When did you know it was over for this group?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yeah IMO it's fine to say how many points Marner gets in the regular season doesn't matter that much, it's all about the playoffs. That's the way I feel anyway and I think most people feel the same way. But at the same time, every game does mean something, even the regular season games and it's a shame if PTS is preventing some people from enjoying the games, me I'm having a ton of fun.

But the people who keep saying that thinking this team can't win, we're doomed before we even start ... I agree they are the worst and why they waste their time here is a mystery. I'd much rather be Charlie Brown then these downers!


No, they don't. Look at the final standings in the covid shortened season when teams didn't play the same number of games. Pay close attention to those cases where some teams finished ahead of teams who had more points. The reason - the standings are ordered by PTS% and if the season would end today, NJ would be ahead of us because they have a better PTS%. Period.

The Covid season forced that, in a normal season like this one they go by points.

Obviously there are tie breakers and Points% is among them but it starts with points

 

[Gary Nylund]

The Covid season forced that, in a normal season like this one they go by points.

Obviously there are tie breakers and Points% is among them but it starts with points

If all teams play the full season, then teams that have the same number of points also have the same PTS% so no, PTS% is not a tie breaker that simply makes no sense.

They go by PTS%, always. Works in a full season, and unlike PTS, it also works when teams don't play the same number of games.

Common sense should also tell you that NJ has a better record than we do, same number of points but they've played less games.

 

[leafs in five]

Leaf fans in this thread at the beginning of the season: "This team is good at regular season pond hockey but buckles in the playoffs in humiliating fashion year after year after year after year. They take moral victories in things like (lol) applauding how they shake hands with the team that defeats them. Clearly something is wrong. When did you know it was done with this core?"

The key point is the team is great at pond hockey regular season, and sucks in the playoffs. 0-9 in series-clinching games. An almost impossible statistic.

And now we have "different" leaf fans coming in here saying "But hey, we're good at regular season pond hockey again. LOL!!!! SICK BURN!!!"

Like, what is happening?

they are clearly a very good and well-run hockey team and the records of people believing that a regular season loss vs a zamboni driver or a tanking western conference team on a weeknight proved they aren't good enough to compete with the best are worth poking fun at in good times. the doomsayers have their fun in the valleys.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

At what point to people like this get a new hobby? Genuinely curious. It really seems like some only watch the Leafs so they can be miserable and disappointed and post about it lol...and you've always got an excuse to be miserable even when the hockey is decent.

You realize in this scenario you/the perpetual doomers are a worse version of Charlie Brown? Charlie mistakenly believes Lucy will leave the ball in place eventually and that he will get to kick it, whereas you guys come in believing they will lose (the ball will be removed at the last second) but keep coming back to watch (taking a kick at the ball you think won't be there).

Or are some fans just gluttons for punishment and that's as much the "juice" as anything?

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet. Of COURSE many fans are frustrated and bitter. We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Your stance is remarkably confusing.

Can you imagine if the leafs just won 5 cups in a row? Imagine all of the posts from literally everybody here was crazy positive and optimistic. It's just people gushing over our great players and management that keeps winning cup after cup after cup. You know, fans acting appropriately.

Then someone like you goes in those threads saying "Why in the world are the fans so positive? What is going on? Why are the fans acting appropriately in response to the product? It makes no sense. We should all be booing their success and complaining." Like, what the hell? What on earth is happening?

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Covid season forced that, in a normal season like this one they go by points.

The NHL always goes by points percentage. They did it in the Covid season when teams played different numbers of games, and they do it for waiver order in every other year.
They display points because it's simple.

 

[Judas Tavares]

We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Appropriately dramatic to this unprecedented stat!

 

[leafs in five]

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet.

a very small minority of people on the planet know anything about the leafs cup drought or anything about hockey, no matter the experience you had in Burma

and I mean who cares what fans of other teams think about you for supporting a team through failure. wear that shit proudly imo. or do whatever, it doesn't matter anyway

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think it was when Marners ask for his contract. I had a sinking feeling that signing JT for 11 would set a standard that all of them wanted and it would appear I was correct.

No, you were very much wrong. The Marner contract had nothing to do with the Tavares contract. He got paid what he did because he was one of the best young players in the cap era at time of signing his post-ELC contract, and that's what that level of player gets paid.

It has been proven so far that cap structures like what we have do not work in the playoffs.

That has not been proven at all.

Nobody has won the cup in the cap era with a superstar eating so much of the cap. And we have 4 of them.

None of this is true. Teams have won cups with players making as much as our players make, and only 3 make a big amount, not 4.
And while our 4 combined make a bit more than cap era teams have historically won with in the year they won, that has more to do with the fact that we've had a pandemic-induced flat cap instead of a consistently rising cap lowering those percentages. And in fact, the most successful team in the flat cap era is one with a more top-heavy structure.
Teams win with all different kinds of make-ups. There is no one way to win. Teams have won getting less impact from the percentage of the cap that we pay our big 4.

Teams that win are more balanced out then we have been.

We're literally one of the most balanced teams in the league. Great offensively, defensively, and now goaltending as well.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet. Of COURSE many fans are frustrated and bitter. We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Your stance is remarkably confusing.

Can you imagine if the leafs just won 5 cups in a row? Imagine all of the posts from literally everybody here was crazy positive and optimistic. It's just people gushing over our great players and management that keeps winning cup after cup after cup. You know, fans acting appropriately.

Then someone like you goes in those threads saying "Why in the world are the fans so positive? What is going on? Why are the fans acting appropriately in response to the product? It makes no sense. We should all be booing their success and complaining." Like, what the hell? What on earth is happening?

Very funny some random guy in Burma got a lovely place to live in your head rent free.

 

[Mess]

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet. Of COURSE many fans are frustrated and bitter. We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Your stance is remarkably confusing.

Can you imagine if the leafs just won 5 cups in a row? Imagine all of the posts from literally everybody here was crazy positive and optimistic. It's just people gushing over our great players and management that keeps winning cup after cup after cup. You know, fans acting appropriately.

Then someone like you goes in those threads saying "Why in the world are the fans so positive? What is going on? Why are the fans acting appropriately in response to the product? It makes no sense. We should all be booing their success and complaining." Like, what the hell? What on earth is happening?

I'm one of those frustrated fans waiting since 1967 and over 50+ years and waiting is a Looooooooooooooooooooooooog and painful time.

So I've taken a more passive wait and see approach to this year, not getting too wrapped up in game to game results, knowing like you it all comes down to playoff results now. Leafs haven't won a playoff round in 18 years and counting.

Last year after 30 games Leafs had 42 points and this year they have 44 points, so we have been here before just last year and we know how that ended.

PS. Leafs are actually 0-10 now and counting in series clinching games.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Very funny some random guy in Burma got a lovely place to live in your head rent free.

If the leafs start winning cups it will be interesting to see your posts wondering why everyone is so happy. I don't understand what concepts here are confusing. When your team is the biggest joke on the planet and are 0-10 on series clinching games and the only team to not win a playoff series in the cap era, fans will be disgruntled. And if the team succeeds and wins cups, fans will be happy. What on earth is confusing about this?

 

[MAB1]

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet. Of COURSE many fans are frustrated and bitter. We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Your stance is remarkably confusing.

Can you imagine if the leafs just won 5 cups in a row? Imagine all of the posts from literally everybody here was crazy positive and optimistic. It's just people gushing over our great players and management that keeps winning cup after cup after cup. You know, fans acting appropriately.

Then someone like you goes in those threads saying "Why in the world are the fans so positive? What is going on? Why are the fans acting appropriately in response to the product? It makes no sense. We should all be booing their success and complaining." Like, what the hell? What on earth is happening?

Can you stop blaming the Leafs for your personal problems.

Stop projecting how you feel about yourself to others.

 

[leafs in five]

is the oldest game in the 0-10 in elimination game stat the collapse in 2013 vs Boston? maybe I'm remembering wrong?

 

[Mess]

At what point to people like this get a new hobby? Genuinely curious. It really seems like some only watch the Leafs so they can be miserable and disappointed and post about it lol...and you've always got an excuse to be miserable even when the hockey is decent.

You realize in this scenario you/the perpetual doomers are a worse version of Charlie Brown? Charlie mistakenly believes Lucy will leave the ball in place eventually and that he will get to kick it, whereas you guys come in believing they will lose (the ball will be removed at the last second) but keep coming back to watch (taking a kick at the ball you think won't be there).

Or are some fans just gluttons for punishment and that's as much the "juice" as anything?

I've been a diehard Leafs fan since the 1960's. In fact my parents brought me home from the hospital in a Maple Leafs jumper, because my father was a diehard Leafs fan before me cheering on Syl Apps and Ted Teeder Kennedy prior to my arrival in this world.

I fortunately actually got to see George Armstrong shoot the puck into the empty net putting Leafs up 3-1 in game #6 on their way to the 1967 Stanley Cup and my favourite player Davey Keon win the Conn Smythe and hoist the Stanley Cup [for the last time in 50+ years].

Not sure why you think I'm going anywhere anytime soon, after already putting in 55 years and counting waiting for Leafs next Cup.

By perpetual doomers, you mean Leaf realists that are Correct year after year, that now need the team to prove they can win in the playoffs, and not going to get fooled like Charlie Brown (who has been fooled since the 1950's) until they do,

PS. Get back to me when you have put in 50+ years of cheering for the Leafs and lets talk then what its like being a long suffering Leafs fan.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Appropriately dramatic to this unprecedented stat!

Funny thing is the stat's not even right. We're 3-10 in series-deciding games.
And the biggest issue in those games, especially as we get more recent, has been goaltending disparity, and our goalies this year are entirely different.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So I've taken a more passive wait and see approach to this year, not getting too wrapped up in game to game results, knowing like you it all comes down to playoff results now.

Really? You seemed pretty wrapped up in early season games. I wonder what changed?

 

[Notsince67]

The leafs have the longest cup drought and are the ONLY team to not win 1 single playoff series in the cap era. The team is the joke not only of the NHL, but of all professional sports. I was in Burma with a leaf hat on (before things went completely south) and some villager that I don't even think had electricity started shouting something at me in his language. I didn't understand so he yelled at someone else who came out, they pointed at my hat, and in very broken English the other guy said "1967". Then they both left laughing their asses off. That's a true f***ing story. We are the biggest joke on the planet. Of COURSE many fans are frustrated and bitter. We lose in the first round EVERY freaking year. 0-9 on series clinching games. Fans are acting appropriately.

Your stance is remarkably confusing.

Can you imagine if the leafs just won 5 cups in a row? Imagine all of the posts from literally everybody here was crazy positive and optimistic. It's just people gushing over our great players and management that keeps winning cup after cup after cup. You know, fans acting appropriately.

Then someone like you goes in those threads saying "Why in the world are the fans so positive? What is going on? Why are the fans acting appropriately in response to the product? It makes no sense. We should all be booing their success and complaining." Like, what the hell? What on earth is happening?

Why don't you come back if or when the leafs lose in the playoffs. Right now, there is nothing for you here

 

[leafs in five]

Mess in your mind what is involved in 'cheering for the Leafs' ?

 

[kevsh]

No, you were very much wrong. The Marner contract had nothing to do with the Tavares contract. He got paid what he did because he was one of the best young players in the cap era at time of signing his post-ELC contract, and that's what that level of player gets paid.

Not sure where you are getting this from, sounds like your opinion stated as fact.

1) As of today there is exactly one winger (Left or right) that makes more than Marner's AAV (Panarin). Putting aside his current insane scoring streak, where did Marner rank among all wingers at the time he signed his deal? Even now? For recent comparisons, look at Kucherov and Rantanen's contracts.

2) On what basis are you saying Tavares' contract had "nothing" to do with what Marner got? Or this just a guess? Unless you have some inside information on the actual negotiations between Dubas and Marner's camp?

 

[leafs in five]

I think the elmination games stat being thrown around is games where the Leafs had the chance to eliminate their opponent? which I think is reasonable to dwell on to a point but yeah, it ignores games they won to avoid elimination and also counts game 7s which imo are a bit different

 

[Mess]

Funny thing is the stat's not even right. We're 3-10 in series-deciding games.
And the biggest issue in those games, especially as we get more recent, has been goaltending disparity, and our goalies this year are entirely different.

Maple Leafs Lose 10th Straight Series-Clinching Game As Lightning Advance​

How many series clinching games have the Leafs lost in a row?

The Maple Leafs have now lost 10 straight opportunities to clinch a series, dating back to Game 7 of the 2004 Conference Quarterfinals. Only the Jets/Coyotes from 1990-2012 have lost more consecutive series-clinching games in NHL history (13).

 

[Judas Tavares]

If the leafs start winning cups it will be interesting to see your posts wondering why everyone is so happy. I don't understand what concepts here are confusing. When your team is the biggest joke on the planet and are 0-10 on series clinching games and the only team to not win a playoff series in the cap era, fans will be disgruntled. And if the team succeeds and wins cups, fans will be happy. What on earth is confusing about this?

I think for most in life, the goal is to be happy and invest yourself in things that bring you joy. So if we were all happy, no one would question why. I think we are questioning why something that brings, idk what I'm seeing here, sadness, anger, frustration, embarrassment, is keeping someone invested. Especially when these emotions can't seem to be lifted or dissipated until a certain threshold is achieved.

I expect results too, but won't let this experience torture me throughout the journey. I'll save that for after game 7 and the summer that follows. But 24/7 torture? Not for me.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I've been a diehard Leafs fan since the 1960's. In fact my parents brought me home from the hospital in a Maple Leafs jumper, because my father was a diehard Leafs fan before me cheering on Syl Apps and Ted Teeder Kennedy prior to my arrival in this world.

I fortunately actually got to see George Armstrong shot the puck into the empty net putting Leafs up 3-1 in game #6 on their way to the 1967 Stanley Cup and my favourite player Davey Keon win the Conn Smythe and hoist the Stanley Cup [for the last time in 50+ years].

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Not sure why you think I'm going anywhere anytime soon, after already putting in 55 years and counting waiting for Leafs next Cup.

By perpetual doomers, you mean Leaf realists that are Correct year after year, that now need the team to prove they can win in the playoffs, and not going to get fooled like Charlie Brown (who has been fooled since the 1950's) until they do,

PS. Get back to me when you have put in 50+ years of cheering for the Leafs and lets talk then what its like being a long suffering Leafs fan.

There was one season where the fanbase was united. When the all-rookie team snuck into the playoffs. Our future was so bright and literally everybody was crazy excited.

Then the Marleau contract was signed which signified (in typical mlse style) a premature ending of the rebuild. That created a small divide. But then the unprecedented dramatic overpayments occurred. A large portion of the fanbase was smart enough to know that it signified that the team would be good, but would never have the depth to be great. (which is proven as 100% true post season after post season after post season). And that mega divide still marches on.

 

[Dekes For Days]

1) As of today there is exactly one winger (Left or right) that makes more than Marner's AAV (Panarin). Putting aside his current insane scoring streak, where did Marner rank among all wingers at the time he signed his deal? Even now? For recent comparisons, look at Kucherov and Rantanen's contracts.
2) On what basis are you saying Tavares' contract had "nothing" to do with what Marner got?

Post-ELC contracts have nothing to do with UFA contracts and never have. The only way Tavares impacted Marner was that it made it harder for Babcock to continue neutering Marner.
Marner received the 10th highest value post-ELC forward contract in the cap era, and the 6th highest value post-ELC winger contract, term considered.
He was, at worst, the 6th best forward and 2nd best winger, at the time of signing a post-ELC contract in the cap era.

 

[leafs in five]

Maple Leafs Lose 10th Straight Series-Clinching Game As Lightning Advance​

How many series clinching games have the Leafs lost in a row?

The Maple Leafs have now lost 10 straight opportunities to clinch a series, dating back to Game 7 of the 2004 Conference Quarterfinals. Only the Jets/Coyotes from 1990-2012 have lost more consecutive series-clinching games in NHL history (13).

what has a result in 2004 or 2013 to do with This Group?