Because they are never hitting 50 points in a season, this isn’t really hard to comprehend. Trading 5% in the draft lottery isn’t worth screwing the core players out of some support to actually hang in games with.
When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?
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dirtydanglez
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buying a team doesnt make a bottom feeder a competitor again. if detroit wants to be better its going to have to be through the draft.
i disgree. if detroit sat out of the free agent market they would still be at the bottom.
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Agreed. But people seem to think that continuing to try to suck as much as possible while you hope to win generational talent is a feasible option.
It's a tired argument that has been thoroughly dismantled.
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imo it's better option than drafting 10th-14th every year and buying depth players in free agency.
Then you apparently disregarded half of these posts and the fact that they had 74 points last season with plugs in their lineup. Living in a dream world.
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If it is such a great option why didn't it work better the 4 years before when that was happening?
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I have seen a few mocks with Eduard Sale... Don't abandon all hope
All a general manager that walks into a dumpster fire can do is make good decisions and hope for some good luck as opposed to bad luck. General managers are assigned a fair bit of credit or blame with respect to drafting, but realistically their most important part in the drafting process isn't the part they actually play in making the choice of who to draft but their management of the scouting department and can change the personnel there and have better information accordingly.
When Devellano took over the dumpster fire that was the Red Wings in 1982 his team continued to be terrible for the next four years. His 1985-86 team, his 4th year at the helm, was probably the worst in a long Red Wings history to that time. The team started to look better in Devellano's 5th season.
Yzerman is arguably in a tougher spot than Devellano was. Devellano took over before the salary cap era. Yzerman inherited not only a bad team but a team in the cap era with overpaid veterans that were harder to move than they would have been if there were no salary cap.
No doubt every NHL fan is wondering what it was about Vrana that caused Yzerman to want to dump him and 31 general managers to pass him by when he was placed on waivers, but the fact is 31 general managers passed on him despite his scoring ability. If he works out for the Blues that will be great but it doesn't mean there wasn't a reason that no NHL GM thought him worth a waiver claim.
In my view Yzerman has earned his respect. His drafting, both in Tampa and in Detroit, hasn't been exceptional. He's simply been a guy who makes consistently reasonable decisions, steers clear of making irrational risky decisions and is the sort of general manager that sooner or later will have a good team.
When Devellano took over the dumpster fire that was the Red Wings in 1982 his team continued to be terrible for the next four years. His 1985-86 team, his 4th year at the helm, was probably the worst in a long Red Wings history to that time. The team started to look better in Devellano's 5th season.
Yzerman is arguably in a tougher spot than Devellano was. Devellano took over before the salary cap era. Yzerman inherited not only a bad team but a team in the cap era with overpaid veterans that were harder to move than they would have been if there were no salary cap.
No doubt every NHL fan is wondering what it was about Vrana that caused Yzerman to want to dump him and 31 general managers to pass him by when he was placed on waivers, but the fact is 31 general managers passed on him despite his scoring ability. If he works out for the Blues that will be great but it doesn't mean there wasn't a reason that no NHL GM thought him worth a waiver claim.
In my view Yzerman has earned his respect. His drafting, both in Tampa and in Detroit, hasn't been exceptional. He's simply been a guy who makes consistently reasonable decisions, steers clear of making irrational risky decisions and is the sort of general manager that sooner or later will have a good team.
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I did say IF he isn't the guy. I like this progress. Now can he sustain it? A goalie of his stature should be able to become an NHL goalie.Detroit Red Wings Goaltender Sebastian Cossa Turning Heads
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No team has fallen in the draft more than Detroit. Some drafts are better than others also ,
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It is called filling out a roster. Copp is overpaid just slightly, and Chiarot actually helped us be worse than we could of. It is also called not wanting to lose 5-1 and 6-2 like we did a lot last year as Steve said in his presser after signing these guys. Any young prospects on your team getting shelled every night is how you make them worse players and kill their confidence.
Even without them, we weren't beating out any of the bottom 5-6 teams in the race to this years bottom. We would have had to not play Larkin and Seider for most of this season to achieve that level of bottoming out. Also, even if we did that, we could still not land Bedard. One of the other top players available is Michkov who won't be in the NHL until 26-27 when his KHL deal ends, which means we could end up with not a lot better a player than we are going to get anyhow. Outside the top 3 or 4 guys, the next 10-20 are all similar, which is where we were set to draft for most of this season.
A few seasons ago we were 20 pts worse than the 2nd last team in the league and we fell to 4th and had to get lucky that we ended up with at worst no worse a player than #1 Rangers got. Without lottery luck, there isn't much rebuilding teams can do to accelerate a rebuild. Rebuilding teams are not high traffic landing spots for key UFA's and even good RFA's, which means Copp level players it is for now until we get a little better.
If you never add any good talent to the team, it also lets other UFA's know maybe you aren't serious about improving. Maybe in a year or two, better UFAs will want to be here again.
We are drafting 7-11 this year though. Like I said, Larkin and Seider would have had to sit for 60% of our games, for us to be down in the standings with how bad, SJ, CBJ, Ana, MTL and Chi have been.
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Kuablik is just a stop gap guy anyway and Zadina is all but gone this summer. Yzerman was working on trading him at the deadline already. I wasn't happy to see Hronek dealt, but Vrana has/had non hockey issues here, so that wasn't a we need to trade him cause he sucks move.
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Yzerman's decision to commit long term salary to veterans like Copp and Chiarot should be criticized, as should his decision to keep Perron and Kubalik beyond the trade deadline
The team just didn't have the necessary pieces in place to justify aggressively pulling the chute on the rebuild and trying to compete
This approach was all the more curious given the strength of the upcoming draft
The team just didn't have the necessary pieces in place to justify aggressively pulling the chute on the rebuild and trying to compete
This approach was all the more curious given the strength of the upcoming draft
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As a Red Wing fan I'm pleased for the most part with Yzerman's work so far. The Chiarot contract was a headscratcher, but I don't mind the Copp one too much, think he's been OK this season after struggling with an injury during all of pre season really. I think even if he hadn't brought in the players via free agency, the team wouldn't have been bad enough to be in the tank race IMO. But he saw the way the season was going after those Ottawa games and cut the cloth accordingly and traded Hronek and Bertuzzi which I think was the right move. Think with the likes of Edvinsson and Kasper coming into the team and hopefully some good picks this year and HOPEFULLY some lottery luck could help too will do wonders for the rebuild. We'll see if he'll be aggressive in the summer with free agent signings in what is admitely a weak free agent class, but might explore the trade mark we'll see.
We aren't drafting 10-14th though?
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Tied with another team who is playing well and we're also 4 points from 7th with 4 of our last 7 being against Toronto, Carolina, Dallas, and Tampa.
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Silly way of looking at things. Detroit was fairly devoid of legit up and coming talent when he took over. And it takes time to build that back up - they're no shortcuts unless you're the Rangers and elite talent is is just dying to play in New York. Add in some poor lottery luck and it's gonna take a bit longer than was probably expected.
But this whole mentality that you can go from bottom feeder to bonafide contender in 5 years or less is inane and outdated. It's probably double that, short of landing a generational talent. Probably one of the reasons why rebuilds keep failing in Canada since that notion is still in vogue and the general impatience to build anything properly.
But this whole mentality that you can go from bottom feeder to bonafide contender in 5 years or less is inane and outdated. It's probably double that, short of landing a generational talent. Probably one of the reasons why rebuilds keep failing in Canada since that notion is still in vogue and the general impatience to build anything properly.
Wasn’t much to work with when Yzerman arrived. Honestly, after 4 seasons at the helm only guys who are still around from the Holland led drafts is like Larkin, Lindstrom, maybe a couple of other guys. Basically moved everyone else out. Not going to be many pre 2019 draftees on this wings team in the next 2 seasons.
Have to add some veteran difference makers. Last batch were the guys to help transition from bad team to non playoff team. Now need to add guys to push them into playoff contender status.
They didn’t land a super elite offensive talent. Got a very good minute muncher Dman in Seider. Raymond is a nice winger but you don’t build rosters with just wingers. Evindsson spent
The year in the A. Kasper probably more a 2C. Not sure if Larkin and Kasper as the top 2 C get it done for a contender.
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Who's being lazy? If they don't sign those three players they're a worse team, period. This is not complicated.
This draft has 4 outstanding players to choose from. You don't even have to win the lottery. You just need to give yourself a shot to get one of the 4. And if you don't you might still get someone like Benson or Smith.
