Speculation: Where does Ullmark go?

[WJCJ]

They don’t have a 1st, 2nd or 3rd but have scheduled a draft party. Which could be a very weird party.

It sure sounds like it could make Bruins fans a lot more interested in draft day

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Hes 31 yrs old....that looks bad 3 yrs from now.

In today's podcast EF said only 3 30× g returned a 1st going back 15 yrs or so

Msrstrom
Ryan Miller
One other goalie I'm forgetting

All were 1<= 2 yr left rentals

Darcy Kuemper was the third one.

 

[Dog]

Ullmark for 25th OA and Chychrun?

I think Chychrun straight up be equal.

 

[I am Bettman]

I think Chychrun straight up be equal.

I don’t think so, Chychrun had a rough year, is injury prone, and will be looking for a payday. Chychrun plus pick 25 is probably equal value but I would prefer a single, better asset instead of two nickels for a dime.

 

[ottawagm]

Ullmark for 25th OA and Chychrun?

One or the other as the main piece, not both.

 

[Forge]

I don’t think so, Chychrun had a rough year, is injury prone, and will be looking for a payday. Chychrun plus pick 25 is probably equal value but I would prefer a single, better asset instead of two nickels for a dime.

I think that is a really difficult ask, tbh.

 

[h2]

I don’t think so, Chychrun had a rough year, is injury prone, and will be looking for a payday. Chychrun plus pick 25 is probably equal value but I would prefer a single, better asset instead of two nickels for a dime.

History doesn't agree with your opinion. That's substantially more than what goalies typically get traded for.

 

[SPV]

I think the prospect and 1st makes more sense than Chychrun to me.

 

[BLONG7]

No

What do the Sens offer the Bruins?

 

[I am Bettman]

History doesn't agree with your opinion. That's substantially more than what goalies typically get traded for.

Everybody says that but a 4 years older and much worse Markstrom just got a late first and a third pair D.

 

[h2]

Everybody says that but a 4 years older and much worse Markstrom just got a late first and a third pair D.

Considering Calgary is paying a good chunk of Markstrom's salary next season, the return was fair. Nothing outrageous about that trade at all.

 

[I am Bettman]

Considering Calgary is paying a good chunk of Markstrom's salary next season, the return was fair. Nothing outrageous about that trade at all.

Of course there isn’t anything outrageous about that deal. I am simply saying that Ullmark is much more valuable than Markstrom due to age and performance.

 

[h2]

Of course there isn’t anything outrageous about that deal. I am simply saying that Ullmark is much more valuable than Markstrom due to age and performance.

I don't disagree, but there's also a premium on the Markstrom price due to salary retention as mentioned previously. You need to take that into account when you jump from a 1st + a young 3rd pairing D that was paid for Markstrom to your idea of a 1st + Chychrun for Ullmark.

I think Ullmark will get a slightly better return overall vs Markstrom, but not to the degree you're talking about.

 

[SpezDispenser]

What do the Sens offer the Bruins?

25th and something I assume. Or Chychrun

 

[wintersej]

I don't disagree, but there's also a premium on the Markstrom price due to salary retention as mentioned previously. You need to take that into account when you jump from a 1st + a young 3rd pairing D that was paid for Markstrom to your idea of a 1st + Chychrun for Ullmark.

I think Ullmark will get a slightly better return overall vs Markstrom, but not to the degree you're talking about.

Chychrun is a UFA with a preferred set of teams he will reup with coming off a rough year. A late 1st in a shallow draft isn’t a crazy make up in value piece in the slightest.

 

[h2]

Chychrun is a UFA with a preferred set of teams he will reup with coming off a rough year. A late 1st in a shallow draft isn’t a crazy make up in value piece in the slightest.

You're downplaying what Chychrun's value is, he's also on a hell of a contract for the next year which contenders value. He's not worth what Ottawa paid last year, but I still think he has late 1st in value being conservative (no doubt he'd get that at a minimum at the trade deadline if he's kept). So yes, two assets worth 1sts is crazy make up according to historical precedent for trading goalies.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

You're downplaying what Chychrun's value is, he's also on a hell of a contract for the next year which contenders value. He's not worth what Ottawa paid last year, but I still think he has late 1st in value being conservative (no doubt he'd get that at a minimum at the trade deadline if he's kept). So yes, two assets worth 1sts is crazy make up according to historical precedent for trading goalies.

Markstrom was seemingly also far more flexible with his trade destination (and has 2yrs left, so whether he will sign an extension isnt a factor)

 

[KevinRedkey]

Chychrun + 39th is the absolute most I can see Ottawa paying, and I believe that is a slight overpay based on Markstrom and other comps. The only way I'd pay Chychrun + 25th is if they are taking on Korpisalo, which I doubt they would.

 

[h2]

Markstrom was seemingly also far more flexible with his trade destination (and has 2yrs left, so whether he will sign an extension isnt a factor)

Also valid.

 

[Cancuks]

Ullmark for Necas?

 

[bme44]

I just want the Ullmark situation to be resolved . He certainly has trade value we can debate how much, but the quicker it is resolved the sooner other move can be made

 

[wintersej]

You're downplaying what Chychrun's value is, he's also on a hell of a contract for the next year which contenders value. He's not worth what Ottawa paid last year, but I still think he has late 1st in value being conservative (no doubt he'd get that at a minimum at the trade deadline if he's kept). So yes, two assets worth 1sts is crazy make up according to historical precedent for trading goalies.

You're downplaying what Chychrun's value is, he's also on a hell of a contract for the next year which contenders value. He's not worth what Ottawa paid last year, but I still think he has late 1st in value being conservative (no doubt he'd get that at a minimum at the trade deadline if he's kept). So yes, two assets worth 1sts is crazy make up according to historical precedent for trading goalies.

I dunno man. Average goalies like Keumpfer, Markstrom, Jones, etc have gone for firsts in recent memory. Ullmark is elite and it’s a shallow draft. Bruins are likely going to have to take Forsberg back too.

 

[Micklebot]

I dunno man. Average goalies like Keumpfer, Markstrom, Jones, etc have gone for firsts in recent memory. Ullmark is elite and it’s a shallow draft. Bruins are likely going to have to take Forsberg back too.

When Kuemper went for a first, he had a .921 sv% over the prior 4 seasons mostly in Arz which was tied for 2nd in the league over that stretch, that's pretty similar to Ullmark over a similar time frame.

Kuemper is actually a pretty comparable trade imo, though there are some differences, he played on a poor team, so there wasn't the question of whether he was the product of the D in front of him, and unlike with Ullmark, it doesn't appear as though an extension was a consideration.

I like Ullmark more than Kuemper at that time, but Kuemper wasn't some average goalie when Colorado traded for him, he was getting votes for the Vezina while playing in Arz and on the all star team.

 

[Icelevel]

I don’t think so, Chychrun had a rough year, is injury prone, and will be looking for a payday. Chychrun plus pick 25 is probably equal value but I would prefer a single, better asset instead of two nickels for a dime.

Chychrun is 26 and will be a consistent 50 pt+ LD
Played all 82 last year. Got screwed around playing on his off side changing partners etc. still had 41 pts

Add a 4th if needed

 

[BruinsJoe]

Chychrun is 26 and will be a consistent 50 pt+ LD
Played all 82 last year. Got screwed around playing on his off side changing partners etc. still had 41 pts

Add a 4th if needed

If Chychrun become a Bs he s becoming the 2nd best D in this team no to say the best one, not far from the 73, better than Stallion on the PP can drive the PP, a elite slapshot