While I don't often agree with wide ranging prospect rankings, I appreciate that someone is trying to not only quantify it, but put it in front of the rabid cross-section of hockey fans who are into debating that sort of thing.
Wheeler’s Top 100 prospects
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MMC
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This dude is such an unbelievable asshat. This shtick of overrating guys from every most recent draft in every rankings is so corny
I mean... it's what most fans do too. When guys get into the harder, less flashy part of development (like being in their first year or two in the AHL), guys drop on lists like a stone in favor of the latest and greatest.
MMC
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I hold people who make a living out of writing about this stuff for a major publication to a higher standard than the average fan
Hockeyville USA
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Do you believe Edvinsson to have much better defensive skills than Nikishin? It would seem that Nikishin has a bit higher of offensive ceiling even though he's 2 birthyears older than Edvinsson.
This isn't entirely fair. New draft classes will always be more represented in these lists because none of them will be in the NHL. Most, if not all, of the top picks from previous classes will be considered graduated.
Every fan base will know their guys better than anyone, so everyone will feel aggrieved. Most of the time we end up very wrong as well and we only focus on the 20 or so prospects from our favorite team.
newfy
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Yes. Edvinsson is dominant defensively and in transition. Hes a 6'7 220 lb athletic freak that was picked 6th overall for a reason. All hes done since being drafted there is live up to/exceed expectations.
No reason a guy drafted that much lower should have passed him in a completely tier unless youre just reading their hockeydb pages
Hockeyville USA
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Wheeler tends to favor the points producers over the all around Ryan McDonagh types. Not saying it's right, just the reality of it. And many probably rank Edvinsson a bit lower than he probably should because his offensive ceiling is still in question.
I wouldn't say he's exceeded offensive expectations. If he had, he would be putting up 46 points in 54 games in the A, in that range.
For some reason it suddenly occurred to me that Dallas was the team that supposedly had Edvinsson #1.
High praise from a team with their recent draft history.
He has also posted his goalie rankings
1. Wallstedt
2. Askarov
3. Fowler
4. Knight
5. Levi
6. Wolf
7. Cossa
8. Augustine
Only two guys from 2024 where Nabokov at #11 and George at #17
(Hard to argue with top couple of guys, but some random names in back half)
1. Wallstedt
2. Askarov
3. Fowler
4. Knight
5. Levi
6. Wolf
7. Cossa
8. Augustine
Only two guys from 2024 where Nabokov at #11 and George at #17
(Hard to argue with top couple of guys, but some random names in back half)
Hockeyville USA
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I wouldn't rank Knight that high considering the stops and starts in his development plus the fact that his SV% in the A wasn't that great this past year.
I would have something like
Wallstedt
Askarov
Fowler
Hrabal
Augustine
Lindbom
Levi
Cossa
Yegerov
Portillo
Nabakov
Gidlof
Wolf
Gajan
Dobes
Clara
George
(but then I look back at my old goalie rankings and am reminded why I don't normally post them)
He's in the highest tier, outside of Celebrini.
I wouldn't call that disrespect.
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It checks out. Let's assume every draft class is equal.
From 2020: 40 guys have graduated to NHL regulars. If you're a 2020 prospect and not graduated yet, you're probably outside of the top 30 in the class, and so probably behind every 1st rounder from this year
From 2021: 11 of the top guys have graduated, and so if you aren't graduated yet, you probably fall behind all the guys drafted top 10-12 or so.
From 2022: 4 guys have graduated (Nemec is for some reason like 2 games short), if you haven't graduated yet, you probably aren't a top 5 guy compared to the class.
From 2023: 4 guys have graduated, if you haven't graduated yet, you probably aren't in the top 3 of your class.
Let's say the top 10 guys from each class make up a top 50.
Now take out the graduated guys.
You now have:
0 guys from 2020
0 guys from 2021
6 guys from 2022
6 guys from 2023
10 guys from 2024
And instead of an even list, now nearly 50% of the list is recent picks.
The best prospects graduate. Simple as that
He's also the oldest guy here basically.
Is what Nikishin is doing in the KHL more impressive than Faber, Sanderson, Guhle, Laf, Mercer, Jarvis, Lundell, Stutzle, Byfield, Peterka, etc etc etc have done in the NHL?
Is he a top 10 guy in his own class?
In this he's being placed behind just 5 guys from this 2024 draft class
Top 100 by junior league
USHL 22
WHL 18
OHL 15
QMJHL 6
Jr A 3
Sweden 15
Russia 10
Finland 4
Czech 3
Germany 1
Slovakia 1
Switzerland 1
Norway 1
Top-100 by Nationality
Canada 43
USA 21
Sweden 11
Russia 10
Finland 4
Czech 3
Norway 2
Austria 2
Slovakia 2
Germany 1
Belarus 1
USHL 22
WHL 18
OHL 15
QMJHL 6
Jr A 3
Sweden 15
Russia 10
Finland 4
Czech 3
Germany 1
Slovakia 1
Switzerland 1
Norway 1
Top-100 by Nationality
Canada 43
USA 21
Sweden 11
Russia 10
Finland 4
Czech 3
Norway 2
Austria 2
Slovakia 2
Germany 1
Belarus 1
newfy
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Yep. Edvinssons surgery this year kinda threw a wrench into things but Nill and the guys in Dallas had him number one on their entire draft board according to Nill himself. Now all hes done is be really good and hes falling in these rankings because he isnt the shiny new toy
No one on that list is random if you follow prospects at all lol.
Cossa just had a better statistical season than Wallstedt or Askarov have ever had in North America and was drafted higher than Wallstedt in the same draft but hes 5 spots behind both doesnt make any sense.
Fowler cant get into the net over Augustine in the WJC and doesnt sniff the mens worlds but hes also 5spots ahead... once again doesnt make a lot of sense
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Steazy Doo
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No one said the Habs don't have good prospects. You had 4 Habs in the top 18. See where Joshua Roy is ranked?
Mrb1p
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Where would you rank someone you think had the potential to be a 60 points player with great supporting qualities as of this year? Have you ever figured maybe I'm just very high on Roy and not actually an homer? If I wanted to be a homer I would've included Hage and Beck.
Sombastate
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Who is the German he has on the list? Is he still including Reichel as a prospect or is it Lutz?
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