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What have Zibanejad done to deserve 5,3M? His production is barely over .5 in his NHL career (.66 for the Rangers), and to be honest he hasn´t showed enough to get such a big contract. Yes, he has been good, and I like him, but 5,3M?

4,5-4,7 should be the finall offer from Rangers.
 
Zucc36 said:
What have Zibanejad done to deserve 5,3M? His production is barely over .5 in his NHL career (.66 for the Rangers), and to be honest he hasn´t showed enough to get such a big contract. Yes, he has been good, and I like him, but 5,3M?

4,5-4,7 should be the finall offer from Rangers.
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Its weird because in the past guys on this board tended to be more frugal. Now a few people want to spend like drunken sailers and hand out 7 year deals for "potential".

I think the ask/offered is much more reality. If Zibs is asking for 5.3 he probably is hoping for around 5. If we offered 4.1 we are probably hoping for around 4.6. I think 4-5 years at 4.8 mill is fair for both sides.
 
its like Brassard, you would be paying Zibanejad for what he can become (would also be younger than when we brought in Brassard) with more ice time and better linemates, etc.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
its like Brassard, you would be paying Zibanejad for what he can become (would also be younger than when we brought in Brassard) with more ice time and better linemates, etc.
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I really don't like paying for what we hope he may become and a arbitrator is unlikely to rule on what they hope he may become. They will look at guys with comparable ages and production. Johnson has been an all star. Has put up 70 point seasons. I would use his 5 mill salary in my thought process. Brass deal of 5 years with 5 mill per season would be fair. In an ideal world I would like it a little lower (4.7 or 4.8) but I could live with 5mill that if push comes to shove.
 
boxhamster said:
A Contract like Viktor Arvidsson would be very cool.
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Arvidsson signed a deal coming off his ELC and was a couple years farther from free agency than Zibanejad. That's while the AAV is "low" over those seven years. Zibanejad is coming off his second contract and already had five years in the league, so there's no way he'd get a contract like Arvidsson since we'd be buying out five full UFA years.
 
Looks to me Zibanejad wants to get a deal done. He's not asking for the moon. 5x5 would do it. Tho I worry it ties up a lot of cap.
 
nyr2k2 said:
The numbers were posted this morning, yes, but I'm glad you posted this article. It does a decent job explaining why you don't want to do a one- or two-year "show me" deal with Zibanejad, since all that does is drive up the cost down the road.
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I would think the show-me deal drives up cost only if he shows-me, so to speak. That's the rub. If not, they know to look elsewhere.
If they sign him long term, I hope they've done their homework.
 
Cosmetically, I like that the ask and the counter aren't that far apart. Good optics. Team and player in-synch.
 
egelband said:
I would think the show-me deal drives up cost only if he shows-me, so to speak. That's the rub. If not, they know to look elsewhere.
If they sign him long term, I hope they've done their homework.
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Not really. It pretty much can only make the cost go up unless he gets hurt. Realistically if he plays the full season he's going to put up a minimum of like 45 points. To think we can give him a "show me" deal and have him play 82 games and see him score like 25-30 points and then get him cheaper is not really going to happen. He's scored at a 45-50 point pace the last 3 years and around a 40 point pace when he was 19 or 20.

It really just puts you in trouble if he takes "the next step" and breaks out and scores like 65-70 points now you're looking at a huge deal. If you give him a 1 year deal you're still likely looking at 5M+ long term next year if he doesn't break out.
 
SA16 said:
Not really. It pretty much can only make the cost go up unless he gets hurt. Realistically if he plays the full season he's going to put up a minimum of like 45 points. To think we can give him a "show me" deal and have him play 82 games and see him score like 25-30 points and then get him cheaper is not really going to happen. He's scored at a 45-50 point pace the last 3 years and around a 40 point pace when he was 19 or 20.

It really just puts you in trouble if he takes "the next step" and breaks out and scores like 65-70 points now you're looking at a huge deal. If you give him a 1 year deal you're still likely looking at 5M+ long term next year if he doesn't break out.
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4.8x6 instead of 5.5x5 is a lot better. Don't do any show me deals. Huge mistake there.
 
GordonGecko said:
Problem is we're backed into a corner after dumping our 1C without a replacement. Zibanejad is what we have to work with unless we can pull off some miracle and land Tavares
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I for one have no problem with a identical deal to Brassards. I'm sure Zbad would take that deal. But i don't think NYR wants to do that. Which is why I'm guessing 4.8 mil per.
 
I'm hoping Gorton is only looking for 4-5 year deals. No more than that is needed. 5 years takes us to age 29. We can revaluate at that time.
 
It's amazing how year after year there are hoards of NYR fans who fail to understand RFA vs UFA year and market pricing dynamics. Probably the same pe who think "Stepan was overpaid."

Mika is worth 6M as a UFA pretty easily. Add in 2 RFA years at 4.5ish and that cap hit is over 5m, no problem.
 
I can't wait for the 2019 off-season when Zibanejad will pop up in trade proposals because he is approaching 30 and we have to trade him before his production drops
 
I think something in the $5.25m - $5.5 range for 5 years is where they'll ultimately settle. Even if he doesn't really improve on the player he is now, the value is only a little bit inflated at that price and is manageable moving forward.
 
Let me see

A "show me"....2 years at 4.1 =8.2 then when he DOES SHOW US at best it will be
5 years at 7mil =35. Total 43.2mil. (and risk losing him)

Right now a 7 year deal X 5 mil =a total of 35 mil. (Risk-long term injury)

In other words, you're getting him for an extra 2 years for free. Buy 5, get 7.

If they have decided he is the type of player they want to be on the Rangers long-term than it looks to me they should give him the 7 years and save 8.2 mil

I could be wrong.
 
What makes this difficult all the way around for the Rangers is Zbad has the bargaining power now, in that there is NO 1c anywhere to be found. If we did have one, then it's; "hey Zbad, we like you but.....you're nothing but a 2c at best, and we don't expect you to ever play like a 1c....so here is 4.4 and be happy.

I know that's a little crass. Just sounds about right.
 
Larrybiv said:
Let me see

A "show me"....2 years at 4.1 =8.2 then when he DOES SHOW US at best it will be
5 years at 7mil =35. Total 43.2mil. (and risk losing him)

Right now a 7 year deal X 5 mil =a total of 35 mil. (Risk-long term injury)

In other words, you're getting him for an extra 2 years for free. Buy 5, get 7.

If they have decided he is the type of player they want to be on the Rangers long-term than it looks to me they should give him the 7 years and save 8.2 mil

I could be wrong.
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If his ask on a 1 or 2 year arbitration contract is 5.35 he's not singing long term at less than that. In most cases you add years to get the AAV down but I don't think Zib wants a contract based on what he's done so far, he's betting on himself taking a big step forward and an uptick in production if for nothing more than being the defacto 1C.
 
If they could get the Tyler Johnson contract I'd be good with that. It would include two RFA years instead of one, but also the tax difference, pretty much a wash. Clauses the same too.
 
Larrybiv said:
Let me see

A "show me"....2 years at 4.1 =8.2 then when he DOES SHOW US at best it will be
5 years at 7mil =35. Total 43.2mil. (and risk losing him)

Right now a 7 year deal X 5 mil =a total of 35 mil. (Risk-long term injury)

In other words, you're getting him for an extra 2 years for free. Buy 5, get 7.

If they have decided he is the type of player they want to be on the Rangers long-term than it looks to me they should give him the 7 years and save 8.2 mil

I could be wrong.
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You maybe get him at $5M or close on a five year deal. On a seven? No way. On a seven year deal you're buying 5 years of UFA.

$4.75M (midpoint of the arbitration asks)
$4.75M
$5.5M (something he could likely fetch as a UFA in two years)
$5.5M
$5.5M

That's $26M over 5 for an AAV of $5.2M. You throw on two more years at that UFA rate (or likely something higher) and that AAV goes up.

$4.75M
$4.75M
$5.5M
$5.5M
$5.5M
$6.5M
$6.5M

That's 7 years at a $5.6M AAV.
 
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