His first two seasons he scored 132 points in 139 games followed by 18 points in 17 playoff games. He didn't have 70 points, but that's entirely due to covid stopping his sophomore season short. The Canucks weren't really run and gun either, just poor defensively, except when the Pettersson line was out. And his 5v5 numbers were very good beyond the PP, despite Travis Green stupidly limiting his minutes. He was tied for 18th in 5v5 points in '20, and tied Barzal in 5v5 points as a rookie in 11 fewer games. As for linemates, Miller was good in '19, but their scoring was basically the same, and Pettersson had a better influence on goals for when he was on the ice. He didn't have Miller as a rookie either. Even last year, he had 14 5v5 points in 26 games, which, prorated to 56 games would be 30 points. That would have put him in a 4 way tie for 23rd in the league. Overall, for those first three seasons of his career, his 2.50 P/60 at 5v5 put him 17th in the league among the 323 forwards who played at least 2000 minutes. He's obviously sucked 5v5 this year, but he's shown to be a very good producer there, while having a highly positive influence on GF% over his first three years, which is what anyone acquiring him would be thinking he can get back to.[/QUOTE]
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His first two seasons he scored 132 points in 139 games followed by 18 points in 17 playoff games. He didn't have 70 points, but that's entirely due to covid stopping his sophomore season short. The Canucks weren't really run and gun either, just poor defensively, except when the Pettersson line was out. And his 5v5 numbers were very good beyond the PP, despite Travis Green stupidly limiting his minutes. He was tied for 18th in 5v5 points in '20, and tied Barzal in 5v5 points as a rookie in 11 fewer games. As for linemates, Miller was good in '19, but their scoring was basically the same, and Pettersson had a better influence on goals for when he was on the ice. He didn't have Miller as a rookie either. Even last year, he had 14 5v5 points in 26 games, which, prorated to 56 games would be 30 points. That would have put him in a 4 way tie for 23rd in the league. Overall, for those first three seasons of his career, his 2.50 P/60 at 5v5 put him 17th in the league among the 323 forwards who played at least 2000 minutes. He's obviously sucked 5v5 this year, but he's shown to be a very good producer there, while having a highly positive influence on GF% over his first three years, which is what anyone acquiring him would be thinking he can get back to.[/QUOTE]
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so the team didn't or does not focus on playing defense. Unlike the rigid Trotz. Thanks
VAN not getting coke for pepsi, 1:1 type deal, esp w/EP --- while still having high end value --- not merely off but extensively not producing.
Dallas not giving up Heisk, DET not giving up Seid.
Sure, Pete goes nowhere w/o Canuck consent, but no one offers to pay except what they choose to offer. So VAN has to decide if it want to hold on to EP or go for an acceptable package.
That package can have signif profit for VAN, but it must yield to the buying club's choice of currency; if not, buyer does not have enuf incentive to trade.
Crushed for coupla days but will try to have a thread the needle offer from NYR later this wk.
Despite signif EP woes this season, it woul have to be a signif pay in a package where pieces are from Rangers depth, not where they are thin.
Dallas not giving up Heisk, DET not giving up Seid.
Sure, Pete goes nowhere w/o Canuck consent, but no one offers to pay except what they choose to offer. So VAN has to decide if it want to hold on to EP or go for an acceptable package.
That package can have signif profit for VAN, but it must yield to the buying club's choice of currency; if not, buyer does not have enuf incentive to trade.
Crushed for coupla days but will try to have a thread the needle offer from NYR later this wk.
Despite signif EP woes this season, it woul have to be a signif pay in a package where pieces are from Rangers depth, not where they are thin.
Love EP but he looks extremely frail and weak.
Having said that would love to see him on the Avs eating chickpea pasta.
Not sure how or what it would take but Byram is off limits.
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Incoming Zac Jones + Kravtsov garbage...
EP not heading to NYR unless Schneider + one of Kakoo / Laf + ??? is heading VAN way
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Good thing development isn't linear, guess you've never heard of that before, guess you would have traded Mack when he was going to through his slump?
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I don't see a trade to be made here.
Vancouver would be crazy to trade him for anything less then a 1:1 deal. But from the other team perspective, why would you trade for player that is producing? And you are not sure if he will return to form?
From the Blues, I would expect Vancouver to ask for Kyrou or Thomas. But as a Blues fans, both of those guys are really playing well - while EP out produced then on a ppg bases over the last two years, he isn't going it now. I would rather keep my players. (Too much risk to take a guy who isn't producing for guys who are). Both seemed to have figure it out and EP is having an off year.
Vancouver would be crazy to trade him for anything less then a 1:1 deal. But from the other team perspective, why would you trade for player that is producing? And you are not sure if he will return to form?
From the Blues, I would expect Vancouver to ask for Kyrou or Thomas. But as a Blues fans, both of those guys are really playing well - while EP out produced then on a ppg bases over the last two years, he isn't going it now. I would rather keep my players. (Too much risk to take a guy who isn't producing for guys who are). Both seemed to have figure it out and EP is having an off year.
I dont f***ing know...maybe cause it is when your trying to win a f***ing stanley cup and playing your hardest against the leagues best with less penalties called too!
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It would be really stupid and shortsighted for Vancouver to trade him. He’s one of the most naturally gifted players alive. He’s just in a bad rut, and gotta work some issues out.
Lots Avs fans wanted to trade Mackinnon when he as having a couple of tough seasons after his rookie season. Those to were the stupid and shortsighted ones.
Lots Avs fans wanted to trade Mackinnon when he as having a couple of tough seasons after his rookie season. Those to were the stupid and shortsighted ones.
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You’re moving goalposts.
The playoff is never considered a PPG season
I would never say Mackinnon has scored at PPG or better 8 times.
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Honestly? I'd give you Laf + one of our good D prospects for EP. Easy.
No, NY will pay in currency it wants or no deal
too busy to detail now but neither Krav [tearing up KHL] nor Jones [think the guy said he averaged a pt per last 10 games] is garbage
Krav is 0.5ppg in the KHL at 22, how is he "tearing it up" lol.
Keav is worth a 2nd at the monent, Jones' a dime a dozen prospect, you're not getting EP with thos kibd of guys
HE ISNT MACKINNON. Petey doesnt have the physical toolbelt Mackinnon has I dont see how anyone looks at those two players and say they are a comp at all.
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Laff and Schneider for Pettersson would probably get it done to be honest. To a new management they would not be bias and take the deal that helped a proper rebuild. Both those players fit in the window and Pettersson would explode I imagine.
I agree Kravtsov isn't tearing it up, but he's at 0.66PPG according to the KHL website. Looks like he's playing about 5 minutes less TOI/G than the guys at the top.
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The only way you obtain a player at his caliber is when he is struggling, This is why people keep bringing him up around circles.
The moment Petey starts to rip it up again, There would be less than a 0% Chance he would get traded.
Ruthaford is known to make big trades, to wheel and deal, and has no connection with Pettersson, If the right deal came along, I can absolutely see it happening, but only for a massive ransom.
The moment Petey starts to rip it up again, There would be less than a 0% Chance he would get traded.
Ruthaford is known to make big trades, to wheel and deal, and has no connection with Pettersson, If the right deal came along, I can absolutely see it happening, but only for a massive ransom.
I agree Kravtsov isn't tearing it up, but he's at 0.66PPG according to the KHL website. Looks like he's playing about 5 minutes less TOI/G than the guys at the top.
Again, doesn't change the fact he's a 22yo prospect that's not even near ppg in a lower level league. He's not going to be a core piece in a deal for a star player, he'll be a throw in.
Same goes for Zac Jones, diminutive offensive-minded only d-man aren't worth that much in the NHL nowadays.
If the Rangers want EP, the deal STARTS with Laf Or Kakko + Schneider + something else
Jones NOT dime a doz
and Krav will not be in the prop
he is worth a mid 1st but NY will use to replace the dealt Strome
22Y prospect struggling in the AHL and not dominating the KHL aren't worth a mid 1st rd pick.
Zac Jones isn't cracking the top100 prospect in the NHL. So yah, dime a dozen
Realistically, the Canucks will shop him as the player who was at his peak not so very long ago, full of promise and with a steep upward trajectory. They will set his value accordingly. Buyers will point out the player he is right now and won't offer value commensurate with the player as he was at his best at the NHL level. That divide probably makes a trade unworkable at the moment. Vancouver's best move is to coach him up and keep him.
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I think a team serious about acquiring him would want to get a real feel for what's behind the struggles of this year (so far) and last. Is it covid anxiety? Is it unhappiness with the organization? Just a funk? There's enough of a pattern that I can't see the offers of today being what they would have been two years ago.
I'd really be shocked if Vancouver put him in the market though, unless they really wanted to be rid of him. He's only 23 and has shown a lot.
I'd really be shocked if Vancouver put him in the market though, unless they really wanted to be rid of him. He's only 23 and has shown a lot.
