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PensPlz said:
When McDavid is having a 100pt regular season: "McDavid is the best. He's so skilled. He's so great. He's a cheat code. He's the best player in the league. GOAT. Crosby who?"

When McDavid is losing the playoffs: "It's a team sport."
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Where are you reading that? All I see Mcfraud and mcghost
 
bambamcam4ever said:
Crosby has lifted his (usually lesser) team to at least one championship with every single team he's played for since he was 9.
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Yet he needed to be gifted some Conn Smythes because of "positive media" for the league.

At some point the other players on the Oilers need to take their responsibility and step up.
 
DavePoulin4PM said:
McDavid is not a natural leader and doesn’t elevate those around him. This has been proven repeatedly at the OHL and NHL levels. He is just a guy who is born with freakish speed/skill. He lacks the intangibles that make guys like Crosby winners at every level they’ve played.
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Kind of starting to agree with this. The real legends - Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby - they made their whole team much better. I have not seen that with McDavid and the Oilers and it's starting to look like that will never happen. You would think that the lead they blew against Anaheim a few years ago would have been a lesson not to forget. And yet, here they are making the same mistakes.

I think the Oilers might want to seriously think about trading him if they can get a haul in return. It worked out well for Quebec/Colorado when they traded Lindros.
 
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But that was a pretty bad clear out by McDavid along the boards for the tying goal
 
Muffin said:
You mean HE shit the bed defensively. It was his giveaway that created the tying goal.
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You make it sound like he turned it over right in the middle of the ice and it led to a breakaway.

He threw it up the board a bit carelessly, but if the Oilers need him to have a perfect game every night to win games, then that just proves that they’re a basement team.
 
The NHL playoffs are designed to stifle skill. We all should know this by now. The rules are changed to protect rough 'n' tough play -- otherwise known as cheating by lesser-skilled players and teams-- and top players, like McDavid and many before him, are keyed upon by "shadows" who are able to hack, whack, hook, hold, interfere and harass. It doesn't always work, of course, but often does. Those stars with deep teams that can spread the wealth of talent have a better shot at succeeding. As clutch as, say, Patty Kane undeniably is, he'd mostly get stuffed on these Oilers teams, too. It has ever been thus, and ever will be. I'm not an Oilers fan, and top stars are obviously not above criticism, but it's not "playoffs pressure" or whatever BS narrative that often leads so many offensive stars to fail. It's the bias of the NHL.
 
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Mr. Fancy Pants said:
Kind of starting to agree with this. The real legends - Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby - they made their whole team much better. I have not seen that with McDavid and the Oilers and it's starting to look like that will never happen. You would think that the lead they blew against Anaheim a few years ago would have been a lesson not to forget. And yet, here they are making the same mistakes.

I think the Oilers might want to seriously think about trading him if they can get a haul in return. It worked out well for Quebec/Colorado when they traded Lindros.
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LMAO that’s a hot take! Who did Quebec/Colorado get in return for Lindros again?
 
Alexander the Gr8 said:
You make it sound like he turned it over right in the middle of the ice and it led to a breakaway.

He threw it up the board a bit carelessly, but if the Oilers need him to have a perfect game every night to win games, then that just proves that they’re a basement team.
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He's the captain. Other team scored to make it a 1 goal game with 5 minutes left, you go out there and set the tone, bunker down and hold on to the win not give the puck away.
 
Pretty crazy though how through 3 games McDavid doesn't have a single primary point and Oilers are down 3-0. After the season he had that is a huge letdown for sure.
 
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SirKillalot said:
Yet he needed to be gifted some Conn Smythes because of "positive media" for the league.

At some point the other players on the Oilers need to take their responsibility and step up.
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True. Conn Smythe should have gone to *checks notes* a player on the 3rd line who played easy minutes and refused to backcheck or forecheck.
 
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PensPlz said:
When McDavid is having a 100pt regular season: "McDavid is the best. He's so skilled. He's so great. He's a cheat code. He's the best player in the league. GOAT. Crosby who?"

When McDavid is losing the playoffs: "It's a team sport."
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Well yeah. Individual accolades in the regular season is a bit more individual oriented and wins/losses in the playoffs is more team oriented
 
DavePoulin4PM said:
McDavid is not a natural leader and doesn’t elevate those around him. This has been proven repeatedly at the OHL and NHL levels. He is just a guy who is born with freakish speed/skill. He lacks the intangibles that make guys like Crosby winners at every level they’ve played.
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Crosby is/was also elite in the defensive zone too. Just a great all around player. McDavid floats in the defensive zone.
 
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Muffin said:
He's the captain. Other team scored to make it a 1 goal game with 5 minutes left, you go out there and set the tone, bunker down and hold on to the win not give the puck away.
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The fact that it’s a one goal game at that point in time after leading by a comfortable margin for most of the game is the real problem.

At some point, the expectation can’t be for him to will the team to a victory every night. He needs help, you can’t back him up with washed up D like Larsson or Kulikov.

It would be the same as putting cheap tires on a Lambo.
 
McDavid is purely an offensive player. He could benefit having a selke calibre winger on his line like Mark Stone to cover up for his mistakes.
 
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CupHolders said:
A better player in Peter Forsberg. Then a bunch of other stuff.

EDIT: obviously wasn’t a better player at the time of the trade, but ended up having a more impactful career.
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Yes, exactly.

So who are the Oilers supposed to get in return if they trade McDavid? A better player than him? They won’t find that anywhere.
 
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snowkiddin said:
Crosby is/was also elite in the defensive zone too. Just a great all around player. McDavid floats in the defensive zone.
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Whoa whoa whoa, there have been plenty of posters the last few months claiming McDavid was ahead of Crosby defensively at the same age. Are you telling me they're not telling the truth?
 
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