Value of: What Team will trade for Dubois? Discussion

[zcaptain]

Habs offer Dvorak and former first Mesar?

Ok...what does Winnipeg think of this?

Miller>>>>>>Dvorak

Dvorak isn't even a 50 point player, lol...about 35 point per 82

25 points in 59 games....man!!!! LOL

 

[HuGort]

Sure they would! ..............Edmonton moved Gretsky

Did you hear............players get moved!

Not for Dubois

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Ok...what does Winnipeg think of this?

Miller>>>>>>Dvorak

Dvorak isn't even a 50 point player, lol...about 35 point per 82

25 points in 59 games....man!!!! LOL

How about the Habs just sign PLD in a year's time, if they feel the need?

Right now, PLD is NOT a need. Dach is a need as we signed him to a sweetheart deal and he's breaking out.

 

[zcaptain]

That isn't rebuilding. You build from the draft and with young players who develop over time. PLD is in his prime and will earn 9+million. There is zero reason for the Habs to trade for him. Especially when there is a good chance they can sign him as a UFA a year later.

On top of that, Dach has had a breakout season and is improving by leaps and bounds. He could very well become the Habs #1C in a year or 2.

So why in the world would they trade for PLD? LOL

You are dreaming if you think the Habs would trade Dach +1st for a player who publicly stated he wants to be a Hab and will likely just play out his contract.

Why would Winnipeg trade PLD when they are in compete mode this and next season? I think they just play out his contract and try to win a cup (unsucessfully of course).

dach is 22 years old Dubois is 24.....come on man! LOL My gut is getting sore!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

dach is 22 years old Dubois is 24.....come on man! LOL My gut is getting sore!

2 years ago PLD had 21 points in 46 games. Dach is pacing much better than that! LOL

 

[ole ole]

The reason I posted this thread was that, I had posted a 3 way deal, with Mtl/Winnipeg and Vancouver, which got heavily dumped on.........I am not suggesting it was a great trade for Winnipeg, but as this thread points out, there will not alot of teams willing to move equivalent asset that benefits Winnipeg now..sure, yes, futures, but not assets that keep Winnipeg's window open now. The risk is, "IF" Dubois won't sign, and wants to go to Montreal.

Nobody can actually, say anything right now, because it would be collusion, and the penalty for a interfering with a Dubois type player would be huge!

I suggested the following:

MTL....................Dubois, and Lekkerimaki
Winnipeg.........Miller and Vancouver's 2026 (top 10 protected) 1st
Vancouver........Dach and Mtl's 2023 1st (currently 7th OA) top 2 protected

This deal, has to be done before July 1st when Miller's NTC kicks in. Yes, I agree with all the posters that say Miller's deal will not look as good in 3/4 years, but can you offer better, because, IMO, there are not a lot of teams, that are in the position to trade a 80 point player that doesn't have a NTC and want to go to Winnipeg, or isn't really young, and part of their new core, that has the potential to be a Dubois replacement, as Miller can be short term, and they can afford to lose for nothing if Dubois does not resign.

The argument that it is a good trade is above, and well addressed. If you just want to dump on it, and not contribute without argument, well that is on you and proves you do not have an argument. If you want to make counter points that I have not seen, please feel free to add.

Maybe I don't see that there is a better trade...I am not sure. Maybe Dubois will resign in Winnipeg, but if he doesn't want to, this window is closing July 1st, and really should be done sooner.

Habs management laugh and hang up the phone on your offer.

dach is 22 years old Dubois is 24.....come on man! LOL My gut is getting sore!

Habs would even trade Dach for PLD let alone add a 1st.

 

[zcaptain]

How about the Habs just sign PLD in a year's time, if they feel the need?

Right now, PLD is NOT a need. Dach is a need as we signed him to a sweetheart deal and he's breaking out.

Ok look, no one is say dach is not a nice player............

But Dach is playing at a 55 per 82 per game rate
Dubois is playing at a 82 point per game rate, with no guarantee he gets any higher

The saying "a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush", applies here

Dubois is in the more valuable position as well..........Dubois is >>>>>Dach

 

[ole ole]

You might be right............but Dubois has a certain skill set that is hard to find............I doubt very much Mtl does not have interest...........admittedly, maybe not that much.......but to say they don't have interest.....I really question


Yes, and like the other poster said......Tampa offers him full pop, and tax free! and lots of sun! and only a 3 hour flight to Quebec

It also does not explain why Winnipeg does this...................

Put something on paper..............how much you going to pay him........lol

Nothing near what another team will give for a rental. We will just play the waiting game. Habs have nothing to lose.

Dubois>>>>>Dach

And the deal is not there for anyone, "NEXT" year

We don't care if PLD is >>>>>>>>>>>>Dach.
We keep Dach and see if PLD want to play for the Habs in 2 yrs or the Jets take a much lower offer from us or another team can over pay for a yr of his service.

 

[zcaptain]

Habs management laugh and hang up the phone on your offer.


Habs would even trade Dach for PLD let alone add a 1st.

What????? LOL

Look buddy..........Montreal is not the loser in this deal....Winnipeg is

In the now......ranking the trade...................

Montreal wins now and later
Winnipeg loses very little now, and alot later
Vancouver loses alot in the now, and win alot later

How is this not good for Montreal?

 

[HuGo Sham]

If he refuses a long term deal in the offseason and is only interested in MTL then the Jets should just trade him to the Habs and get it done… won’t get much more for a year of him elsewhere than what MTL would offer.
Not interested in Drouin, Armia, Dvorak, Dadonov, Gallagher, or Edmundson… would just keep him or trade him elsewhere before accepting any of them.

from habs you'd get the 1st, high end prospect and roster player. Maybe Dvorak to fill out your 3C spot - dude has term.
Regardless, none of this is going down until the draft or beyond. If habs pick in the top 5 and that Fla picks drops somewhere around 10-12, I suspect it will be very attractive to winnipeg. Mtl might being inclined to move it then

Habs make solid offer but not full blown retail. Knowing they can get him a year later for nil. Jets probably take next year from him and let Dubois walk.

I don't think hughes wants to risk this. If both parties are genuinely interested in each other, you get it done. Lots of variables in 18 months.

And those variables begin this summer depending on where both of the habs 2023 picks land

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Ok look, no one is say dach is not a nice player............

But Dach is playing at a 55 per 82 per game rate
Dubois is playing at a 82 point per game rate, with no guarantee he gets any higher

The saying "a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush", applies here

Dubois is in the olre valuable position as well..........Dubois is >>>>>Dach

2 years ago, PLD was at less than 0.5pts/game rate. That would be at the same development period as Dach who is producing at 0.65pts/game and improving rapidly.

So in this example, Dach is ahead of where PLD was at the same age!

And the Habs could always just sign PLD in a 1.5 year's time if they wanted him. But i doubt PLD will ever play for the Habs as the need likely won't be there.

 

[zcaptain]

Nothing near what another team will give for a rental. We will just play the waiting game. Habs have nothing to lose.


We don't care if PLD is >>>>>>>>>>>>Dach.
We keep Dach and see if PLD want to play for the Habs in 2 yrs or the Jets take a much lower offer from us or another team can over pay for a yr of his service.

LOL...........No buddy.........."YOU" don't care! LOL......big difference! LOL

 

[gojetsgo]

Have to give up so much, then pay Dubois 8million a year. It's huge. We can wait a year get him for nil. Be silly of us to make you an offer that blow your sicks off.



What do you want for him?

we will take the best offer we can get

 

[zcaptain]

2 years ago, PLD was at less than 0.5pts/game rate. That would be at the same development period as Dach who is producing at 0.65pts/game and improving rapidly.

So in this example, Dach is ahead of where PLD was at the same age!

And the Habs could always just sign PLD in a 1.5 year's time if they wanted him. But i doubt PLD will ever play for the Habs as the need likely won't be there.

You do not get it............we are talking about now..................not the future that may or may not happen.

 

[ole ole]

we will take the best offer we can get

Than go get that offer because it won't come from the Habs.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You do not get it............we are talking about now..................not the future that may or may not happen.

Habs don't care about now - they are tanking now. Habs have Dach who is progressing nicely and who may be their 1C in a year's time.

So no need to trade for PLD. The bonus is that if there is interest from the Habs, PLD may be available for free in a year's time and at a team-friendly discount on salary.

 

[AslanRH]

..............Edmonton moved Gretsky

This has become a cliche
Curious if you know why they moved Gretzky

 

[gojetsgo]

Than go get that offer because it won't come from the Habs.

cool... nobody ever claimed the best offer was going to be from the habs... but for some reason hab fans seem to think we are just forced to take what ever they offer because reasons

 

[ole ole]

LOL...........No buddy.........."YOU" don't care! LOL......big difference! LOL

Seems like the Habs organization isn't to worried about it or he's be a Hab by now.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

we will take the best offer we can get

As you should. Or alternatively, hold onto PLD and try to complete for a cup while you can. He would be your rental player.

 

[Heldig]

How about the Habs just sign PLD in a year's time, if they feel the need?

Right now, PLD is NOT a need. Dach is a need as we signed him to a sweetheart deal and he's breaking out.

How about a contender signs him instead because, like most athletes, Dubois probably wants to win more than playing at home on bottom feeder.

 

[gojetsgo]

As you should. Or alternatively, hold onto PLD and try to complete for a cup while you can. He would be your rental player.

we won't do that, too much value to lose for a market that can't make up for it with free agents

 

[Junohockeyfan]

cool... nobody ever claimed the best offer was going to be from the habs... but for some reason hab fans seem to think we are just forced to take what ever they offer because reasons

Absolutely no one thinks the Jets are forced to take whatever offer now. Its the opposite. Jets fans keep throwing PLD down our throats. Its not the Habs that are pursuing PLD, its PLD that is pursuing the Habs organization.

 

[gojetsgo]

Absolutely no one thinks the Jets are forced to take whatever offer now. Its the opposite. Jets fans keep throwing PLD down our throats. Its not the Habs that are pursuing PLD, its PLD that is pursuing the Habs organization.

no we don't rofl....

 

[Junohockeyfan]

we won't do that, too much value to lose for a market that can't make up for it with free agents

Well then take the best offer you can in the offseason. That's what i would do.

no we don't rofl....

Yeah, you do. Its unfortunate that PLD made it public he wants to play for the Habs. The Habs have zero obligation to facilitate a trade.

Jets should find the best offer as it won't come from the rebuilding Habs.