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Matthews contract choice

  • $12.8M x 3 years

  • $13.8M x 5 years

  • $16.7M x 8 years

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Dreakmur said:
Huberdeau was the 3rd highest scoring player in the league for several years before that contract. Ahead of Marner and Matthews.
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People are talking about the Huberdeau contract with all kinds of hindsight.

The years leading up to it he was damned good and Huberdeau was a pending UFA, Calgary had a hard time keeping guys and he just traded Tkachuk.

Huberdeau was gonna pull 10-11M easily as a UFA, like you said, better than Marner, Matthews and Nylander.
 
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Just give him what he wants.

The team can't afford to lose Matthews. If anyone thinks superstar William Nylander deserves anywhere near the same as Matthews, think again. Matthews is the best player the Leafs have had in over a lifetime.

There shouldn't even be anything to negotiate.

Treliving should just hand Matthews a blank contract with his signature at the bottom. Matthews writes down a number with six zeroes after it. Multiply it by as many years up to eight as Matthews wants and everyone goes home happy.

Except Nylander if he took a pay cut and Matthews doesn't.
 
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Puckstuff said:
Matthews played at a Tage Thompson level last season, who makes 7.14 for a very long time. And I’m not sure the difference between them is huge. Matthews at 16.7 which would be more than double would be horrendous.
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The big difference; Buffalo is trying to build a contender.
 
None of the choices offered…….way to much money

TMLBlueandWhite said:
Just give him what he wants.

The team can't afford to lose Matthews. If anyone thinks superstar William Nylander deserves anywhere near the same as Matthews, think again. Matthews is the best player the Leafs have had in over a lifetime.

There shouldn't even be anything to negotiate.

Treliving should just hand Matthews a blank contract with his signature at the bottom. Matthews writes down a number with six zeroes after it. Multiply it by as many years up to eight as Matthews wants and everyone goes home happy.

Except Nylander if he took a pay cut and Matthews doesn't.
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Matthews goes home happy but the Leafs will be screwed for 8 years
 
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If it's over 15 million I would puke. Close to 17 and i don't even know what I would do.
 
I so sick of Matthews and Marner holding the Leafs ransom.

What other players f***ed their team over big time after their entry level contracts expired?

If I'm Brad, I offer exactly the cap hit % that Mackinnon got. 15.27% and I'll even throw in the expected 4 million increase for next years cap limit.

So with the limit expected to go up 4M to this years 83.5M that 15.27% of 87.5M =13,361,250 all front loaded and max signing bonus for the first 5 years.. AND 8 years with full NMC for the 1st 5 years and a modified NTC for the last 3...he gives a list of 10 teams HE WILL NOT ACCEPT A TRADE TO.

If he refuses tell him and his asshole agent to f*** off and play where he wants after the year is over.

Absolutely ridiculous how our team is treated by player agents and players.

As for Marner, something similar at a lesser %.

If we continue to give players want they want with no or little push back, they'll continue to screw us, and others will want more as well.
 
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New User Name said:
I so sick of Matthews and Marner holding the Leafs ransom.

What other players f***ed their team over big time after their entry level contracts expired?

If I'm Brad, I offer exactly the cap hit % that Mackinnon got. 15.27% and I'll even throw in the expected 4 million increase for next years cap limit.

So with the limit expected to go up 4M to this years 83.5M that 15.27% of 87.5M =13,361,250 all front loaded and max signing bonus for the first 5 years.. AND 8 years with full NMC for the 1st 5 years and a modified NTC for the last 3...he gives a list of 10 teams HE WILL NOT ACCEPT A TRADE TO.

If he refuses tell him and his asshole agent to f*** off and play where he wants after the year is over.

Absolutely ridiculous how our team is treated by player agents and players.

As for Marner, something similar at a lesser %.

If we continue to give players want they want with no or little push back, they'll continue to screw us, and others will want more as well.
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And if he also refuses a sign and trade, you sit him in the press box at least for every home game.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Just give him what he wants.

The team can't afford to lose Matthews. If anyone thinks superstar William Nylander deserves anywhere near the same as Matthews, think again. Matthews is the best player the Leafs have had in over a lifetime.

There shouldn't even be anything to negotiate.

Treliving should just hand Matthews a blank contract with his signature at the bottom. Matthews writes down a number with six zeroes after it. Multiply it by as many years up to eight as Matthews wants and everyone goes home happy.

Except Nylander if he took a pay cut and Matthews doesn't.
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Hell no.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Also this

I just pass.

It's a given a 1C is a prerequisite to do anything in the NHL but at the same time, if you f*** up your cap structure this much, you're not winning anything doing that either.
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THANK YOU

I cannot believe all the crap about paying this man his money. If this is what he wants, move on from this aborted failure of a core and be done with it. Rip the bandaid off and get to work making something new, even if it's unknown and painful. Rather that than this status quo cowardly bullshit.

Can't stand these guys anymore. It's the Muskoka 5 except with a more prohibitive monetary environment and 5 times more cuck. They can all go to hell.
WTFMAN99 said:
I'd rather he just say he doesn't want to play in Toronto.

Show me another team that would pay 16.7M, seriously. Show me.
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No team with actual Cup aspirations would sign that contract. not one.
 
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Hopefully it doesn't drag on forever, the future of the team really weighs on how much Matthews truly wants to win. The bigger discount he takes, the bigger chance we can keep Nylander and keep his cap hit down.

I would like Matthews to sign 4 year 50 million (12.5 hit). I think that's realistic, ideally Id like 4 year 44 million but I know he won't be that generous. If we win in those 4 years we'll give him a blank cheque, but you gotta earn that which unfortunately is not something he needed 1st negotiation.
 
Racer88 said:
Why, so far a team has won the cup without him every year. The Team with him has only 1 round win to their name since he has been in the league
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Can't win with him, can't win without him.

I made a similar point about Marner recently. The difference being that Matthews is a 1C. Marner is a shitty winger.

I've always felt that a 1C is the most important position on a team.

Maybe a 1D is more important. That's debatable. What's not debatable is the fact they won't win without a proper 1C.

It took a very long time between Sundin and Matthews.

I remember the years of having Bozak being the teams top centre. If they lose Matthews to free agency without a replacement, it will be at least another decade of darkness. Tavares is never gonna lead this team anywhere.

There is literally no understating the desperation of the situation for the Leafs right now.

They're screwed. And I mean screwed. Just for the fact Matthews didn't sign July 1st should have cost Shanahan his job already.

If Matthews doesn't re-sign it could be another lifetime before a player of his caliber comes along.
 
He has a full NMC, so it may be a bit of a moot point, but there should be a "None of the above - explore the trade market" option.

I know it's complete taboo to suggest trading him, but in a league where MacKinnon just signed for 8 X 12.6M, Tkachuk just signed for 8 X 9.5M, Pastrnak just signed for 8 X 11.25M, Fox/Makar recently signed for under 10M (granted as RFAs, but based on Matthews last contract, we obviously didn't bother distinguishing between RFA vs UFA contracts at that point), etc, I just don't know if I could accept any of these options.

The cap is going up, sure, but options A & B overlap entirely with the MacKinnon, Pastrnak, and Tkachuk contracts (+ those contracts actually last a bit longer), so there are literally zero years in a higher cap world that would only be apply the Matthews. The 8 year contract overlaps with those contracts for 7/8 years, so there's no justification for such a massive jump in pay.

It boils down to a principle thing. I don't expect players to take discounts, but if you're going to play for the Leafs, where you can get paid in massive signing bonuses, where the support staff and organizational support of the players is second to none, where you can make a ton of extra $$ on the side in endorsements, where you get to live in one of the more interesting cities in the league, etc, then you should at minimum be willing to sign in line with what similar players around the league sign for (MacKinnon being the best comparable). If Matthews signed 8 X 12.7-13M, nobody would be saying he took a "discount", yet here we are with 15M+ being thrown around for his 8 year deal.

We overpaid last time, which cascaded to overpaying Marner as well, and it massively hamstrung is and we only made it past the first round once. If you want a culture of buy in from everybody to doing everything you can to win a championship, having your top stars squeeze every last penny to get paid well above market value, in a hard cap system where that directly takes $$ out of teammates pockets, isn't the way to build that culture.
 
TheGreenTBer said:
THANK YOU

I cannot believe all the crap about paying this man his money. If this is what he wants, move on from this aborted failure of a core and be done with it. Rip the bandaid off and get to work making something new, even if it's unknown and painful. Rather that than this status quo cowardly bullshit.

Can't stand these guys anymore. It's the Muskoka 5 except with a more prohibitive monetary environment and 5 times more cuck. They can all go to hell.

No team with actual Cup aspirations would sign that contract. not one.
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yeah, if people on here remember the old muskoka 5, it’s kinda the same thing again here.
getting tired of our team being the all-you -can-eat buffet for players who haven’t won sh*t.
 
No player should get 8 yr contract. I prefer 3, with trade options over last 6 months.
if we are no closer to Stanley by then, we move on.
that gives Mr. Arizona time to grow a pair, love the crest and show leadership.
I have my doubts he ever will.
 
Still waiting for someone to explain to me why Matthews is worth north of $13M when McKinnon signed for under that FOR 8 YEARS!!

It's utter insanity to keep backing up the Brinks truck and not get term for a guy who has yet to show he cares, and is willing to go to war in the playoffs.
 
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Niagara Bill said:
No player should get 8 yr contract. I prefer 3, with trade options over last 6 months.
if we are no closer to Stanley by then, we move on.
that gives Mr. Arizona time to grow a pair, love the crest and show leadership.
I have my doubts he ever will.
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I’d already give Bedard one and we are 3 years away. Lol
 
I'd take B with a limited no trade clause, ten teams he doesn't want to go to. I would not give out no, no full movement clauses. That way come year 3 if it's not working out you move him, if not make him a lifetime Leaf.

ULF_55 said:
Wrap him up ... in bubble wrap.
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You think he is that fragile? He does engage physically.
 
New User Name said:
I so sick of Matthews and Marner holding the Leafs ransom.

What other players f***ed their team over big time after their entry level contracts expired?

If I'm Brad, I offer exactly the cap hit % that Mackinnon got. 15.27% and I'll even throw in the expected 4 million increase for next years cap limit.

So with the limit expected to go up 4M to this years 83.5M that 15.27% of 87.5M =13,361,250 all front loaded and max signing bonus for the first 5 years.. AND 8 years with full NMC for the 1st 5 years and a modified NTC for the last 3...he gives a list of 10 teams HE WILL NOT ACCEPT A TRADE TO.

If he refuses tell him and his asshole agent to f*** off and play where he wants after the year is over.

Absolutely ridiculous how our team is treated by player agents and players.

As for Marner, something similar at a lesser %.

If we continue to give players want they want with no or little push back, they'll continue to screw us, and others will want more as well.
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What, holding us for ransom? Just read the threads the majority are offering atrociously high overpayments. Lmao!
 
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