TSN: What's holding up Kopitar's new contract? (MOD WARNING) post #205

[KINGS17]

Kopitar had 2 less years of UFA.

You don't think Kopitar is looking at Kane's 13.8M salary this year compared to Kopi's $7.7M salary and thinking, damn, shouldn't have given up that extra year of UFA?

Cause Kane isn't $6.1M better than Kopitar.

Given that the salary cap will be stagnant for some time, and with everyone expecting continued growth in the cap at the time Kane and Toews were signed, Kane and Toews are not worth the money they are getting.

Using the Kane and Toews contracts as a comp for any new contract is a bad idea.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Really? Do WE all know it's going to be 8 years? There might be a poster or 2 out there.

If you read just about anything McKenzie and Dreger have posted over the last 5 months, that's what they say.

 

[KINGS17]

That's pretty much the AAV I predicted months ago. Realistically, it's the best we can hope for.

Also known as overpayment, and almost the worst that could happen. Guess we'll be rooting for another work stoppage in 4 or 5 years so the owners can clean up the mess the GMs have made yet again.

 

[driller1]

Given that the salary cap will be stagnant for some time, and with everyone expecting continued growth in the cap at the time Kane and Toews were signed, Kane and Toews are not worth the money they are getting.

Using the Kane and Toews contracts as a comp for any new contract is a bad idea.

Point being… Kane's 2nd contract was 5 years and Kopi's was 7 years. Of course Kane made less money on the 2nd contract since Kopi gave up 2 extra years of UFA.

However, I was illustrating the point that Kane is making up for those 2 years in his current contract.

 

[damacles1156]

Also known as overpayment, and almost the worst that could happen. Guess we'll be rooting for another work stoppage in 4 or 5 years so the owners can clean up the mess the GMs have made yet again.

This will happen anyway. The GM's have to constantly save themselves, from themselves.

Seems like about the same news last few weeks on Kopitar.

 

[KINGS17]

This will happen anyway. The GM's have to constantly save themselves, from themselves.

Seems like about the same news last few weeks on Kopitar.

Yeah, seems like some in the media keep saying a signing is imminent, while others (including Kopitar's agent) say nothing has changed and it's still a stalemate.

Dean loses nothing by waiting IMO.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

Kopitar had 2 less years of UFA.

You don't think Kopitar is looking at Kane's 13.8M salary this year compared to Kopi's $7.7M salary and thinking, damn, shouldn't have given up that extra year of UFA?

Cause Kane isn't $6.1M better than Kopitar.

We were talking about the past , not the present or future. Please keep it in the past

 

[Fishhead]

If they end up around 9.5 in some way or another, I think that's a number that most wouldn't be really upset or really happy with. Which means it's probably a fair number.

I'm just happy that Kopi has been taking the puck to the middle more the last few games and looks like the Kopitar of old.

 

[Ron*]

If they end up around 9.5 in some way or another, I think that's a number that most wouldn't be really upset or really happy with. Which means it's probably a fair number.

This.

 

[driller1]

We were talking about the past , not the present or future. Please keep it in the past

My friend… It's pretty much timeless… More UFA years bought out = higher AAV on that 2nd contract.

Kopi's gonna get paid on his next contract. $9.75M X 8 is what it's going to take. At least we'll be contenders for the next 3-4 years. Sit back and enjoy...

 

[damacles1156]

My friend… It's pretty much timeless… More UFA years bought out = higher AAV on that 2nd contract.

Kopi's gonna get paid on his next contract. $9.75M X 8 is what it's going to take. At least we'll be contenders for the next 3-4 years. Sit back and enjoy...

That's probably close to what it will end up being, about 9.75 million.

Good call.

 

[KINGS17]

My friend… It's pretty much timeless… More UFA years bought out = higher AAV on that 2nd contract.

Kopi's gonna get paid on his next contract. $9.75M X 8 is what it's going to take. At least we'll be contenders for the next 3-4 years. Sit back and enjoy...

I'm not completely on board with this statement, but I hope it's true. The Pacific Division is bad, bad, bad this year. I wouldn't use the Kings standing within the Pacific as evidence that they are solid contenders for the cup.
I think that with Sutter behind the bench that they can grind their way deep into the playoffs. Their 1st round opponent is going to be tough.

I think that with the salary cap likely being stagnant for the next couple years, and the substantial Kopitar raise (which his recent production doesn't warrant), Dean will be hard pressed to provide the depth that has been to the Kings advantage in the playoffs in 2012 - 2014.

Nothing has happened yet though with the contract, so I guess we will see.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm not completely on board with this statement, but I hope it's true.

I think that with the salary cap likely being stagnant for the next couple years, and the substantial Kopitar raise (which his recent production doesn't warrant), Dean will be hard pressed to provide the depth that has been to the Kings advantage in the playoffs in 2012 - 2014.

Nothing has happened yet though with the contract, so I guess we will see.

100% agree with this whether Kopitar's production warrants that or not.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

My friend… It's pretty much timeless… More UFA years bought out = higher AAV on that 2nd contract.
.

None of this has anything to do with Kane and Sedin being a better player than Kopitar while making less money for the first few years of the contract. You are trying to take this debate to a position of strength for you that has nothing to do with what was being talked about.

Just admit you were wrong.

 

[tsanuri]

None of this has anything to do with Kane and Sedin being a better player than Kopitar while making less money for the first few years of the contract. You are trying to take this debate to a position of strength for you that has nothing to do with what was being talked about.

Just admit you were wrong.

It actually has everything to do with it. If the UFA years weren't bought the dollar amount would have gone down. So Kane using 1 year vs Kopi using 3 raised his overall cap hit.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

It actually has everything to do with it. If the UFA years weren't bought the dollar amount would have gone down. So Kane using 1 year vs Kopi using 3 raised his overall cap hit.

This is what happens when people don't read entire discussions and cherry pick individual parts.
The first few years of Kopi's contract were what was being discussed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/chicago-blackhawks/patrick-kane/cash-earnings/

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/los-angeles-kings/anze-kopitar/cash-earnings/

Besides Sedin making less nullifies any of your free agent years arguments since he is old

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I'm not completely on board with this statement, but I hope it's true. The Pacific Division is bad, bad, bad this year. I wouldn't use the Kings standing within the Pacific as evidence that they are solid contenders for the cup.
I think that with Sutter behind the bench that they can grind their way deep into the playoffs. Their 1st round opponent is going to be tough.

I think that with the salary cap likely being stagnant for the next couple years, and the substantial Kopitar raise (which his recent production doesn't warrant), Dean will be hard pressed to provide the depth that has been to the Kings advantage in the playoffs in 2012 - 2014.

Nothing has happened yet though with the contract, so I guess we will see.

What about the Kings record of 6-1 against the Central? That's the division everyone is claiming is the best in the league now.

At this point in time, I'd have to say that the Kings are in fact contenders. They are passing the eye test, they are at the top of the division and from what people are saying, their advanced stats check out as well (I don't follow advance stats). Unless there is a significant drop off in play from the key players, they should be a contender for the next few years minimally.

I agree that the depth will be an issue but Chicago is going through the same thing although you could argue it's worse there. That's one thing that is exciting about this season. There is no clear cut favorite in the West but I guess you have to defer to Chicago until they prove otherwise.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

What about the Kings record of 6-1 against the Central? That's the division everyone is claiming is the best in the league now.

At this point in time, I'd have to say that the Kings are in fact contenders. They are passing the eye test, they are at the top of the division and from what people are saying, their advanced stats check out as well (I don't follow advance stats). Unless there is a significant drop off in play from the key players.....

or anyone else gets arrested........

 

[Buddy The Elf]

or anyone else gets arrested........

Haha.. true!

 

[driller1]

None of this has anything to do with Kane and Sedin being a better player than Kopitar while making less money for the first few years of the contract. You are trying to take this debate to a position of strength for you that has nothing to do with what was being talked about.

Just admit you were wrong.

Kopitar made $6, $6, $6.4 the first 3 years of his 2nd contract
Kane made $6.5, $6, $6 the first 3 years of his 2nd contract

Dude, you're just wrong...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What about the Kings record of 6-1 against the Central? That's the division everyone is claiming is the best in the league now.

At this point in time, I'd have to say that the Kings are in fact contenders. They are passing the eye test, they are at the top of the division and from what people are saying, their advanced stats check out as well (I don't follow advance stats). Unless there is a significant drop off in play from the key players, they should be a contender for the next few years minimally.

I agree that the depth will be an issue but Chicago is going through the same thing although you could argue it's worse there. That's one thing that is exciting about this season. There is no clear cut favorite in the West but I guess you have to defer to Chicago until they prove otherwise.

I said this in another thread, but you can't cheapen the Kings' performance just because they're in the pacific, because they've been average against the Pacific and good elsewhere.

Kings are 6th overall in the league with a game or two in hand on others. 3rd in the conference. 2nd best goal differential in the west. In first by a significant margin in CF%. And that's with low PDO and all the things people seem to think are wrong with this team right now.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

Kopitar made $6, $6, $6.4 the first 3 years of his 2nd contract
Kane made $6.5, $6, $6 the first 3 years of his 2nd contract

Dude, you're just wrong...

And Kane was better...and you are still leaving Sedin out

 

[The Night King]

I said this in another thread, but you can't cheapen the Kings' performance just because they're in the pacific, because they've been average against the Pacific and good elsewhere.

Kings are 6th overall in the league with a game or two in hand on others. 3rd in the conference. 2nd best goal differential in the west. In first by a significant margin in CF%. And that's with low PDO and all the things people seem to think are wrong with this team right now.

Yep. If the Kings aren't "solid contenders", then I'd like to know which teams are.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I honestly don't see the reason to worry about cap in 4 plusyears from now. Lots of things can change this Canadian dollar recover it goes up Expansion take place new teams need contracts to get to floor . This will also water down the league a little which will help the kings as most of there players signed long term. Also i expect another strike and lock out. Which means more compliance buyouts for bad contracts . As long as the kings continue to draft well we don't need to worry about depth.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Disagree that Dean playing chicken is the best plan. The longer Kopitar goes unsigned, the more games he plays for the Kings this year, and his value in a trade continues to drop. Kopitar for 40+ games, and Kopitar at the deadline, net two different returns.

Kopitar simply walking on July 1st would be a cataclysmic disaster of asset management for this franchise, one we wouldn't recover from. If Dean can't get a deal done, he needs to consider trading Kopitar ASAP to maximize the return.