Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question
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Ziggy Stardust
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Where does it state that it's the head scouts and guys in charge? All I see here is "10 NHL scouts." Are you guys adding superlatives to what Bob says now?
"Ten out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed by TSN ranked Lafreniere first overall, as was the case when he was No. 1 on TSN’s preseason list in September and No. 1 on TSN’s mid-season list in January."
Bob McKenzie's Final Ranking: Lafreniere the surest thing in most uncertain draft year - TSN.ca
Throughout the entire article, he just refers to them as NHL scouts. No "chief of scouting" or "head scout." Sounds like you guys are assuming things and stretching your imaginations.
BondraTime
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He’s said it multiple times on his podcast, and throughout the years. It’s talked about quite a bit in the latest McKenzie ranking thread on the prospects forum I believe.
Not assuming or stretching anything, just someone who has followed his work for a long time...
Can you point me to where he has said that? Because I have followed Bob Mackenzie and his content for years and I have never heard anything other than it is from 10 NHL scouts.
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It's ten scouts from ten different teams. As a Rangers fan, we KNOW that we're one of those teams, and have been for awhile, so Bob's rankings usually tell us a lot, personally. Again, that's just because we know with almost certainty that he polls one of our scouts every year, and I have no idea if LA is another one of those teams.
BondraTime
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Not sure what to tell you, I don’t have the episodes of Bobcast memorized. It’s been talked about elsewhere, I’ve seen it many times, and it was discussed at length in one of his Ranking threads. He’s talking with people (Head scouts, those in charge of draft boards) about their teams draft boards, not a single scout.
You don’t want to believe me, not a problem. It makes little difference regardless.
Each NHL team employs about 15-20 scouts. So talking to 10 scouts from around the league will give you good insight, but it is very very different from "getting 10 teams draft boards"
Lt Dan
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You will enjoy Stutzle. Bob is the most respected insider in the business, always has been. No disrespect to local Kings reporters, but Bobby Mac is the best, plain and simple. Nothing is for sure obviously but definitely looking like Stutzle to the Kings is very likely.
Sens Vader
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From my understanding it was 10 scouts representing 10 different teams. Not a big difference to the point I'm trying to make - It further points to how well connected he is as there seems to be a mandate to bash his opinion/reputation on here because people didn't like what he said.
Ziggy Stardust
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And five of those scouts have Byfield at two. Did Bob McKenzie state that according to scouts, the Kings are selecting Stutzle?
Sens Vader
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Nothing is set in stone, the draft is months away.
Mark Edward's and Bob Mackenzie have both said they think LA is leaning towards Stutzle. Take that as you will.
Sens Vader
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You are not, but many are.
And I dont think I made a big exaggeration, you dont know what the lists are either - as youre suggesting the scouts list is vastly different than the teams list which is an exaggeration as well.
I've stated changes can be made to them, nobody thinks his list is exactly how its gonna go down - just that it gives him some inside information that I think is valuable. So when he gives his opinion it hold weight and worth a discussion.
Ziggy Stardust
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It's opinions, I take it as that. Like you said, nothing set in stone. And what has Mark Edwards said? Has anyone stated as a matter of fact that this is based on inside information and insider knowledge? Because I'm not seeing that.
Sens Vader
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Mark Edward's said the scouts that he has connections with believe LA is leaning towards Stutzle. Mentioned it on HF.
But exactly, I get that there is cheeky inside info as well (like Bokk saying "LA bound"). I dont put much emphasis on that stuff - but Bob and Mark are guys that I'll listen too.
Nobody really knows. Hell teams can even leak false info - like last year Ottawa posted pictures of them interview Kotka because they didn't want MTL to trade down so they can take Tkachuk.
All info comes with a grain of salt. I just personally dont like people bashing a reporter because they dont like what he suggests
An organization has say 18 Scouts (avg # of scouts). Those scouts all have different opinions. The NHL team then takes all of their individual input and takes into account organizational needs and strategy, and creates their draft board. Therefore, each individual scouts opinions is actually only a small part of the organizations final draft rankings. So yes, in my opinion, the way that you characterized it was a big exaggeration.
Sens Vader
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Well then I agree to disagree, as the list could very well be head scouts or a list that is fairly consistent with their final board. Imo, suggesting the list Bob's receive are vastly different then a teams final board is therefore an equivalent exaggeration.
In my opinion, Bob creates a very valuable list and provides incredible insights into the draft.
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I think Bob is the most connected guy in the league as far as pundits go. That said, it's rare that TSN gets a Kings pick correctly in any of their mocks or projections. The last one I remember was Doughty, and that was a no-brainer where nearly everyone knew LA was targeting him.
Ziggy Stardust
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I actually love what Bob does, he's the best in the business, but he's just sharing his thoughts. He never stated, "according to scouts or people I've spoken to," which he would have flat out said if that was the case.
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Yeah he said it was just his opinion, although obviously his "opinion" is well connected.
We are still so far from the draft and I've read LA had more so started focusing on the 2nd ova after the lottery.
It's fun and stressful as a fan because you just wanna know who the hell you're team is picking, so jumping on any bit of information that suggests a certain player is addicting lol
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Things i think i believe:
- the LA Kings scouts and organization will ultimately pick the best player (at draft time) at #2OA -- whomever that be;
- I'll be stoked draft day with the pick at #2OA -- as long as it's one of Byfield, Stutzle or Laf (not happening);
- Blake and crew have not decided who they are picking at #2 yet (nor should they imo);
- If a scout (head or not) is giving away some of their 100% true draft boards to a respected writer, then that scout will have a short career with said organization;
- anyone stating a team is picking X player besides NYR is speculating at this point in time (probably on draft day too);
- teams and their scouts will float many misinformation data to writers/etc. for their own gain up until draft pick time -- so take any of this information by writers with a grain of salt (who predicted the CHI, LAK & DET picks last year?);
- I slightly prefer Byfield right now due to age and size -- but I have zero idea who is the best guy to pick and I trust the Kings scouts over my stupid uneducated opinion;
- If the Kings pick Stutzle, it's solely because they think he's the BPA and nothing to do with anything else.
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