Speculation: Where does Ullmark go?

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I think a reliable goalie is key to maintaining a teams composure, and confidence. It's more important to me that a goalie can consistently give you a chance to win, rather than that he can steal games. My personal take is Ulmark fits the former mold, but maybe not the second to the degree that his numbers might suggest. I just wouldn't want to be the team that pays for the latter, and gets the former without the consistency

Ullmark in Boston has been consistently giving them a chance to win as well as stealing some games along the way.

But goalies just seem to excel in Boston. They’ve had a long run of goalies who are usually in the Vezina conversation going back 15+ years.

Did they just happen to draft/acquire top tier goalies multiple times over that stretch? Possibly. If so their amateur/pro goalie scouts deserve a huge raise.

I am curious to see how Ullmark performs when he leaves Boston

 

[Dallasman]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803950779549577522

Posted this yesterday.

 

[Kalus]

I'm sure whatever the return is, it will underwhelm. He's a great goalie, but goalies just dont seem to go for as much of a premium as everyone expects them to.

This is it exactly. I am a big Bruins fan, I want them to get a big return for him, but based on goaltender trade history, Ullmark’s contract situation, and his NTC, I have been saying for months we are looking at a 2nd rounder at best, most likely a 3rd rounder.

 

[Daffy]

You didn’t watch many Bruins games this past season did you. The reason why their numbers look good is because Ullmark and Swayman were so good. Why do I get the feeling Ullmark’s reputation gets ripped apart because he was with some terrible Buffalo teams?

Ullmark is a great goalie. Only 30 years old and with an extension I’m sure Boston can get quite a bit

He is a very good goalie, but don't expect a monster return. Goalies never return as much in trades. Saros would be an exception to this rule and I'm sure he would cost an arm and a leg.

 

[Dellstrom]

Ullmark in Boston has been consistently giving them a chance to win as well as stealing some games along the way.

But goalies just seem to excel in Boston. They’ve had a long run of goalies who are usually in the Vezina conversation going back 15+ years.

Did they just happen to draft/acquire top tier goalies multiple times over that stretch? Possibly. If so their amateur/pro goalie scouts deserve a huge raise.

I am curious to see how Ullmark performs when he leaves Boston

Have to give some flowers to Bob Essensa, the goalie coach. Maybe we’ve been lucky/good at drafting and pro scouting, but he’s consistently been able to develop and elevate goalies at various stages of their career.

 

[Micklebot]

This is it exactly. I am a big Bruins fan, I want them to get a big return for him, but based on goaltender trade history, Ullmark’s contract situation, and his NTC, I have been saying for months we are looking at a 2nd rounder at best, most likely a 3rd rounder.

I think you're underselling what he'll return, but on the bright side, at least whatever happens you aren't likely to be disappointed.

 

[wintersej]

He is a very good goalie, but don't expect a monster return. Goalies never return as much in trades. Saros would be an exception to this rule and I'm sure he would cost an arm and a leg.

Ullmark and Saros are the same age with the same career stats… except for games played, of course. I think Ullmark is the smarter move, frankly, because he would cost less assets, less $$ and would give you similar performance for 15 fewer games.

 

[I am Bettman]

This is it exactly. I am a big Bruins fan, I want them to get a big return for him, but based on goaltender trade history, Ullmark’s contract situation, and his NTC, I have been saying for months we are looking at a 2nd rounder at best, most likely a 3rd rounder.

Markstrom just got a first and a bottom pair defenseman. How in the world does Ullmark get at best a second? Ullmark is flat out better and 4 years younger.

 

[Daffy]

Ullmark and Saros are the same age with the same career stats… except for games played, of course. I think Ullmark is the smarter move, frankly, because he would cost less assets, less $$ and would give you similar performance for 15 fewer games.

I hope the Sens land Ullmark, I really like him. And he would definitely cost less than Saros. But I think Saros is definitely on a different level. I think he's a top 2 or 3 goalie in the world.

 

[Micklebot]

Ullmark and Saros are the same age with the same career stats… except for games played, of course. I think Ullmark is the smarter move, frankly, because he would cost less assets, less $$ and would give you similar performance for 15 fewer games.

I feel like the "cost less assets and less $$" aspect should be true, but it really seems like the expectations from some are that it won't be true.

 

[Kalus]

Markstrom just got a first and a bottom pair defenseman. How in the world does Ullmark get at best a second? Ullmark is flat out better and 4 years younger.

A top 10 protected first in NEXT year’s draft. Should be in the high 20s or so. Also, Markstrom is cost controlled for an additional year.

 

[stats1]

Why would Ullmark cost less than Markstrom? He’s younger, less wear and tear and I think he’s a better goalie. If Markstrom got a 1st and a prospect, Ullmark gets at least that.

IMO a 1st, lower tier pick and a prospect from Ottawa gets it done

 

[Kalus]

Why would Ullmark cost less than Markstrom? He’s younger, less wear and tear and I think he’s a better goalie. If Markstrom got a 1st and a prospect, Ullmark gets at least that

Markstrom is cost controlled for a year longer than Ullmark. Ullmark has a 15 team no trade list, cutting eligible trade partner pool in half. And the first is for next year, should be in the high 20s. We’ll be looking at a 2nd in this years draft at best. Likely a third.

 

[stats1]

Markstrom is cost controlled for a year longer than Ullmark. Ullmark has a 15 team no trade list, cutting eligible trade partner pool in half. And the first is for next year, should be in the high 20s. We’ll be looking at a 2nd in this years draft at best. Likely a third.

Yeah but I’m going to assume any team he agrees to go to will line up an extension for him. I don’t see Ottawa taking 1 year of Ullmark

 

[Micklebot]

A top 10 protected first in NEXT year’s draft. Should be in the high 20s or so. Also, Markstrom is cost controlled for an additional year.

Cost controlled is missing a bit of the real selling point, Markstrom will be @ 4.125 for the next two seasons, that's on the low end for starters.

So, if you believe in him and think he can be the .922 guy from 2022 rather than what he's been the last two years that's a fantastic value deal (imo he's been a bit inconsistent which could be age, could have been a health thing or could be in part the team in front of him)

 

[Sevendust]

Markstrom is cost controlled for a year longer than Ullmark. Ullmark has a 15 team no trade list, cutting eligible trade partner pool in half. And the first is for next year, should be in the high 20s. We’ll be looking at a 2nd in this years draft at best. Likely a third.

I think your way off with this. Ullmark will bringt back a first round pick for sure as he is the best goalie available right now and there are many teams that need an upgrade in net. One year removed from vezina, 30 year old goalies who even played great on a shitty team (Buffalo) have more value than a first round pick in an average draft. NTC is limiting the teams he can be traded to but he wouldn´t be the first player to waive for a team on his list.

 

[wintersej]

Yeah but I’m going to assume any team he agrees to go to will line up an extension for him. I don’t see Ottawa taking 1 year of Ullmark

Ottawa of all teams has been burned without extensions in place multiple times now. Now, of course, no official extension can happen before the draft, but to think they won’t know his general terms before the deal would be naive as hell.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

 

[DJB]

As I stated in the Sens thread, Sweeney or any GM of that matter would never allow their player to negotiate a contract with another team unless the parameters of a deal are already in place .

We very likely have an agreed upon deal here folks

 

[Gil Gunderson]

As I stated in the Sens thread, Sweeney or any GM of that matter would never allow their player to negotiate a contract with another team unless the parameters of a deal are already in place .

We very likely have an agreed upon deal here folks

I’m not sure if the issue is the terms of the contract extension or that Boston hasn’t given the team permission to speak with him yet.

 

[DJB]

I’m not sure if the issue is the terms of the contract extension or that Boston hasn’t given the team permission to speak with him yet.

Fair enough and good point. But if Boston wants to maximize their return they would allow negotiations to take place .

Staois can’t afford to make the same mistakes that Dorion did .

 

[Kegs]

Fair enough and good point. But if Boston wants to maximize their return they would allow negotiations to take place .

Staois can’t afford to make the same mistakes that Dorion did .

Hard to be worse than Dorian.

 

[wintersej]

Fair enough and good point. But if Boston wants to maximize their return they would allow negotiations to take place .

Staois can’t afford to make the same mistakes that Dorion did .

Yeah no way Ottawa gives up shit without talking turkey with Ullmark.

 

[Altimus]

Probably false but.....

https://x.com/i/web/status/1804276559559229756

 

[Forge]

I think the Markstrom trades largely provides a baseline for an Ullmark trade. I'm not sure how much greater it is.

There are so many more things at work than how good a guy is. Before the markstrom trade, I had mentioned before that I was really curious to see how each of the returns shake out because I really wasn't positive who was going to get more. I think it's going to be Ullmark, but I'm not 100% on it and even if I do like the return more, I just don't think it'll be that much more.