When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Zarzh]

Yzerman inherited a team that was nearly historically bad in 2020 (where they were “awarded” the 4th overall pick

Today they’re sitting just 2pts out of the playoffs and have a top 5 prospect pool.
How is that not making Any progress?

Historically, prospect pool rankings mean very little in terms of predicting future success. Especially when you just have a bunch of guys who were picked highly like Detroit has, instead of players excelling.

You have a team without a lot of youth riding a hot streak into competing for a wild card spots. They only have a couple of guys meeting expectations as prospects.

 

[norrisnick]

Historically, prospect pool rankings mean very little in terms of predicting future success. Especially when you just have a bunch of guys who were picked highly like Detroit has, instead of players excelling.

You have a team without a lot of youth riding a hot streak into competing for a wild card spots. They only have a couple of guys meeting expectations as prospects.

This sounds super interesting. Please elaborate.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Do GM's usually get a 5 year leash? Wings fans are very patient.

The prospects must be can't miss NHL stars as that seems to be the biggest defence. Wait till ASP shows up etc.

Is that next year? How many impact rookies are playing next season?

What's funny is that people go on and on about how Chiarot, Holl, Petry, Mättä, Copp etc etc. are garbage players, yet don't understand that maybe replacing them with more talented players in coming years could improve the team. Is Danielson a future star? I don't know. But I do know there's a more than decent chance he ends up as a better player than Copp. Is Edvinsson perfect? No. But he's a heck of a lot more talented and physically gifted than Määttä or Holl. Etc.

 

[67 others]

They still look at least 4 years away from doing anything. Gotta wonder how long the Wings owners let this go on before making change.

Prospects don't typically light the world on fire until they are 22 or 23 years old.

Seider and Raymond so far were great picks. Let's see how the next batch do.

 

[Zarzh]

This sounds super interesting. Please elaborate.

They have a lot of players who aren't exactly young but can't score in whatever league they play in, to the point where becoming bottom 6 forwards or defensive defensemen is unlikely.

 

[norrisnick]

They have a lot of players who aren't exactly young but can't score in whatever league they play in, to the point where becoming bottom 6 forwards or defensive defensemen is unlikely.

A lot? So it would be super easy to come up with a bunch of names, right?

Though I will add to the snark, that the Wings are in desperate need for some defensive defensemen lower in their lineup. So if we get some, that's a win.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Historically, prospect pool rankings mean very little in terms of predicting future success. Especially when you just have a bunch of guys who were picked highly like Detroit has, instead of players excelling.

You have a team without a lot of youth riding a hot streak into competing for a wild card spots. They only have a couple of guys meeting expectations as prospects.

Edvisson: meeting
Kasp: Meeting
Danielson: Meeting
ASP: exceeding
Buchelnikov: exceeding
Cossa: exceeding
Wallainder:meeting
Augustine:meeting
AJ:a meeting
Mazur: exceeding

Just a couple?

 

[Czechboy]

What's funny is that people go on and on about how Chiarot, Holl, Petry, Mättä, Copp etc etc. are garbage players, yet don't understand that maybe replacing them with more talented players in coming years could improve the team. Is Danielson a future star? I don't know. But I do know there's a more than decent chance he ends up as a better player than Copp. Is Edvinsson perfect? No. But he's a heck of a lot more talented and physically gifted than Määttä or Holl. Etc.

I get that.. I couldn't wait till Barrie left Edmonton to make room for Bouchard. Immediate dividends.

So how many of these super rookies are in the lineup next season? I've read the most about ASP being exceptional. Is that next season?

 

[nbwingsfan]

I get that.. I couldn't wait till Barrie left Edmonton to make room for Bouchard. Immediate dividends.

So how many of these super rookies are in the lineup next season? I've read the most about ASP being exceptional. Is that next season?

Edvisson will be a regular and most likely immediately step in as our 3rd best D assuming no other changes to the D (although I hope there is)

Danielson looked NHL ready last pre season so we will see where that leads to.

ASP needs more bulking up before he’s ready

 

[norrisnick]

Edvisson: meeting
Kasp: Meeting
Danielson: Meeting
ASP: exceeding
Buchelnikov: exceeding
Cossa: exceeding
Wallainder:meeting
Augustine:meeting
AJ:a meeting
Mazur: exceeding

Just a couple?

Augustine is exceeding expectations as a true freshman goalie in the NCAA.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I get that.. I couldn't wait till Barrie left Edmonton to make room for Bouchard. Immediate dividends.

So how many of these super rookies are in the lineup next season? I've read the most about ASP being exceptional. Is that next season?

Super rookies lol.. no one is expecting Danielson to come in like Bedard. But him and Edvinsson are probably the main guys of possible future core members that should be NHL ready.

 

[norrisnick]

Super rookies lol.. no one is expecting Danielson to come in like Bedard. But him and Edvinsson are probably the main guys of possible future core members that should be NHL ready.

If Ed and Dan hit like Mo and Ray, that'd be super. And honestly we need them to, otherwise things start looking pretty grim...

 

[nbwingsfan]

If Ed and Dan hit like Mo and Ray, that'd be super. And honestly we need them to, otherwise things start looking pretty grim...

I think Yzerman needs to be taking a look at some players who may be either slightly struggling, on a team with a cap crunch, or maybe worn out his welcome and make a bit of a “risky” move.

A player Boeser would have looked REAL good on the Wings right now if they took advantage of him being on the block last season for example.

 

[Czechboy]

Super rookies lol.. no one is expecting Danielson to come in like Bedard. But him and Edvinsson are probably the main guys of possible future core members that should be NHL ready.

Thank you

 

[Zarzh]

Edvisson: meeting
Kasp: Meeting
Danielson: Meeting
ASP: exceeding
Buchelnikov: exceeding
Cossa: exceeding
Wallainder:meeting
Augustine:meeting
AJ:a meeting
Mazur: exceeding

Just a couple?

Most of those are stretches. The only guys who should be exceeding are Buchenikov and ASP, and neither by a massive margin. The goalies are both meeting expectations.

Kasper and Edvinsson are somewhat concerning but if you want to give them Cs, sure. Danielson can get a C+ or something. Someone like Wallainder deserves a C- or D. The lack of production from even defensive players is concerning.

 

[Frobbo]

A GM's task is to add talent. Lottery luck would help but can't a case be made that Dal and Car have added as much or more over the same time as SY despite being in worst draft position? The RW's rise has been significantly aided by Kane Lyons and Compher whose time line doesn't match with contending. Questions are fair. A deep prospect pool can be over-rated if it doesn't have players that can excel rather than just compete.

 

[FMichael]

Historically, prospect pool rankings mean very little in terms of predicting future success. Especially when you just have a bunch of guys who were picked highly like Detroit has, instead of players excelling.

You have a team without a lot of youth riding a hot streak into competing for a wild card spots. They only have a couple of guys meeting expectations as prospects.

Something something not winning the lottery something something no generational talent something something...

I do agree though - what we have drafted sorta leaves me in a sorta mood.

My #1 issue with Yzerman...Why Lalonde?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Most of those are stretches. The only guys who should be exceeding are Buchenikov and ASP, and neither by a massive margin. The goalies are both meeting expectations.

Kasper and Edvinsson are somewhat concerning but if you want to give them Cs, sure. Danielson can get a C+ or something. Someone like Wallainder deserves a C- or D. The lack of production from even defensive players is concerning.

What exactly is concerning about a 19yo playing at ~0.5ppg in the AHL his first season in NA?

What exactly is concerning about a 20yo playong as the #1D in the AHL and now playing top 4mins in the NHL?

What the hell is being named WJC adman of the tourney and breaking records at 18 in SHL “barely” exceeding expectations in ASP?

Cossa being unreal in the 2nd half and taking over starting duties at 21 as a mid 1st round pick is just meeting expectations?

Augustine being the starter for gold winning team USA and playing amazing in the NCAA is just meeting expectations?
Just admit you have have no idea what’s going on and move on

 

[DRW895]

Detroit is within couple of games to set dubious franchise record - 8 years without postseason - 5 of them under Yzerman. It`s a big fail

 

[Zarzh]

What exactly is concerning about a 19yo playing at ~0.5ppg in the AHL his first season in NA?

What exactly is concerning about a 20yo playong as the #1D in the AHL and now playing top 4mins in the NHL?

What the hell is being named WJC adman of the tourney and breaking records at 18 in SHL “barely” exceeding expectations in ASP?

Cossa being unreal in the 2nd half and taking over starting duties at 21 as a mid 1st round pick is just meeting expectations?

Augustine being the starter for gold winning team USA and playing amazing in the NCAA is just meeting expectations?
Just admit you have have no idea what’s going on and move on

Kasper is probably not a top 6 forward, that's actually pretty bad company to be in, he needs to greatly improve next season.

Edvinsson hasn't had any success doing either yet and he's already 21. He has more time, but not that much more time.

No one sees ASP as anything beyond a top 4 defenseman, he hasn't really proven he can be anything more yet either. I don't care if he scored more goals than assists. He had 6 points in 7 games and looked worse in the medal rounds.

I don't particularly care if Cossa had a good stretch of games following a bad stretch of games.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Kasper is probably not a top 6 forward, that's actually pretty bad company to be in, he needs to greatly improve next season.

Edvinsson hasn't had any success doing either yet and he's already 21. He has more time, but not that much more time.

No one sees ASP as anything beyond a top 4 defenseman, he hasn't really proven he can be anything more yet either. I don't care if he scored more goals than assists. He had 6 points in 7 games and looked worse in the medal rounds.

I don't particularly care if Cossa had a good stretch of games following a bad stretch of games.

Dude.. I’m what world is being a #1D in the AHL and a top 4D in the NHL considered a bad thing in someone’s D+3?

You mean the guy who and is still in his D+1 (racking up accolades at that) isn’t a proven top pair D yet??? That applies to *checks notes* every single D currently in the NHL except Dqhlin and Ekblad

please show your work on the horrible company Kkaspar is in?

 

[Zarzh]

Dude.. I’m what world is being a #1D in the AHL and a top 4D in the NHL considered a bad thing in someone’s D+3?

You mean the guy who and is still in his D+1 (racking up accolades at that) isn’t a proven top pair D yet??? That applies to *checks notes* every single D currently in the NHL except Dqhlin and Ekblad

please show your work on the horrible company Kkaspar is in?

By age Edvinsson has peers like Oleksiak and Zadorov. He hasn't been good at either, that's the problem.

Well you look at AHL scoring leaders at age 19, it gets uglier when you compare him to more recent scoring seasons. It's either guys who had a steep development curve past their 19 year old season or busts.

 

[nbwingsfan]

By age Edvinsson has peers like Oleksiak and Zadorov. He hasn't been good at either, that's the problem.

Well you look at AHL scoring leaders at age 19, it gets uglier when you compare him to more recent scoring seasons. It's either guys who had a steep development curve past their 19 year old season or busts.

You do know that there’s a large number of future top 6 players who were still playing junior at 19, correct?

Please elaborate how Ed hasn’t been good in either the AHL or NHL? This should be a FUN read

 

[Pavels Dog]

Most of those are stretches. The only guys who should be exceeding are Buchenikov and ASP, and neither by a massive margin. The goalies are both meeting expectations.

Kasper and Edvinsson are somewhat concerning but if you want to give them Cs, sure. Danielson can get a C+ or something. Someone like Wallainder deserves a C- or D. The lack of production from even defensive players is concerning.

Super weird take tbh. I ain't even saying that all/most of those guys are doing amazing things. It's just.. ASP is basically having a historic season and it's "exceeding but not by a massive margin".. what's the expectation here? Doubling up on 50 year old records? Tripling? Winning the scoring title as an 18 year old D-man in a men's league? What more should Augustine have done? Not given up any goals, like, any at all? Cossa just set a franchise record point streak. That was your expectation!?

 

[Mobiandi]

If I’m a Wings fan, I’d be very disappointed about likely missing the playoffs this year