Whats the argument that Sweden still is a hockey-power?

[Eye of Ra]

Esa Lindell, Finlands no 2 wouldnt even have a place on the bench in Sweden. Seen him in Dallas and he has looked really weak at times. Made 2 mistakes that cost goals in the beginning of 1 game this playoff. Seems slow but often positionally OK. Miro is the only one I would want in Sweden , the rest is far behind what Sweden could muster if you ask me.

Forsling is a new star that plays defense almost perfectly. Just look at what he has done in playoffs this year. Look at +/- and how much time he plays and against stacked teams like Boston, Toronto and Carolina he got those numbers.

So this is just as stupid as most of your other posts, Ra

You are probaly swedish. Try to be objective. Objectively Finland has MUCH stronger D-core than Sweden.

And it's your job to educate them?

How you haven't been infracted yet for this stuff is what amazes me.

Why not?

Im not breaking any rules. Its allowed to discuss if nations declined or improved. You can ignore my posts if they annoy you.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Does anyone care about the world championships? I don't think Swedish players have really given a crap about that tournament since the time of the Sedins, Sundin, and Forsberg.

Latvia cares.

 

[matsqq]

You are probaly swedish. Try to be objective. Objectively Finland has MUCH stronger D-core than Sweden.

And you are most certainly a finn living in Sweden who can't stand that Sweden always has been more successful than Finland.
And therefore you pretend to be Swedish an post these stupid things to discredit Sweden.
Just take a look at your posting history and everyone can see it.

Hockey is not a big sport but even there Sweden has won the real best-on-best and Finland has not. In the last best-on-best Finland was the worst of all teams an Sweden and Russia came on top of the European countries.

If we go to the largest sport in the world football. Sweden has got silver, bronze, bronze and recently was among the 8 best in the WC. Whereas Finland hasnt even qualified to take part , ever.

 

[ViD]

Honesty, I’m not sure why everyone is so irritated with @Eye of Ra , he might exaggerate things a bit by saying things like Switzerland surpassed Sweden, but he’s got a point - Sweden hockey definitely regressed.

Sweden can’t even make it to the semis in the last 4 WHC (2 without Russia), Sweden only has 2 bronze medals in the 4 last WJHC (2 without Russia). There’s still plenty of Swedish players in the NHL, but most of them are supporting and role players with very few true superstars.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Latvia cares.

everyone who is playing is caring otherwise they would not play

Honesty, I’m not sure why everyone is so irritated with @Eye of Ra , he might exaggerate things a bit by saying things like Switzerland surpassed Sweden, but he’s got a point - Sweden hockey definitely regressed.

Sweden can’t even make it to the semis in the last 4 WHC (2 without Russia), Sweden only has 2 bronze medals in the WJHC (2 without Russia). There’s still plenty of Swedish players in the NHL, but most of them are supporting and role players with very few true superstars.

Thanks.

And yes exactly.

I would say we are the same level as Switzerland, Germany. Slovakia and Czechia. Tier 2.

Canada, USA, Finland, Russia for sure tier 1. There is a big 4 right now.

 

[DomBarr]

Couldn't agree more. I mean look at their best possible defense. You can't because they have no defense. Only 4th forwards like Karlsson and Dahlin who makes 10 terrible mistakes every game few points can't make up. At least Germany has Seider and Switzerland has Josi

hmm...the other side is at least Sweden can ice a really good NHL caliber defensive team (6 plus 2 spares)
Hedman (TB), Karlsson (SJ), Dahlin (Buff), Ekholm (Edm), Andersson (Cgy), Lindholm (BOS), Brodin (Minn), Larsson (Seattle),

 

[Eye of Ra]

hmm...the other side is at least Sweden can ice a really good NHL caliber defensive team (6 plus 2 spares)
Hedman (TB), Karlsson (SJ), Dahlin (Buff), Ekholm (Edm), Andersson (Cgy), Lindholm (BOS), Brodin (Minn), Larsson (Seattle),

Good NHL caliber in the offensive zone yes, but pure shit at defending. Swedish Ds is weaker than Germany, Slovakia, Switzerland and Czechias Ds. But forwards and goalies is even.

 

[Kahvi]

Still? you think it was at some point?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Still? you think it was at some point?

yes in the 90s and until around 2018, even thought we chocked alot during that timespan

 

[Kahvi]

yes in the 90s and until around 2018, even thought we chocked alot during that timespan

Well honestly I dont follow swedish hockey that much but there's one swedish poster here, nose of moon, if I remember correctly. I trust that poster's opinions and he says that SHL is the 7th best in Europe and Swedish junior program is on level with Romania, so it's hard to think that kind of nation would have ever been a hockey power.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Honesty, I’m not sure why everyone is so irritated with @Eye of Ra , he might exaggerate things a bit by saying things like Switzerland surpassed Sweden, but he’s got a point - Sweden hockey definitely regressed.

Sweden can’t even make it to the semis in the last 4 WHC (2 without Russia), Sweden only has 2 bronze medals in the 4 last WJHC (2 without Russia). There’s still plenty of Swedish players in the NHL, but most of them are supporting and role players with very few true superstars.

I think most people can agree that it's been a bit of a rut for the national team the past few years, but Eye of Ra exaggerates (saying they are now on par with Germany, Switzerland and Slovakia which by no objective measure is true) and does the same ol' same ol' routine. As long as Sweden is one of a handful of nations consistently churning out NHL quality players, they will still be a "hockey power". I suppose by some people's definition, the only hockey power is Canada and everyone is just skirting by.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I think most people can agree that it's been a bit of a rut for the national team the past few years, but Eye of Ra exaggerates (saying they are now on par with Germany, Switzerland and Slovakia which by no objective measure is true) and does the same ol' same ol' routine. As long as Sweden is one of a handful of nations consistently churning out NHL quality players, they will still be a "hockey power". I suppose by some people's definition, the only hockey power is Canada and everyone is just skirting by.

As VID said, most of them are supporting and role players with very few true superstars. And horrible defenders. While Can, Fin, US, Russia have lots of superstars and strong defenders. Cant compare Sweden with the big 4 anymore. Sweden is lacking superstars and depth to be held in the same tier as rus, can, us and fin.

in 2019 Sweden had a team with many good NHLers in WC and still got kicked out in QF

 

[ZEBROA]

Dahlin getting heat from finns for being poor defensivly has nothing to do with "Sweden hating". Its a fact that he is bad at defending. Everyone says this about him, no matter what nations they are from.

Im not doing any baiting, im serious. I dont want people to praise Sweden. I want people to wake up and realise Sweden have regresed. People are living in the past. Sweden was once a good hockey country, but we are not anymore. Its true i brought this topic up several times, but its becuse all my threads gets destroyed by paranoid people. It would be nice to have a serious debate about this topic.


Andrae was not in this WC. I guess you are thinking about Andre Petersson?

Having our best on best squad in WC would not be enough to get pat qf, thats how much we have regressed. Look at wc 2019 as an exemple.

Andre my bad.

We would have gone past Latvia if EP and Nylander was here. And no one was injured.

 

[Eye of Ra]

We would have gone past Latvia if EP and Nylander was here. And no one was injured.

I highly doubt that. In 2019 we had full of good NHL players and still got kicked out in qf by Finland who had a roster filled with liiga and KHL players.

 

[matsqq]

hmm...the other side is at least Sweden can ice a really good NHL caliber defensive team (6 plus 2 spares)
Hedman (TB), Karlsson (SJ), Dahlin (Buff), Ekholm (Edm), Andersson (Cgy), Lindholm (BOS), Brodin (Minn), Larsson (Seattle),

You still left Forsling outside of that team, he is +9 and has second most playing time in Florida (current best NHL team) , third best plus/minus in the team (against teams like Boston, Toronto and Carolina), going to the Stanley Cup final . A new defensive superstar if you ask me, seen him play !

Finlands Esa Lindell who is ranked second among Finnish defenders has the worst +/- in the team, -9 and has played teams like Seattle, injured Minnesota etc. I seen him play and he makes some mistakes that cost Dallas a lot - as I said he wouldn't have a place on the swedish bench even.

 

[ViD]

I highly doubt that. In 2019 we had full of good NHL players and still got kicked out in qf by Finland who had a roster filled with liiga and KHL players.

That Finnish team defeated pretty much Russian Olympic team in semi final as well and then on to win gold against Canada

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Sweden has the weakest high-end core of several decades right now.

Finland has probably surpassed us.

 

[ViD]

Sweden has the weakest high-end core of several decades right now.

Finland has probably surpassed us.

Finnish defense and wingers are pretty average though

 

[DomBarr]

You still left Forsling outside of that team, he is +9 and has second most playing time in Florida (current best NHL team) , third best plus/minus in the team (against teams like Boston, Toronto and Carolina), going to the Stanley Cup final . A new defensive superstar if you ask me, seen him play !

Finlands Esa Lindell who is ranked second among Finnish defenders has the worst +/- in the team, -9 and has played teams like Seattle, injured Minnesota etc. I seen him play and he makes some mistakes that cost Dallas a lot - as I said he wouldn't have a place on the swedish bench even.

sure he works as well.

 

[57special]

I am still adjusting to Eye of Ra's new avatar. The other one perfectly represented his edgy posting style, and I am at a loss as to why he changed it.

 

[ZEBROA]

I highly doubt that. In 2019 we had full of good NHL players and still got kicked out in qf by Finland who had a roster filled with liiga and KHL players.

Better coach, better structure on D this time. What this team lacked was EP or W. Nylander. Or Kempe, even better in some ways.

KHL and Liiga is still better then Latvia player by player. And Latvia did not have the same defensive gameplan as Finland.

Nhl players dont automatic make a great team, you need realy good depth pieces to. Maby that was missing 2019.

 

[Snauen]

Finnish defense and wingers are pretty average though

While Eye of Ra should be banned merely for his lame attitude and uninspiring posts. It is good for hockey that Latvia beat Sweden. They were playing with passion infront of a very passionate crowd.
Swedish crowds AND PLAYERS have lost that passion. It was a fair result and its fair to call Sweden a not great hockeynation as long as they play like this, infront of crowds dressed in buissiness suits and as long as the best players decline to come and represent.
Its on them , its them who are the best, yet wont show up when it matters to people (not paychecks), they and their Nhl-teams and the NHL are the ones to blame for the boring Swedish NT-hockey, that could have been a treat to watch!

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Silver at Ivan halkina and under18. Gold at under18 last year. Tons of top end skill in the NHL.

Personally I feel like the modern Sweden teams are too passive. They seem to try to win every game 1-0 which makes lower tier countries feel like they can beat them.

 

[Eye of Ra]

That Finnish team defeated pretty much Russian Olympic team in semi final as well and then on to win gold against Canada

the difference is that it was luck against Russia while against Sweden they dominated completly.

Silver at Ivan halkina and under18. Gold at under18 last year. Tons of top end skill in the NHL.

Personally I feel like the modern Sweden teams are too passive. They seem to try to win every game 1-0 which makes lower tier countries feel like they can beat them.

Sweden doing good at U18 yes, but not on any other level.

Tons of good players in NHL but not even close to the amount of stars that Canada, USA, Finland and Russia have.

The problem is that if we dont play that passive we are gonna lose every game with a couple of goals. We are not good at defending. Playing offensive hockey will give too much space to our enemies to feast on.

 

[Mattb124]

Why are you nitpicking ? Look at Russia, US, Sweden, Czech rosters, they were all loaded. There’s nothing even close in this tournament.

Nitpicking? In response to the comment “they were as close as possible to the Olympic squads” I made a list including the 9 highest scoring Canadian forwards in the NHL that season. Not one was on the Canadian IIHF world team. Ergo, not as close as possible, or really close at all.

Well Gaudreau and Wheeler weren’t eligible for Canada since they’re both American. I agree with your point though

Technicalities.

Good catch, was rushing through that post to get onto other, equally pointless items in my to-do list.