HawksDub89
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Nice. What an opportunity to take a potshot at the Habs! Grow up kid.
You need a diaper change?
Nice. What an opportunity to take a potshot at the Habs! Grow up kid.
Immediately recalling that year he had Poehling/Mete/Juulsen in his Top 40.
"I am not a homer!"
Ru observers view on Nikishin:Yes. Edvinsson is dominant defensively and in transition. Hes a 6'7 220 lb athletic freak that was picked 6th overall for a reason. All hes done since being drafted there is live up to/exceed expectations.
No reason a guy drafted that much lower should have passed him in a completely tier unless youre just reading their hockeydb pages
Celebrini absutelt has a higher ceiling than Demidov.They are not Habs yet ranking Sennecke and Lindstrom so low makes him not worth my time.
Further, no one called Celebrini generational so i don't see him that high. Yes, he's got a very high floor but his ceiling is not better then Michkov or Demidov.
Whatever. It seems like a dartboard then any deep insight.
Michkov is going to be better than CelebriniThey are not Habs yet ranking Sennecke and Lindstrom so low makes him not worth my time.
Further, no one called Celebrini generational so i don't see him that high. Yes, he's got a very high floor but his ceiling is not better then Michkov or Demidov.
Whatever. It seems like a dartboard then any deep insight.
Yeah but different players. I like Celebrini's ceiling as a center.Michkov is going to be better than Celebrini
The quality of drafts by analysts is based on the top of the draft.So just for someone like me doesn’t have time to analyze hockey prospects:
What happened with the general consensus that the 2023 draft would be legendary, while the 2024 draft would be “meh”? Is this just a case of overhype for 2023 or 2024 having “shiny new toy” syndrome?
Ah. So the top talent is similar minus Bedard, but 2023 was just deeper.The quality of drafts by analysts is based on the top of the draft.
Celebrini would have been on the same tier as Fantilli and Carlsson, the dmen of this draft would've been on the same tier (except maybe 1) as Reinbacher or what's his face drafted by Zona.
Last year has a bigger run of talent and this year the quality fell a bit sooner.
Edit:
Look at it this way, your up to draft and you can pick between Leonard and Sennecke, who are you picking? Leonard went 8oa, Sennecke went 3rd.
This is his blurb on him: "Guenther is a beautiful skating winger who slices through holes and dashes past flat-footed defenders to create looks and advantages. He’s a flowing player who excels in transition, crossing over to build speed, attacking on angles across the line and breezing through neutral ice in possession to make plays off the rush. And while he uses a pretty high grip on his stick, his quick hands flash side to side, he catches pucks into a shooting stance out of cuts with a silky touch, and his shot is threatening from midrange because of its accuracy, variety (the curl-and-drag, the direct wrister and the one-timer) and power (which has increased enough to be a weapon from long range fairly consistently now).Caught a glimpse of some of the rankings and remembered why I don’t subscribe to the Athletic.
The recency bias is wild. How did Guenther drop to 31? The guy just came off 35 points in 48 NHL games and a point per game in the AHL
Bedard was overhyped (mostly rightfully so) because he's Canadian, got Exceptional Status/played in the CHL. Celebrini was underhyped as he played in the USHL and then NCAA; if he stayed home and played in the Dub, he would have gotten more hype.So just for someone like me doesn’t have time to analyze hockey prospects:
What happened with the general consensus that the 2023 draft would be legendary, while the 2024 draft would be “meh”? Is this just a case of overhype for 2023 or 2024 having “shiny new toy” syndrome?
Ah. So the top talent is similar minus Bedard, but 2023 was just deeper.
Thanks for posting this!This is his blurb on him: "Guenther is a beautiful skating winger who slices through holes and dashes past flat-footed defenders to create looks and advantages. He’s a flowing player who excels in transition, crossing over to build speed, attacking on angles across the line and breezing through neutral ice in possession to make plays off the rush. And while he uses a pretty high grip on his stick, his quick hands flash side to side, he catches pucks into a shooting stance out of cuts with a silky touch, and his shot is threatening from midrange because of its accuracy, variety (the curl-and-drag, the direct wrister and the one-timer) and power (which has increased enough to be a weapon from long range fairly consistently now).
He has also gotten stronger, adding to his multifaceted offensive package off the flank. Inside the offensive zone, his ability to handle the puck in traffic, play pucks into space and shape and hide his shot all impress. So he’s not only capable of transporting the puck and leading the rush, but he also has the offensive acumen to make things happen once the play slows down inside the offensive zone. Add in good control of his inside and outside edges and the ability to shoot from multiple stances and there’s a lot to like about his upside as a second-line winger. There are times when I’d like to see him drive play more at five-on-five than he does, and that has kept him a little lower on this list than where most would have him, but that will hopefully come with reps, confidence and maturity."
And Michkov. Not even closeCelebrini absutelt has a higher ceiling than Demidov.
Yeah this is what I was used to reading when the 2023 draft arrived. Hence my original question. Obviously I’m learning that there are varying opinions on the matter, which just makes it more interesting to see how these players actually perform.Not really.
2023 had 5 players that reasonably could've gone #1 this year over Celebrini. (Though Michkov likely wouldn't have because oooh scary Russian)
I guess my question is more about picks 2 and beyond in these drafts. For example, in your opinion how do guys like Levshunov or Demidov stack up to the 4 guys that you mentioned from 2023, or say Reinbacher at no 5?Bedard was overhyped (mostly rightfully so) because he's Canadian, got Exceptional Status/played in the CHL. Celebrini was underhyped as he played in the USHL and then NCAA; if he stayed home and played in the Dub, he would have gotten more hype.
2023 had Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, and Smith, whereas there wasn't a consensus number 2 player (pretty varied top 5-10) in 2024 for most of the year.
Levshunov and Demidov are behind the 4 I mentioned but ahead of Reinbacher for sure.I guess my question is more about picks 2 and beyond in these drafts. For example, in your opinion how do guys like Levshunov or Demidov stack up to the 4 guys that you mentioned from 2023, or say Reinbacher at no 5?
Demidov would fall behind all of the forwards taken in the top 7: Bedard, Leo, Fantilli, Smith, MichkovI guess my question is more about picks 2 and beyond in these drafts. For example, in your opinion how do guys like Levshunov or Demidov stack up to the 4 guys that you mentioned from 2023, or say Reinbacher at no 5?
Combined draft board top 10 likely goes like:Levshunov and Demidov are behind the 4 I mentioned but ahead of Reinbacher for sure.
I would put Lindstrom ahead of Danielson every day of the week, presuming Lindstrom is fully healthy.Demidov would fall behind all of the forwards taken in the top 7: Bedard, Leo, Fantilli, Smith, Michkov
Levshunov likely would have been the 1st dman off the board. I think quite any number of Silayev, Dickinson, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Parekh, Buium, could have reasonably went before both Reinbacher and Simashev.
Combined draft board top 10 likely goes like:
Bedard, Leo, Fantilli, Smith, Levshunov (number 1 RD to MTL), Silayev (Number 1 LD to Utah), Michkov, Demidov, Leonard, Danielson (maybe Lindstrom here)
At the risk of being called a homer, most of the chatter I've heard since about May has put Celebrini firmly in the #2 spot behind Bedard, or at least a conversation vs. Michkov, but probably edges Fantilli and Carlsson. So I don't think 2023 had 5 players that reasonably could've gone #1 over Celebrini.Not really.
2023 had 5 players that reasonably could've gone #1 this year over Celebrini. (Though Michkov likely wouldn't have because oooh scary Russian)
Demidov would fall behind all of the forwards taken in the top 7: Bedard, Leo, Fantilli, Smith, Michkov
Levshunov likely would have been the 1st dman off the board. I think quite any number of Silayev, Dickinson, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Parekh, Buium, could have reasonably went before both Reinbacher and Simashev.
Combined draft board top 10 likely goes like:
Bedard, Leo, Fantilli, Smith, Levshunov (number 1 RD to MTL), Silayev (Number 1 LD to Utah), Michkov, Demidov, Leonard, Danielson (maybe Lindstrom here)
2024 is like if you took out Bedard and Carlsson and you didn't have talents like Perreault, ASP, Musty, Benson, Ritchie, Nadeau, Gulyayev, Cowan, Yager, and Molendyk in the mid-late 1st.Ah. So the top talent is similar minus Bedard, but 2023 was just deeper.
2023 had exactly one player that reasonably would have gone over Celebrini.Not really.
2023 had 5 players that reasonably could've gone #1 this year over Celebrini. (Though Michkov likely wouldn't have because oooh scary Russian)
Forgot celebrini lmao. He'd go anywhere from 2-4.At the risk of being called a homer, most of the chatter I've heard since about May has put Celebrini firmly in the #2 spot behind Bedard, or at least a conversation vs. Michkov, but probably edges Fantilli and Carlsson. So I don't think 2023 had 5 players that reasonably could've gone #1 over Celebrini.
To that point, where's Celebrini? And, hard to understand how you have Silayev ahead of Michkov, Demidov, Leonard, and Danielson when Tij, Yak, Catton, Parekh went before him.
Feels like a more realistic combined draft goes:
Bedard, Celebrini/Fantilli/Carlsson in some order, Smith, Levshunov, Michkov, Lindstrom/Demidov, Leonard, Iginla, Yak/Parekh (went to a baker's dozen for fun).