Two things:
1. People like you mention all the time, on this very board, that he's a great defensive player.
2. This thread is about goal-scoring, not defensive play, so not mentioning it on here would be the smart thing to do.
Where Does Auston Matthews Rank For You As A Goal Scorer All Time?
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1. People like you mention all the time, on this very board, that he's a great defensive player.
2. This thread is about goal-scoring, not defensive play, so not mentioning it on here would be the smart thing to do.
Golden_Jet
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I’ll add Bobby Hull 8x by age 32 or 33 before he left for WHA and making 4-5x the money.
Agree, Training and equipment are miles ahead now.
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winnipegger
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If anyone actually has a chance to break "the record" it would be him. He's been f***in dynamite since 18 years old, definitely the best shot right now in the league and if he does it for 15 more years who knows.
Golden_Jet
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I read just fine thanks.
here’s you
The only two seasons he didn't hit it, he was on pace but missed games. If not for those missed games, by age 26 he would be one season short of matching Gartner's career total of 40+ goal seasons.
Me - now include Gartner’s pace, for missed games.
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This is why he gets dragged on here
Everyone is basically agreeing that he’s the best goal scorer in the league but that’s just not enough for some people. You have to make up this myth about him as an all around player.
He’s a great goal scorer, the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired
Golden_Jet
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Yep, Bobby Hull missed by a month, but the schedule was 10-12 games less in a season then. So if he played in an 80-82 game season, he also makes it.
But you go by the game back then, so he’s a month short.
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This is 100% inaccurate. Matthews is definitely one of the best defensive forwards in the league, and has been for years now.
Sasha Orlov
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this is a reality solely in the minds of Leaf fans
If he was the best goal scorer and also the best defensive forward in the league the team would be a lot more successful
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Damn that is elite bro
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Compare it to those I mentioned. That figure also doesn't take into account the micro stats referenced in the second and third tweet I linked.
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All fan bases do it. You are right, it is all for Fun. We are talking about the best hockey players in the world here. Enjoy it man.
Sasha Orlov
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Nobody thinks those players are elite defensively lmfao
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Again, you're ignoring the micro stats linked in the second and third tweets wilfully.
"In last season's microstats only Barkov really compared in terms of steals, battles, and puck management."
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Sasha Orlov
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I didn’t even open them because the first link instantly debunked your claim lmfao
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Ok, so mind debunking it? You're being purposely obtuse at this point. The data is right there. Debunk it.
In last season's microstats only Barkov really compared in terms of steals, battles, and puck management.
Sasha Orlov
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Having to go back two seasons to find some slightly better numbers is really not helping you
Also this thread is about goal scoring so I’m gonna stop replying now
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I'm skeptical of the takeaway stats for that reason. There's inconsistency from one arena to another.
From 2020 to today, Matthews averaged 3.58 takeaways/60 at home vs only 2.48 takeaways/60 on the road. Generally players perform better while at home, so we'd expect a bit of a dropoff, but not >30%.
The same is true for others Leafs. The home/away split is 3.60/2.23 for Marner, 2.16/1.34 for Tavares, and 3.10/1.84 for Nylander.
Besides, there's only so much value in takeaways. If you're taking the puck away a lot, it means the opponent must be in possession of the puck a lot. Bergeron's takeaway numbers aren't overly impressive, probably because when he's on the ice, the Bruins are in possession of the puck the majority of the time.
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Hey man, we all know that McDavid is the best player in the world, and nobody is taking that title from him. Sometimes we like to poke at it for fun, but we all know the truth.
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One of the best in his Era is the way I think you have to view it with how much the game changes over the years.
Putting players like Lemieux, Bure and Hull in today's NHL with no red line rule,3 on 3 overtime and having today sticks technology would be interesting to see their stats.
Putting players like Lemieux, Bure and Hull in today's NHL with no red line rule,3 on 3 overtime and having today sticks technology would be interesting to see their stats.
Yes not playing any D helped Gretzky, Lemieux, Ovechkin, etc., essentially every other all-time great goal scorer besides Matthews.
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