to his game. It’s something based on older scouting reports and since then most of the talk has been about the WJC itself. I’ve read that from a couple of different sources (I cant find right now fwiw) and it was a point his junior coaches strongly made on ‘All the Kings Men’ podcast recently (August 3rd).

You are right though, in many ways we can’t miss it’s just about who has the higher ceiling.

 

[SENATOR]

A lot of fans here like Stutzle and wouldn't have any qualms with the Kings selecting him. We're also annoyed by these Sens fans coming in who think they know more than we do on who the Kings are selecting, when nobody knows who they're leaning towards.

Stützle can play right away in NHL and be an instant contributor as a top six forward. Byfield will go to junior hockey and then to AHL. He is probably 1-2 years away from the NHL roster spot. Stützle makes perfect sense for LA scouts. But I still think LA will never pass on Byfield, it would be a crime.

 

[Lt Dan]

Stützle can play right away in NHL and be an instant contributor as a top six forward. Byfield will go to junior hockey and then to AHL. He is probably 1-2 years away from the NHL roster spot. Stützle makes perfect sense for LA scouts. But I still think LA will never pass on Byfield, it would be a crime.

Because I am not the Master DeBater

We're annoyed by Sens fans coming in who think they know more than we do

 

[Telos]

I doubt ready time is going to be a factor with the Kings' decision. They aren't looking to win the cup in a season or two.

 

[SENATOR]

Because I am not the Master DeBater

We are untitled) Hockey was born here in the Ottawa valley, along the Ottawa river. You are welcome to visit city of Renfrew and its NHL museum, where NHA/NHL were born just 50 miles from Canadian tire center, where Senators are playing.

 

[Lt Dan]

We are untitled) Hockey was born here in the Ottawa valley, along the Ottawa river. You are welcome to visit city of Renfrew and its NHL museum, where NHA/NHL were born just 50 miles from Canadian tire center, where Senators are playing.

Seriously, Nobody cares bro

 

[cyclones22]

You can come to my home in Ontario, California and look at my 2 replica Stanley Cups if you'd like. Seems like an even exchange.

 

[Lt Dan]

You can come to my home in Ontario, California and look at my 2 replica Stanley Cups if you'd like. Seems like an even exchange.

Haha Well played!

 

[Schrute farms]

I love how some people claim how X 18yr old draft player "can play right away in NHL and be an instant contributor as a top six forward" -- as if that's such a common occurrence. Even Laf will likely struggle and he's older & by far the most NHL ready. My guess is the only thing a team is winning with Stutzle playing top 6 day 1 is next year's draft lottery.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We are untitled) Hockey was born here in the Ottawa valley, along the Ottawa river. You are welcome to visit city of Renfrew and its NHL museum, where NHA/NHL were born just 50 miles from Canadian tire center, where Senators are playing.

Gonna leave this post up for posterity so the good Sens fans who came over for discussion can see what kind of dumb bullshit some of the other more obnoxious and ignorant Sens fans try to rub our noses in.

 

[KINGS17]

Stützle can play right away in NHL and be an instant contributor as a top six forward. Byfield will go to junior hockey and then to AHL. He is probably 1-2 years away from the NHL roster spot. Stützle makes perfect sense for LA scouts. But I still think LA will never pass on Byfield, it would be a crime.

We don't care when Byfield makes it to the NHL. We care about his potential ceiling as a dominant 1C.

 

[tbrown33]

what I like about Byfield is he goes to the f***ing net

I like Stützle’s game too, really fun to watch, I just like Byfield’s more.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Stutzle's shot accurate but slow? What if he sacraficed a click of accuracy for speed. What if he used his slap shot more to change up the speed and angle, thus making the goalie and D play him different.

Can he just NOT shoot with speed or is it that he doesn't use that in his arsenal?

 

[Legionnaire]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Stutzle's shot accurate but slow? What if he sacraficed a click of accuracy for speed. What if he used his slap shot more to change up the speed and angle, thus making the goalie and D play him different.

Can he just NOT shoot with speed or is it that he doesn't use that in his arsenal?

Who takes slapshots with modern sticks besides D men?

 

[Fishhead]

Who takes slapshots with modern sticks besides D men?

I'm pretty sure Ovie scores more on slap shots than he does any other shot type. Probably an exception, but his one timer is one of the dirtiest I've ever seen.

 

[Statto]

I love how some people claim how X 18yr old draft player "can play right away in NHL and be an instant contributor as a top six forward" -- as if that's such a common occurrence. Even Laf will likely struggle and he's older & by far the most NHL ready. My guess is the only thing a team is winning with Stutzle playing top 6 day 1 is next year's draft lottery.

I don’t think he can play in the NHL next year as the draft is after the deadline for the DEL transfer agreement. Stützle is contracted for next year and therefore won’t be able to play... I forget where I read it so I’m not 100% certain how accurate that is.

 

[Statto]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Stutzle's shot accurate but slow? What if he sacraficed a click of accuracy for speed. What if he used his slap shot more to change up the speed and angle, thus making the goalie and D play him different.

Can he just NOT shoot with speed or is it that he doesn't use that in his arsenal?

His shot lacks power and snap, it’s not the shot type that’s the issue. It’s a technical issue that is hopefully fixable. Shot power is mostly technique it’s not about him getting ‘stronger’ as I keep seeing people talk about.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I doubt ready time is going to be a factor with the Kings' decision. They aren't looking to win the cup in a season or two.

We can only hope that's the case, now if whichever player it is, comes to camp (if Stützle is able to) and dominates (and obviously Byfield will have the opportunity of the 9 games), then they've earned it.

 

[kilowatt]

His shot lacks power and snap, it’s not the shot type that’s the issue. It’s a technical issue that is hopefully fixable. Shot power is mostly technique it’s not about him getting ‘stronger’ as I keep seeing people talk about.

Yeah, it’s mostly technique and stick flex. Being stronger certainly doesn’t equate to a harder wrist/snapshot.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Gonna leave this post up for posterity so the good Sens fans who came over for discussion can see what kind of dumb bullshit some of the other more obnoxious and ignorant Sens fans try to rub our noses in.

Please train him before you send him back

 

[funky]

I am sure if we draft Stützle one of two things happens.

Number one – Kaliyev of shows him how to shoot properly.

Number two-Stützle never fixes his shot but with his playmaking ability he is placed on a line centering Frk and Kaliyev. NHL goalies face 100mph lazers from the hash marks....ha ha

 

[Statto]

And here's Byfield as a 16-year-old against considerably better competition than the German juniors.

I forgot to add earlier that the DEL allow each team to sign 12 import players and dress 10. The junior leagues in Germany are not good enough to provide enough players for their own top division, so they rely on imported Mercs. In the SEL it’s 2 non EU players as a comparison.

The comparative strength at a junior level puts the Swedish juniors miles ahead of Germany. That’s why a German being a first round pick is such a huge story there. EU rules make rules restricting players from other member states difficult if not impossible, so other EU national players are not imports in Germany either.

It makes it very difficult to judge any of the German players on how they do in junior hockey. I’m not picking on Germany as they are miles head of the UK, we’d love to be that good.

 

[cyclones22]

As a comparison, think of an MLS club producing a world class talent in soccer. Even though it has happened to varying degrees, there's still a large amount of skepticism that the talented player will actually develop into a starter on a UCL level club. Alphonso Davies, who ironically is Canadian, plays for Bayern and is great. Tyler Adams plays big minutes for Leipzig, when healthy. Both of them were MLS academy players who graduated to their big clubs and were promptly snatched up by German clubs. Just because there are some success stories of MLS players being able to cut their teeth in top 5 leagues, it doesn't mean that MLS isn't low quality, because it is and it might be a top 20 league worldwide if we're being generous.

The point of the comparison is the DEL and its junior league are not "good" and skepticism is well warranted. Doesn't mean that Stutzle won't turn out like Draisiatl (I wish!), just that using his numbers in those leagues as some kind of proof that he projects to score goals against NHL players is still eyebrow raising. The CHL has a long history of developing and producing NHL players as hockey is bred into the culture of Canadian youth. In soccer, would you compare the competition in German youth leagues to USA (Canadian would be even more laughable) youth leagues? Hell no. Same concept. Germany is an emerging hockey nation, but the average 15 year old German hockey player is going to be miles below the average Canadian of the same age. Anyway, this is the type of post you type when you're stuck at home and bored in the middle of a pandemic.

Edit: To be clear, if the Kings draft Stutzle, I'll be disappointed for a few minutes, but I trust Yannetti and the scouts and will be all in on him from that point on. Very similar when Tampa won the lottery in 2008. I was bummed for about 5 minutes after the lottery about losing out on potentially drafting a premier sniper but was all aboard the Drew Doughty train after that and never looked back once I saw Drew on the ice in a Kings uniform. You knew he was the goods immediately.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Tim Stutzle at 17

2018-19

Jungadler Mannheim U20

DNL U20

21

23

32

55

30

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Playoffs

5

4

7

11

4

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Leon Draisaitl at 17

2011-12

Jungadler Mannheim U18

DNL

35

21

35

56

39

29

|

Playoffs

8

6

6

12

2

7

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Drai had 50 goals 2 seasons ago and 43 this past one in 71 games...he had an outside shot at 50 again, with 7 in his final 11 games that were cancelled.
Stutzle's numbers in the same leauge and age as Leon - he destroyed them. Leon went to Prnice Albert the following year and had 21 goals in 64 games.

This whole Stutzle doesn't put the puck in the net or will not have high offensive output, is ludicrous. Personally, I think 3 years from now, it will be
more who is superior, Stutzle or Lafreniere?

The only thing that Byfield has over Stutzle, is size, being 7 months younger (not HUGE) and a better shot.
What Stutzle has over Byfield, is way better edgework (which itself does not lead to better numbers, but sure makes for being elusive and evasion)
superior vision, superior playmaking, a little more intensity, overall better skating, runs a powerplay at a high level and will run his teams' PP in 2 years
from now...I think Byfield will be more a key component on a PP, while Stutzle will run his team's PP. There is a higher level of precision, execution
and 6th sense he has, over Byfield. As far as Byfield's size, he's not physical and not mean. He will absolutely get stronger and better at everything; BUT, so will Stutzle.
It's like the tiger stripes on a kitty cat. Byfield is not a kitty cat, but he's not a tiger either. Will he be demolishing opponents in 3 years?
Maybe. That's awesome, but usually does not factor in a games outcome. Size is great and is a factor for sure. Byfield is an elite prospect for certain.
I just think Stutzle is the better player now and in the future.

This is a good video of highlights of Stutzle and less viewed...he has no problems putting pucks in nets. I've watched every Byfield video
I could find too and wil not put him down at all, in any way. I will be happy with either being King.

I don’t think Draisaitl was 17 when he was playing in Germany, he played 2 years in PA before being drafted. That’s his 16 year old season your looking at.