When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[PaulD]

"This is going to take time". Sure. And Five years is more than enough time to have your team back in the playoffs. That should be the absolute lowest of expectations by the end of Year 5.

They might still may make it.
Atlantic division top 4 seeds have been carved in stone for years. One of them built by Yzerman.
I think his track record in Tampa gives him the cred to stay on in Detroit. Steve will build a contender.

 

[Ezekial]

That's like saying you're a millionaire when you have two lottery tickets you're sure will hit.

Considering everyone was telling us we drafted a bust lottery ticket and should've chosen the other one, we like what those numbers are starting to look like.

 

[Bank Shot]

From 2019 to 2023 they had the 2nd worst 5v5 sh% in the league. So you would agree that they were unlucky to be where they were in the standings those years?

*awaits goalposts being moved*


There’s not a single area of the Red Wings organization that isn’t better off now than it was 5 years ago. Your arbitrary performance targets are meaningless.

That doesn't appear to be correct.

Detroit's 5v5 shooting % ranking by season:
18/19- 16th
19/20- 31st
20/21- 28th
21/22- 17th
22/23-19th

Definitely, better teams with more talent generally have higher shooting percentage, but there is a tonne of variation among even talented teams from season to season. Any team running top 5 in shooting percentage is running "hot" and even star studded teams generally don't finish that high yearly.

Just look at Seattle last year. 1st in 5v5 shooting %. Made the playoffs. This season, 28th and not close.

Any team that is bottom five is probably having some bad luck, and any team top 5 is having good luck.

Regression is expected for Detroit next year. The Wings org is better in all areas on the ice than 5 years ago, but they certainly still don't look good IMO.

 

[Ezekial]

That doesn't appear to be correct.

Detroit's 5v5 shooting % ranking by season:
18/19- 16th
19/20- 31st
20/21- 28th
21/22- 17th
22/23-19th

Definitely, better teams with more talent generally have higher shooting percentage, but there is a tonne of variation among even talented teams from season to season. Any team running top 5 in shooting percentage is running "hot" and even star studded teams generally don't finish that high yearly.

Just look at Seattle last year. 1st in 5v5 shooting %. Made the playoffs. This season, 28th and not close.

Any team that is bottom five is probably having some bad luck, and any team top 5 is having good luck.

Regression is expected for Detroit next year. The Wings org is better in all areas on the ice than 5 years ago, but they certainly still don't look good IMO.

Maybe the statistic was combined 19-23 and not bottom 2 every season.

 

[PaulD]

Monumental collapse avoided? What would you call seven straight regulation losses (included being emasculated by the lottery Arizona Coyotes twice within a week as well as completely no-showing against the Sabres and Pens along with a near-disaster against Columbus that took a miracle to avoid) and seeing what was a comfortable 9 point cushion and talks of even catching the Leafs for 3rd in the division completely disappear and now trailing by 2 points in the Wild Card chase?

Because 30 days ago, the Red Wings were within striking distance of the Leafs for 3rd in the division and fans were talking about buying playoff tickets for the first time since 2016 and the potential of them pulling an upset like the Panthers did last year.

Stevie Y will have his team contending.
Wings won't be looking to hire a Brad Treviling or Marc Bergevin any time soon.

 

[Crunchy]

steve started in april 2019, its almost april 2024, five years later. his first group of 18-21 year olds are now 23-26 year olds and nearing arbitration or ufa status. he inherited the lighting team that lost in the finals and was replaced before tampa actually won.

Sorry you're suggesting that the group he inherited with the Wings of E Svechnikov, Cholowski, Hronek, Rasmussen, Zadina, and Veleno to be comparable to Stamkos, Hedman, Killorn?

 

[Dr Quincy]

But they are winning more, far more in fact, than when he started. The stated target among most fans, media, coaches etc. was to play meaningful games this time of year, which they are.
So it seems a few of you just have your own number in mind (a number you refuse to state and DEFINITELY did not expect going into the season).

Hey I didn't say he's done a bad job, but I wouldn't say he's done a good job either. But "Far more". I don't think so.

They hit rock bottom his 1st year as GM. Ok, he only came along in April so you can say that there was nothing he could do that year. His next year he got them up to 7th in the division an improvement of one spot in the division. His next year they got up to 5th. Ok making progress. Last year, back down to 7th. This year... back up to 5th.

So exactly how are they winning "Far more"? But if I told you 5 years ago the team would be still out of the playoffs (if they miss it this year, there's still a decent chance) that not only hadn't they made the playoffs, but that he's only treaded water or gotten the team a spot or 2 in the division and picking in the early teens, I think you'd consider it a disappointment, at least if you were being honest.

Would you say Kevyn Adams of the Sabres has done a good job? His first year the team was 8th (same as Yzerman's 1st year). So far the team has finished 5th, 5th and now probably 6th. He's rightly being criticized and nobody is talking about the Kevyn Plyn.


I'll make it easy. I'll say he's done a good job when the team makes the playoffs. If they get in this year, I'll give him credit. Like every other GM in the league you get based on results not on a catchy slogan or what you did as a player 30 years ago. I don't think he should be fired or anything, but I do think that thus far he's been "meh".

 

[Spring in Fialta]

They might still may make it.
Atlantic division top 4 seeds have been carved in stone for years. One of them built by Yzerman.
I think his track record in Tampa gives him the cred to stay on in Detroit. Steve will build a contender.

I think the only thing that we should take out of Tampa Bay's success and Detroit's lack of any after all of these years is that hockey teams are far more than just one-man operation and that Yzerman was a cog in the Tampa Bay machine, not the sole engine.

I'm not saying he sucks but his lack of success in Detroit is nothing but cope when people try to make excuses for it. People have had their brain broken by rebuilds. 5 seasons just to finish 9th or something is a bad record.

 

[Czechboy]

Do GM's usually get a 5 year leash? Wings fans are very patient.

The prospects must be can't miss NHL stars as that seems to be the biggest defence. Wait till ASP shows up etc.

Is that next year? How many impact rookies are playing next season?

 

[Ezekial]

"All these years"

From 39 points in 71 games in 19-20 and drafting 4th overall (with by far the worst record in the league)

to 3.5 years later his team is fighting for a playoff spot with Larkin and Fabbri as the only holdovers from that team.

 

[Crunchy]

Yzerman has won everywhere he's been. He's publicly stated that patience is required and DRW fans have obliged him. He's earned that trust.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[ClydeLee]

So many complain about missing the playoff still, my issue is they seemed to try to make the playoffs too soon. I don't see how they get still the other couple different makers from. I know some very good prospects are still on the way, but I think they should of bottomed out longer.

 

[norrisnick]

That's like saying you're a millionaire when you have two lottery tickets you're sure will hit.

I think they have a better than 1 in 100,000,000 chance of being decent players.

 

[Peasy]

I think the only thing that we should take out of Tampa Bay's success and Detroit's lack of any after all of these years is that hockey teams are far more than just one-man operation and that Yzerman was a cog in the Tampa Bay machine, not the sole engine.

I'm not saying he sucks but his lack of success in Detroit is nothing but cope when people try to make excuses for it. People have had their brain broken by rebuilds. 5 seasons just to finish 9th or something is a bad record.

Yeah exactly. Its really weird people give him all the success that Tampa has had when he wasnt even there getting Stamkos/Hedman, and he wasnt even there when they actually won their cups. Sure he helped them become the team they are, but he is not the sole reason for their success. Most gms drafting outside of the first round wont have any idea who these prospects are. Not to mention the tax and weather advantage that he doesnt have anymore.

I think hes a fine, fairly average gm. Maybe slightly above average at best? but hes not some miracle worker that people made him out to be after tampa's b2b cups. No idea why hes tried to accelerate stuff with so many meh signings.

 

[PaulD]

I think the only thing that we should take out of Tampa Bay's success and Detroit's lack of any after all of these years is that hockey teams are far more than just one-man operation and that Yzerman was a cog in the Tampa Bay machine, not the sole engine.

I'm not saying he sucks but his lack of success in Detroit is nothing but cope when people try to make excuses for it. People have had their brain broken by rebuilds. 5 seasons just to finish 9th or something is a bad record.

ridiculous.
Every hockey fan on the planet knows its a management "team effort".....one in Tampa Bay that was lead by Yzerman.
Now one in Detroit that is lead by same guy.
I think he will be given more time and his team will contend.
Some don't. Time will tell.
But Wings fans seem to be just fine with Stevie Y.
Fans of other teams....
ones that haven't won anything for decades are calling Yzerman a failure?

I think they have a better than 1 in 100,000,000 chance of being decent players.

These guys are really reaching eh.
If I didn't know better I would say the Yzerman bashers are just more frustrated leaf fans.

 

[Goose]

He’s done about as good as can be expected, which is less than people want.

If he doesn’t get to the playoffs in two seasons the sharks will be circling for his head and he’ll be let go during/after the third would be my take.

 

[Ezekial]

So many complain about missing the playoff still, my issue is they seemed to try to make the playoffs too soon. I don't see how they get still the other couple different makers from. I know some very good prospects are still on the way, but I think they should of bottomed out longer.

We drafted 8th 2 years ago and 9th last year, realistically how were we going to become a bottom 5 team without trading Larkin or hindering Raymond and Seider's future?

 

[Crunchy]

He’s done about as good as can be expected, which is less than people want.

If he doesn’t get to the playoffs in two seasons the sharks will be circling for his head and he’ll be let go during/after the third would be my take.

I'd say that's a good take

 

[Ezekial]

He’s done about as good as can be expected, which is less than people want.

If he doesn’t get to the playoffs in two seasons the sharks will be circling for his head and he’ll be let go during/after the third would be my take.

That's basically what it will take for him to lose his job. No playoffs in 24-25, 25-26, and his last chance would be 26-27.

 

[kingpest19]

Hey I didn't say he's done a bad job, but I wouldn't say he's done a good job either. But "Far more". I don't think so.

They hit rock bottom his 1st year as GM. Ok, he only came along in April so you can say that there was nothing he could do that year. His next year he got them up to 7th in the division an improvement of one spot in the division. His next year they got up to 5th. Ok making progress. Last year, back down to 7th. This year... back up to 5th.

So exactly how are they winning "Far more"? But if I told you 5 years ago the team would be still out of the playoffs (if they miss it this year, there's still a decent chance) that not only hadn't they made the playoffs, but that he's only treaded water or gotten the team a spot or 2 in the division and picking in the early teens, I think you'd consider it a disappointment, at least if you were being honest.

Would you say Kevyn Adams of the Sabres has done a good job? His first year the team was 8th (same as Yzerman's 1st year). So far the team has finished 5th, 5th and now probably 6th. He's rightly being criticized and nobody is talking about the Kevyn Plyn.


I'll make it easy. I'll say he's done a good job when the team makes the playoffs. If they get in this year, I'll give him credit. Like every other GM in the league you get based on results not on a catchy slogan or what you did as a player 30 years ago. I don't think he should be fired or anything, but I do think that thus far he's been "meh".

Id say going from 17 wins and 39 points in his first year to 35 and 80 last year and 36 and 79 so far this year is winning far more and a huge improvement.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Yzerman will be "promoted" in 2 years...

 

[canuckslover10]

The issue with their rebuild is they don't have a cornerstone on offense, they have one is Seider IMO although he has been getting the toughest minutes in the NHL so they will definitely need to add a top 4 dman.

The main concerns IMO are the offence, maybe Raymond turns into that guy but they lack star power and the depth to make up for the lack of star power.

 

[Riggins]

The Rasmussen and Zadina picks are killing them right now. They didn't get any lottery luck when they were terrible, but having a Necas/Suzuki and Quinn Hughes instead of those two guys would look pretty darn good with the rest of the pieces they assembled.

 

[Crunchy]

The Rasmussen and Zadina picks are killing them right now. They didn't get any lottery luck when they were terrible, but having a Necas/Suzuki and Quinn Hughes instead of those two guys would look pretty darn good with the rest of the pieces they assembled.

Of Yzerman's first 3 drafts they had 7 picks in the top 40, selecting 5 defenseman, 1 goalie, and 1 forward. Their top forward picks during that time were 51, 54, 55, and 70.

The wings want to build from the backend and defenseman/goalies take longer to develop.

Zadina busting set this franchise back at least a year; Yzerman's mistake in thinking he had something there.

 

[eojsmada]

Of Yzerman's first 3 drafts they had 7 picks in the top 40, selecting 5 defenseman, 1 goalie, and 1 forward. Their top forward picks during that time were 51, 54, 55, and 70.

The wings want to build from the backend and defenseman/goalies take longer to develop.

Zadina busting set this franchise back at least a year; Yzerman's mistake in thinking he had something there.

Except Holland drafted Zadina