Where do the Rangers go from here?

[BB88]

Barkov also shut himself down when he was on the ice. 1 EV point all series. Less than Panarin and Zibanejad.

As much as fans like to harp on it, all top forwards get shut down from time to time (aside from maybe McDavid-tier players). Especially when facing strong defensive teams. The Rangers' real problem isn't their forwards stars, it's their crappy bottom 6, and to some extent, lack of puck skills on the backend.

Nobody who watched that series thought Barkov was a ghost though.
He’s been a dominant force during these playoffs& in the Rangers series

You can’t say the same for Ziba or Panarin

& yes Rangers real problem is not being able to count on their superstar winger and 1C when it matters. It makes winning about impossible

 

[Ratsreign]

Relocate to Kansas City?

I was going to say Quebec City lollol

 

[ColbyChaos]

Igor hasn't developed well?
Fox hasnt been developed well?
Laff hasnt been developed well?
Schneider hasnt been developed well?
Kandre hasnt been developed well?
Will cuylle hasnt been developed well?
Chris kreider wasnt developed well?
a 6th round pick who had trouble skating and was 6’8 240 cracking an nhl lineup at age 21 hasnt been developed well?

Igor was already 24 and played numerous seasons in the KHL no development was done by NY for him. Same with Fox.

Besides Laf the rest of those players haven’t done much or are still in the minors so who cares tbh but if you have to list a player all the way back from 2009 it’s hard to take your list seriously.

The funny thing is you are having a tough time answering my original question. Because while there are some teams in better position for the next 5 years than NYR, the list if very very very small

As I already said any team who isn’t overly reliant on a bunch of 30+ players and any team that actually has an elite C. If a team has an elite/franchise level C they’re already in better shape long term. Look at every cup winner since the cap era and count the number of winners without an elite C. There are a lot more teams who won it all without an elite Dman or an elite goalie for a reason but we are talking about winning in the cup not the presidents trophy so of course you can’t tell the difference between them.

If all you needed as an elite D and an elite G then Nashville would have won 7 cups in a row with Weber, Suter, Josi, and Rinne

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Tampa had every thing needed for the cup

Elite wingers in Kucherov
Elite Centers in Stamkos and Point
Elite Dmen in Hedman,

Elite goalie in Vasi

And unlike the rangers group that constantly disappears, Tampas group actually showed up in the playoffs year in and year out

Are you sure about that?
They went through a lot since losing to Chicago in the finals in 2015. Lost two conference finals, one loss in the first round and even missed once.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Are you sure about that?
They went through a lot since losing to Chicago in the finals in 2015. Lost two conference finals, one loss in the first round and even missed once.

Look at the ages of everyone on that Tampa team and try again. By the time Stamkos and Hedman were Panarins and Mika’s current age they had already won 2 titles and just finished their 3rd consecutive finals appearance. The rest of that Tampa team was also a lot younger as a whole as well Vassi and Kucherov were only 24 and 25 in 2019

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Igor was already 24 and played numerous seasons in the KHL no development was done by NY for him. Same with Fox.

Besides Laf the rest of those players haven’t done much or are still in the minors so who cares tbh but if you have to list a player all the way back from 2009 it’s hard to take your list seriously.



As I already said any team who isn’t overly reliant on a bunch of 30+ players and any team that actually has an elite C. If a team has an elite/franchise level C they’re already in better shape long term. Look at every cup winner since the cap era and count the number of winners without an elite C. There are a lot more teams who won it all without an elite Dman or an elite goalie for a reason but we are talking about winning in the cup not the presidents trophy so of course you can’t tell the difference between them.

If all you needed as an elite D and an elite G then Nashville would have won 7 cups in a row with Weber, Suter, Josi, and Rinne

I threw in kreider to simply give an example of a borderline hall of famer who was developed and on roster.

But pal, you are struggggggling here. 4th time im asking now. Name the teams in better shape than NYR for the next 5 years. There are a few, but not many. Just name some if you can.

Rangers were youngest team in final 4 fyi.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Just when you think HFboards takes can't get any more outlandish, "Chris Kreider borderline hall of famer" appears.

 

[drktmplr12]

Run it back but simplify breakouts

 

[Fatass]

Anything other than the President trophy and Conference Final is a step back. Likely the Rangers take a step back.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Just when you think HFboards takes can't get any more outlandish, "Chris Kreider borderline hall of famer" appears.

1) NHL’s all time leader in playoff goals when facing elimination
2) greatest net front presence of his generation (some will try to make a case for pavelski)
3) 50 goal scorer
4) 48 career playoff goals and counting, likely finishes his career top 20 in playoff goals all time
5) currently 3rd all time in goals in NYR franchise history, likely takes #2 spot next season and good chance he becomes NYR all time leading scorer if he plays his next 3 years with NYR

How many 400 goal scorers with playoff performance to back it arent in the hall?

If he plays as long as pavelski which his game will likely allow him to do, he easily will surpass 450 goals and even get close to 500.

So yeah, calling him a borderline hall of famer is warranted.

 

[apoptygma]

Run it back and hope for better luck next year.

Should be able to resign Lindgren, Schneider and Kakko and sign a 7. d-man for what they have in capspace. They SHOULD look into get some better puck-moving from the D.

A "real" 1C would be nice to have, but those are not available by trade, so better hope a d-corps better at moving the puck will help Zibanejad perform better in the playoff next time.

Blow it up is not a real option, the older guys have either NMC's and/or long contracts that makes them hard to trade for anything valuable, and just keeping them while trying to rebuild will just keep them in the dreaded middle. Just to bad there was not a surefire 1C for them to pick when they drafted 1. or 2. overall.

There is not much of high end talent in the pipeline (except Perrault), but there should be a influx of cheap depth arriving in the next few years, so the support cast might be good.

Would be nice if some other GM is stupid and overpay for Lindgren, Goodrow or Trouba.

NYR have 20 million coming of their cap in 2026, so might be able to get some UFA help then.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Look at the ages of everyone on that Tampa team and try again. By the time Stamkos and Hedman were Panarins and Mika’s current age they had already won 2 titles and just finished their 3rd consecutive finals appearance. The rest of that Tampa team was also a lot younger as a whole as well Vassi and Kucherov were only 24 and 25 in 2019

Oh so now we're talking ages when you first stated that they stated that "Tampas group actually showed up in the playoffs year in and year out". GG buddy.

 

[Czechboy]

I am assuming UP and not down.. great core, great team.. just need a coach and GM to identify the right areas and address them. I don't know what that is but they are clearly a very realistic cup contender for, at least, next season. Few smart trades/signings and go for it again.

 

[elmaco]

1) NHL’s all time leader in playoff goals when facing elimination
2) greatest net front presence of his generation (some will try to make a case for pavelski)
3) 50 goal scorer
4) 48 career playoff goals and counting, likely finishes his career top 20 in playoff goals all time
5) currently 3rd all time in goals in NYR franchise history, likely takes #2 spot next season and good chance he becomes NYR all time leading scorer if he plays his next 3 years with NYR

How many 400 goal scorers with playoff performance to back it arent in the hall?

If he plays as long as pavelski which his game will likely allow him to do, he easily will surpass 450 goals and even get close to 500.

So yeah, calling him a borderline hall of famer is warranted.

I don't see it.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I threw in kreider to simply give an example of a borderline hall of famer who was developed and on roster.

If you have to pull up a draft from 15 years ago to show your point then that says a lot about how bad your argument is. Also Kreider being a borderline hall of famer is a massive L take.

I guess the standards for New York have sure dropped if you’re already calling Laf and his 50 pts a superstar and Kreider is a borderline hall of famer despite never even having a single PPG season.

But pal, you are struggggggling here. 4th time im asking now. Name the teams in better shape than NYR for the next 5 years. There are a few, but not many. Just name some if you can.

Rangers were youngest team in final 4 fyi.

Edmonton, New Jersey, Florida, Vegas, Carolina, Colorado, Vancouver, Toronto

Then you go into teams with a lot of young talent that can improve a lot over the next 5 years that already look like they have a lot of promising prospects including Minnesota, Anaheim, Arizona/Utah,

New York is gonna be stuck with Panarin, Kreider, Mika, Kreider all having no move clauses so might as well put an end to your wet dreams of Theodore, Draisaitl, Boeser, and others flocking to New York

 

[Chan790]

Down. I think this was their peak.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The seemingly "perfect team" just can't get it done when it matters most. Florida completely smothered the life out of the Rags in this series who were probably lucky that it actually went to 6 games. The team core is aging but also pretty locked in at this point. Core is also simply not good enough even with some of the best goaltending in the entire league.

What do the Rags do after this? Run it back and hope Shesterking goes even more crazies in the playoffs or that Laf turns into the piece that puts them over? Trade Panarin/Zib and retool on the fly? Tear it down?

As good as the team is, they are also caught in no man's land of being too good to tear it all down IMO while also not being remotely good enough to win the SC.

All the Rangers can do is maximize their chances. There's no guaranteed victory team out there.

 

[Sentinel]

1) NHL’s all time leader in playoff goals when facing elimination
2) greatest net front presence of his generation (some will try to make a case for pavelski)
3) 50 goal scorer
4) 48 career playoff goals and counting, likely finishes his career top 20 in playoff goals all time
5) currently 3rd all time in goals in NYR franchise history, likely takes #2 spot next season and good chance he becomes NYR all time leading scorer if he plays his next 3 years with NYR

How many 400 goal scorers with playoff performance to back it arent in the hall?

If he plays as long as pavelski which his game will likely allow him to do, he easily will surpass 450 goals and even get close to 500.

So yeah, calling him a borderline hall of famer is warranted.

How many individual awards does he have? How many top 5 points finishes? And for "playoff performance": how many Cups?
Kreider isn't sniffing HHOF.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Down. I think this was their peak.

Bold. 114 points and President Cup is their peak. Way to go out on limb.

 

[Sentinel]

On the subject. Cups are unpredictable. One year it's Colorado's Cup, then Las Vegas's. Hell, even the Blues won it once (most likely, the only team in history without a single HOF player). Florida may deteriorate next year like TB did. You just have to keep playing and hoping to stay injury free.

 

[Kupo]

New York hasnt exactly been a success story for player development and their prospect pool is near the very bottom

This isn't accurate at all. The Rangers didn't get a chance to develop many high draft picks because Sather was trading away 1st rounders like candy, but as far as development goes, there's a plethora of NHL players that had or are having long NHL careers that were developed in-house.

D Moore, Dubinsky. Callahan. Anisimov. Sauer (injury). Stepan. Hagelin, Staal. Girardi. Del Zotto. Vesey, Kreider, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Fast, Talbot, JT Miller, Hayes, Buchnevich, Pionk, Georgiev, Skjei, Howden, Lindgren, Chytil, Laf, K'Miller. If you want to not include a guys like McD and Lindgren because they weren't drafted by us -- fine. But suggesting the Rangers haven't had success developing players is an asinine, short sighted statement.

 

[ColbyChaos]

1) NHL’s all time leader in playoff goals when facing elimination

Lol

2) greatest net front presence of his generation (some will try to make a case for pavelski)
3) 50 goal scorer

A one time 50 goal scorer

4) 48 career playoff goals and counting, likely finishes his career top 20 in playoff goals all time

So you think he is seriously going to end up with 70 or more

5) currently 3rd all time in goals in NYR franchise history, likely takes #2 spot next season and good chance he becomes NYR all time leading scorer if he plays his next 3 years with NYR

Not a high bar since you are the only original 6 franchise that doesn’t even have a 500 goal scorer. Hell Joe Pavelskis sharks tenure would be second all time in New York.

There are teams 60 years younger that have a higher all time goal scorer the bar for New York is really that low as a franchise

How many 400 goal scorers with playoff performance to back it arent in the hall?

He has 304 goals and is 33 calm down junior

If he plays as long as pavelski which his game will likely allow him to do, he easily will surpass 450 goals and even get close to 500.

So yeah, calling him a borderline hall of famer is warranted.

Pavelski has over 1,000pts Kreider has 550 he isn’t getting another 500 pts in 5 years. Kreider is maybe a borderline hall of famer for the rangers hall of fame (having incredibly low standards help his case)

But the nhl hall of fame he doesn’t sniff it.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If you have to pull up a draft from 15 years ago to show your point then that says a lot about how bad your argument is. Also Kreider being a borderline hall of famer is a massive L take.

I guess the standards for New York have sure dropped if you’re already calling Laf and his 50 pts a superstar and Kreider is a borderline hall of famer despite never even having a single PPG season.

Edmonton, New Jersey, Florida, Vegas, Carolina, Colorado, Vancouver, Toronto

Then you go into teams with a lot of young talent that can improve a lot over the next 5 years that already look like they have a lot of promising prospects including Minnesota, Anaheim, Arizona/Utah,

New York is gonna be stuck with Panarin, Kreider, Mika, Kreider all having no move clauses so might as well put an end to your wet dreams of Theodore, Draisaitl, Boeser, and others flocking to New York

Only counting teams in the east (excluding the west teams since the NYR are in the east)

Florida and Carolina are likely to lose pieces this offseason given the amount of free agents they have.

Toronto can barely ever make it out of the 1st round of the playoffs. Let's see what their new coach does. They still need a goalie.

Devils have a good amount of high end talent, but need to work on goaltending as well.

Rangers can make the right moves and still make it back to the ECF next season at a minimum.

 

[BB88]

Bold. 114 points and President Cup is their peak. Way to go out on limb.

You know there’s playoffs as well?

Do you legit think they can build a team with this core that can get it done in the next 1-2 years?

 

[Grifter3511]

Lol


A one time 50 goal scorer


So you think he is seriously going to end up with 70 or more


Not a high bar since you are the only original 6 franchise that doesn’t even have a 500 goal scorer. Hell Joe Pavelskis sharks tenure would be second all time in New York.

There are teams 60 years younger that have a higher all time goal scorer the bar for New York is really that low as a franchise


He has 304 goals and is 33 calm down junior


Pavelski has over 1,000pts Kreider has 550 he isn’t getting another 500 pts in 5 years. Kreider is maybe a borderline hall of famer for the rangers hall of fame (having incredibly low standards help his case)

But the nhl hall of fame he doesn’t sniff it.

Edit: Totally read that wrong...