When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Fantomas]

How mant points exactly do you think three 40-50pt players added to them, exactly? Enough to be a bad as those teams? Hell no

Three pretty significant players in the Wings lineup doing their best to keep the treadmill moving.

 

[Underdogoil]

Yes, with a seriously long injury list.



Yes, because that has worked out well for the Oilers

Or is all forgotten now because he made the Ekholm trade?

He has turned our organization around while wings are perennial bottom feeders

 

[Fantomas]

I will ask again... how many points?

You ask dumb questions.

 

[Fantomas]

Gee, I wonder if the Red Wings would be significantly lower in the standings if they didn't have 3 of their 4 top scorers.

 

[logan5]

A perfect example of just how hard it is to rebuild in the cap era. Detroit stockpiled a lot of draft picks, and they are still on their way to missing the play-offs for the 7th year in a row, and I don't see them competing for a play-off spot next year either. The reality is that most organizations need upwards of 10 years to become a consistent play-off team again.

 

[Ulysses31]

A perfect example of just how hard it is to rebuild in the cap era. Detroit stockpiled a lot of draft picks, and they are still on their way to missing the play-offs for the 7th year in a row, and I don't see them competing for a play-off spot next year either. The reality is that most organizations need upwards of 10 years to become a consistent play-off team again.

/agree esp. With the leafs, bruins, TB, florida, Sabres, sens; all teams good at least on paper

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The team and the roster have seemingly spun their wheels (pun intended) for a bit now.

Have you already criticized it?

Or is making the playoffs next season critical?

Or does Yzerman have a longer leash due to his reputation?

Need to make the playoffs next year. They still don't have some of their high picks in the NHL but since they've already started spending money on UFAs, the playoffs are now expected.

 

[The Red Line]

mighty defensive aren't we? lol. Do you work for the Red Wings front office, it wasn't a personal attack..

You come into every single Wings/Yzerman thread with a religious obsession and make triggering comments specifically with the goal of getting a rise out of Wings fans, so yeah, it kind of is a personal attack.

 

[The Macho King]

Should've taken Al Murray with him.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You come into every single Wings/Yzerman thread with a religious obsession and make triggering comments specifically with the goal of getting a rise out of Wings fans, so yeah, it kind of is a personal attack.

Nope. No such thing occurs. You’re seeing ghosts.

 

[norrisnick]

Yzerman's decision to commit long term salary to veterans like Copp and Chiarot should be criticized, as should his decision to keep Perron and Kubalik beyond the trade deadline

The team just didn't have the necessary pieces in place to justify aggressively pulling the chute on the rebuild and trying to compete

This approach was all the more curious given the strength of the upcoming draft

Copp and Chiarot are on the Wings for stability. They are wearing As and helping in the room to take off ice pressure off of the kids.

Perron and Kubalik were kept because we need players on the ice and to count against the cap.

Filling out a roster is not aggressively pulling the chute. It's filling out a roster. If you don't sign enough you can't sell at the deadline. And at this point since it hasn't happened very much it doesn't seem like Ilitch is too keen on acquiring dead contracts to stay cap compliant.

Yzerman has addressed this offseason's moves a few times. Being willfully bad hasn't worked. He can't justify continuing to be bad with nothing to show for it because the lottery system is trash. So the decision was made to improve the team. He has. Without franchise players falling in your lap, it's a slow process.

 

[jfrank21]

Should've taken Al Murray with him.

Why? His drafting has been great considering their draft position. Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond, Kasper, Wallinder, Soderblom, Mazur, Hanas, Johansson, Buchelnikov, Lombardi....all of these guys are looking pretty solid for the both the near and long term future.

Why the heck are we Wings' fans supposed to be upset at this point? 2019: 39 points from 71 games. 2020: 48 points from 56 games. 2021: 74 points from 82 games. 2022: 75 points from 75 games....this is called improvement. He is literally improving the current team while stacking the prospect pool and leaving a ton of salary cap to work with. Isnt the goal of a GM to do just that, while making sure that his owner is able to put fans in seats and make some money? But no, people are legitimately simultaneously arguing that Wings fans should be big mad that the team isnt better, but also big mad that he didnt do everything in his power to get the team to take 10 steps backwards for a 20% chance to get Bedard. Oh, and we are supposed to blame him for the prior 3 years of Holland bungling the roster and the draft as well.....

He has a clear path to getting this team back into contention. And threads like this will look absolutely silly within the next 2 years.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You come into every single Wings/Yzerman thread with a religious obsession and make triggering comments specifically with the goal of getting a rise out of Wings fans, so yeah, it kind of is a personal attack.

The dude is like the Hawks fans in 2010 that were chanting "Detroit Sucks" after winning their first Cup in 50 years. They didn't even play them in the playoffs that year but the Wings were still in their head for some reason.

 

[Neutrinos]

Copp and Chiarot are on the Wings for stability. They are wearing As and helping in the room to take off ice pressure off of the kids.

Perron and Kubalik were kept because we need players on the ice and to count against the cap.

Filling out a roster is not aggressively pulling the chute. It's filling out a roster. If you don't sign enough you can't sell at the deadline. And at this point since it hasn't happened very much it doesn't seem like Ilitch is too keen on acquiring dead contracts to stay cap compliant.

Yzerman has addressed this offseason's moves a few times. Being willfully bad hasn't worked. He can't justify continuing to be bad with nothing to show for it because the lottery system is trash. So the decision was made to improve the team. He has. Without franchise players falling in your lap, it's a slow process.

You can spin it however you like, but I think those signings were a poor use of cap space

The roster could've been filled out by taking on cap dumps from other teams, and signing players to 1 year deals

 

[Oddbob]

Three pretty significant players in the Wings lineup doing their best to keep the treadmill moving.

Umm, Chiarot has been a mess all year, so he actually aided us in being worse, so your point doesn't even add up. The guys we signed are complimentary players, not major game changing pieces. Also, almost every single draft the top 4 players after all is said and done, don't come 1-4, they come from all over the draft. Who says we don't end up with a great player at 7-11 or whatever we pick from?

 

[Oddbob]

He has turned our organization around while wings are perennial bottom feeders

Oiler fans should stay out of threads like this if they are going to make silly arguments. Holland turned the Oilers around? It wasn't him joining a team that had not 1 but 2 Top 10 NHL players on it??????????? A monkey could guide 2 of the best to a championship winning team without much work. Also, hilarious to run the Wings down as bottom feeders, when the Oilers have had about 5 or 6 good seasons in the last 30 NHL seasons. Some of those with those same two stars driving the bus.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was closed,

Turns out it is cloned, what a relief!

Yzerman, had his hands all over Tampa Bay right?

What if, in 5 years, Detroit is suddenly f'n amazing?

Well you gotta kind of wait and see right?

Everyone thought Yzerman was some next level GM in Tampa, but.....

Give the dude some time, and look back on it later.

No one can change an entire team at the drop of a dime, or twiddling their thumbs.

 

[MessierII]

His time in Tampa was overrated. Had a pretty good starting point there. Rebuilding from scratch is something else entirely.

 

[Pavels Dog]

The roster could've been filled out by taking on cap dumps from other teams, and signing players to 1 year deals

No one's yet been able to really provide a solid argument that cap dumps are the best ways to rebuild, as opposed to acquiring actual players that can play who can then be flipped for assets.

Take Nick Leddy as an example.

- Detroit trades 2nd round pick to acquire him
- Detroit trades him to St.Louis for 2nd round pick + Sundqvist + Walman
- Detroit trades Sundqvist for 4th round pick

So in essence they now have Walman (on their top pairing) + 4th for no expense except their cap space.

Why is acquiring a cap dump so much preferable? Do you not think they'll be able to flip Perron for an asset next TDL? Or Kubalik?

 

[Hobnobs]

That's specifically what I'm talking about, the thread is populated with "lmao Hawks, lmao Oilers" comments. Once you're done getting your digs in about how bad our rebuild was, where does that leave us on the actual topic of the thread? Oilers and Hawks fans are not allowed an opinion because our orgs suck? Doesn't really leave a lot of room for any discourse.

I don't think it should be criticized yet either but certainly a couple more years and regardless of whether there were any 1OA or not you have to start seeing some kind of success. Getting a number of top 10 picks should still move you forward after half a decade.

Look if you had honest intentions I apologize. This thread is filled with ignorant trolls from certain fanbases.

 

[dirtydanglez]

His time in Tampa was overrated. Had a pretty good starting point there. Rebuilding from scratch is something else entirely.

i think he gets some of the credit that should go to brisebois. brisebois identified what the team was missing add wasted no time addressing it. he's also the one that identified the cap loophole. without brisebois i'm not sure tampa wins 2.

 

[tabness]

Honestly as a Wings fan it's disappointing both where the team is but more importantly its short term future. Obviously it isn't so much on Yzerman as much as what he inherited, bad lottery luck, and so on, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect more by now, even if it's totally magical thinking, it is what it is. After all, there was so much excitement with Yzerman coming back, just feels like things should be better now. Even if it rationally understandable why not, emotionally...

The thing about the "Yzerplan" is that it's very conservative and long term, and well, even knowing that, it still sucks when the team has sucked for so long.

Bedard better unexpectedly fall into Detroit's hands lol

 

[Frank Drebin]

Oiler fans should stay out of threads like this if they are going to make silly arguments. Holland turned the Oilers around? It wasn't him joining a team that had not 1 but 2 Top 10 NHL players on it??????????? A monkey could guide 2 of the best to a championship winning team without much work. Also, hilarious to run the Wings down as bottom feeders, when the Oilers have had about 5 or 6 good seasons in the last 30 NHL seasons. Some of those with those same two stars driving the bus.

I mean Yzerman inherited Hedman and Stamkos and fluked out on grabbing a couple superstars with late picks in Kucherov and Point. While the Vasilevski pick was great, he also thought Slater Koekkok had more potential, so it goes to show how much of a role luck has when drafting.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Oiler fans should stay out of threads like this if they are going to make silly arguments. Holland turned the Oilers around? It wasn't him joining a team that had not 1 but 2 Top 10 NHL players on it??????????? A monkey could guide 2 of the best to a championship winning team without much work. Also, hilarious to run the Wings down as bottom feeders, when the Oilers have had about 5 or 6 good seasons in the last 30 NHL seasons. Some of those with those same two stars driving the bus.

I would wager the bigger thing they should concern themselves with is that for the majority of the season they fought for a wildcard spot. Similarly last year they were spiralling out of playoff contention. Doesn’t scream “turned around “ until they can be consistently good, not polar streaky.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Their situation seems to be going fine to me. Rebuilds are not just about collecting talent. It's one part of many parts of it. Team structure (how they play on the ice) and team identity is a big part of it as well. And those things take time. When I saw them play the Pens the other day, they looked good. I think they will turn the corner sooner than later.