When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Hobnobs]

Obviously he did a great job with Tampa it’s just it’s pretty easy to do a great job when your starting point is Stamkos and Hedman. The two hardest pieces to get were already in the organization.

not saying you're fully wrong but tbf. He built a great team around Stamkos and was able to win the cup without him.

 

[Pavels Dog]

This is a deep draft with four outstanding players. You tank, you give yourself a shot to get them. You fail to get them, you get sweet consolation prizes.

No one has been able to describe just how the Wings were supposed to tank into the bottom 4 this year.

 

[TBF1972]

the hronek trade clearly shows they are still accumulating assets. there seems to be no urgency and the way buffalo and the devils are shaping up, patience is a virtue here.

 

[WF19]

Think If we still had Holland, Yzerman got rid of all those albatross contracts and has signed some good deals, restocked our prospect pool and we have a ton of picks going forward. Now he has the ability to wheel and deal with some prospects as well as draft picks and current roster players.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Kucherov was undervalued because of concerns with him being a Russian. Point was someone Yzerman actually specifically traded up to in order to draft in the 3rd round. In the case of Kucherov at least you can probably argue that what makes up an undervalued asset changes all the time and what he was able to take advantage of in 2011 isn't something he can take advantage of now, but you can't really write off Point as just "fluking out" when it was clearly someone he and the scouts had zeroed in on wanting to draft when they did. I'm sure they didn't expect what he's turned into but they clearly saw something they liked.

They liked 3 players more than point that draft year. 2 never played in the NHL. If they really thought he was going to be a top 6 center, would they really have taken Dominik masin before him?

Tampa Bay Lightning Draft History at hockeydb.com

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[TCNorthstars]

I like what Yzerman is doing . He has had some bad luck with draft lotteries band has made a couple moves that havnt worked as well as he hoped (Cossa ) but the rifht idea is there. Build from the back end out. Seider and Edvinsson plus other very good D pieces is key. I agree that another elite C is needed , but there was never any really draft picks there for him that would seem to fit that need.

A bit early to say that a 20 year old goalie hasn't worked out, no?

 

[TCNorthstars]

As of this past trade deadline with shipping off Bertuzzi and Hronek, Larkin is the only remaining Red Wing since Yzerman took over. The entire roster has been turned over in less than 4 years

Rasmussen. Zadina, Lindstrom, Veleno, and Beggren are all pre-Yzerman.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Rasmussen. Zadina, Lindstrom, Veleno, and Beggren are all pre-Yzerman.

None of them were full time players Yzerman’s first year. Lindstrom played 16 games and Zadina 9 that year.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

So many people have a misconception about rebuilds.

It's not about how many times you miss the playoffs, or even how many 1st overall you draft.

You need to accrue elite talent. Some drafts have 5 elite players. Many have none.



Detroit will not be a contender until they somehow manage to procure elite talent.

 

[BFLO]

Seems like they didn't bottom out low/long enough and then tried to pull out of the tank too soon.

Buffalo tried something similar as far as pulling out of the tank too soon, 7 years later and we're still paying for it.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

not saying you're fully wrong but tbf. He built a great team around Stamkos and was able to win the cup without him.

People forget he had a few missteps too, I love Steve but I can't stand the worship like a person can do no wrong. There is some solid young talent on that team but he needs 1-3 more pieces.

 

[King In The North]

My only note is that I didn't think the DRW would be playoff ready this year, and though they were pretty close, I don't think fans would have been upset if they tanked from the start.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Seems like they didn't bottom out low/long enough and then tried to pull out of the tank too soon.

Buffalo tried something similar as far as pulling out of the tank too soon, 7 years later and we're still paying for it.

They did bottom out though. The lottery has consistently screwed them over.

 

[Panda Bear]

Anyone who wants to criticize the Yzerman rebuild should point out what he could have done differently that would have the team in a better spot. He can’t pull star talent out of thin air and he has drafted very well in the first round so far. He’s made a bunch of small moves that have worked out and improved the team and the future incrementally. Blaming Yzerman for lousy lottery luck is nonsensical

Okay.

Don't sign Chiarot. Don't give away Vrana. Don't avoid tanking the one year you can get Bedard.

 

[FlameChampion]

I think hes done a good job. Not sure hes quite the golden boy that some people claim though.

That being said, I think this is the reason why going full rebuild is a major risk. Theres teams like Edmonton, Buffalo etc that have taken forever to get out (and in Buffalo's case, still not out).

I do like a lot of the trades that hes made. Hes had some flop decisions like Copp and Chiarot probably being the worst.

I do like him moving Hronek. It shows to me that hes not super rigid in his plan. I think when a team starts to move up, a GM still needs some patience before they are a contender. I look at someone like Dorion and even though I like some of his moves, I do wonder if some patience would of worked better in the long run.

 

[WF19]

Rasmussen. Zadina, Lindstrom, Veleno, and Beggren are all pre-Yzerman.

Don't know if it was mentioned in this thread but last night was the first time Yzermans first dound picks were on the ice together with. Seider, Edvisson looking like 2 monsters pushing back Bunting and Raymond and Kasper on the ice as well. Still sometime but the Wings future isn't as bleak as alot of people think.

 

[BFLO]

They did bottom out though. The lottery has consistently screwed them over.

Which is why I said not long/low enough. Most of the other teams that have bottomed out in the past 10ish years have more than 1 bottom 3 finish. And got at least 2 elite players from top 5 picks.

You had bad lottery luck, but also didn't buy that many tickets compared to your competition.

Detroits finishes
Last: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
4th: 1
5th: 2
6th: 1
7th: 0
8th: 1

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

No one has been able to describe just how the Wings were supposed to tank into the bottom 4 this year.

People have described it, it's just a fantasy. Simply not signing Chiarot, Copp and Perron apparently would've done it.

Those three have been described as bad players not worth signing and simultaneously the main reason the Wings are 20+ points above the cellar dwellers.

 

[hatterson]

No one has been able to describe just how the Wings were supposed to tank into the bottom 4 this year.

Getting into the bottom 4 took a lot of effort this year. Several teams were *really* committed to maximizing their chances of that pick.

 

[CDJ]

I think he has them going in the right direction

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Drafting Cossa over Wallstedt made me raise an eyebrow, though.

There are a few guys who I like over Raymond too, though I'd hesitate to actually criticize the pick.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

For anyone who follows what's going on and where the Wings were as an organization not too long ago, everything is going extremely well. It could have been much worse. Yzerman pretty much couldn't have done better with what he had.

The real criticism should go to the NHL and the game they manage, where it takes a decade to rebuild because you can't renegotiate contracts, or buy them out, etc.

And you have to draft kids like 6 years before they're mature professional players.

The whole set-up is ridiculous, it's a miracle they're able to draw any new fans to the game.

 

[Bob and 200 others]

They liked 3 players more than point that draft year. 2 never played in the NHL. If they really thought he was going to be a top 6 center, would they really have taken Dominik masin before him?

Tampa Bay Lightning Draft History at hockeydb.com

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By this logic every "hit" beyond the first round is a fluke and not deserving of praise. There's zero reason to draft a player with a higher pick than is necessary to get said player. That's wasting draft picks.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The real criticism should go to the NHL and the game they manage, where it takes a decade to rebuild because you can't renegotiate contracts, or buy them out, etc.

And you have to draft kids like 6 years before they're mature professional players.

The whole set-up is ridiculous, it's a miracle they're able to draw any new fans to the game.

Detroit had like 20 straight years of great teams, everyone in the League has a chance and it's designed to be pretty cyclical. Detroit has been in a nadir for a while, but they should come back, at least to some degree. It'll never be completely "fair" but on a long-enough timeline, there's no reason any team can't win a Cup.

 

[Realgud]

The real criticism should go to the NHL and the game they manage, where it takes a decade to rebuild because you can't renegotiate contracts, or buy them out, etc.

And you have to draft kids like 6 years before they're mature professional players.

The whole set-up is ridiculous, it's a miracle they're able to draw any new fans to the game.

A big part of the Wings slow rebuild is how many future assets they've traded for immediate help to help keep the playoffs appearance streak alive. So many first picks and prospects were traded for guys like Modano, Legwand, Alfredsson, Quincey...

Pair that with subpar drafting under Holland when they actually had good draft picks and you've got a disaster, and that's what Yzerman has stepped into. A lot of fans don't get how bare the roster AND the prospect pool were before Yzerman took over.