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What should LA do at the deadline?

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Herby said:
I agree 100%. I also didn’t like the abandoning the rebuild strategy this summer but now in March 2022 you have to accept it, and accept where the team is and act accordingly.

If the Kings miss the playoffs this year this goes down as a DISASTER season for a variety of reasons.

1. You bring in 3 veteran players in the offseason to make the playoffs. They all play great and you still miss.

2. You are in the playoffs at the 65 game mark and miss

3. You end up likely finishing 4th and fall in the black hole pick 15 range meaning you likely miss out on a high end prospect.

4. None of your four center prospects you used high picks on established themselves as legit NHL’ers. Only 1 could even stick in the league.

This would be a mirror image of some of the final Taylor black hole seasons.

That is why I think Rob does something in the next couple of days. It’s time to cash in/get to the lifeboats (depending on how you view the prospects) on a couple of these guys.
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And if he makes trades to try and save this season he’s gonna get bent over a table.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
Saw this in The Athletic, about prospects that could be traded....what? I would not think this could be true. Grans may have made good strides this year, but could not possibly be the most polished defenseman outside the NHL. He's more raw, than polished. May have good upside. He's really not that physical. If his growth rate continues, I think he'll be a good one.

"Meanwhile at the AHL level, Swedish-born blue line prospect Helge Grans is, by the estimation of some pro scouts, the most polished defenseman outside the NHL at the moment."
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In my eyes Lisa is no insider and the quality of her work has been on a steady decline.. that’s her latest act of pulling a rabbit out of her ass
 
Reaper45 said:
And if he makes trades to try and save this season he’s gonna get bent over a table.
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Do you really think any of the guys he might trade are going to explode into stars on new teams. You think guys like Kupari and Turcotte have that kind of upside? You think the 1st this year is going to be that type of prospect? No one is saying to trade Byfield, Kaliyev or Clarke.

Worst case scenario is we make another Parrish type trade. That was also a situation where the Kings traded 2 declining asset prospects. One busted and one had a so-so career.
 
Kings are in an unfortunate situation if these guys are out long enough for a losing skid. They may have been a player or two away from winning a round before. Now there is no deadline deal that can save them. Depth from within will have to step up.
They should call up Vilardi and see what him and Lias can do together. Theyve showed chemistry even in the NHL together. Put Byfield between them maybe.
If any of the young players can get it going and steal a couple games maybe they can trade the spare assets at the deadline and continue to push for a spot. Its not gonna be easy.
 
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Herby said:
Do you really think any of the guys he might trade are going to explode into stars on new teams. You think guys like Kupari and Turcotte have that kind of upside? You think the 1st this year is going to be that type of prospect? No one is saying to trade Byfield, Kaliyev or Clarke.

Worst case scenario is we make another Parrish type trade. That was also a situation where the Kings traded 2 declining asset prospects. One busted and one had a so-so career.
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I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is now everyone knows he’s desperate. Before he could said here’s my offer and I’m not budging. Now he’s going to have to give up more or higher valued assets for the same thing.
 
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Herby said:
I agree 100%. I also didn’t like the abandoning the rebuild strategy this summer but now in March 2022 you have to accept it, and accept where the team is and act accordingly.

If the Kings miss the playoffs this year this goes down as a DISASTER season for a variety of reasons.

1. You bring in 3 veteran players in the offseason to make the playoffs. They all play great and you still miss.

2. You are in the playoffs at the 65 game mark and miss

3. You end up likely finishing 4th and fall in the black hole pick 15 range meaning you likely miss out on a high end prospect.

4. None of your four center prospects you used high picks on established themselves as legit NHL’ers. Only 1 could even stick in the league.

This would be a mirror image of some of the final Taylor black hole seasons.

That is why I think Rob does something in the next couple of days. It’s time to cash in/get to the lifeboats (depending on how you view the prospects) on a couple of these guys.
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I wish I could like this post twice.

Totally agree. A panic trade is coming. Hopefully having a second gm in the front office will help make sure we get the right guy at the right price
 
Reaper45 said:
I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is now everyone knows he’s desperate. Before he could said here’s my offer and I’m not budging. Now he’s going to have to give up more or higher valued assets for the same thing.
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Indeed

Our leverage just went the same way as the stock market the last few weeks
I just hope they have like 5 or 6 irons in the fire
 
Nothing has changed in terms of what the Kings should do.

If you're going to give up significant assets, you do it for a player that can help us now AND in the long term. Otherwise stand pat.

No rentals unless it's extremely cheap like Modin/Lecavalier etc.
 
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I still say look for trades that make you better in the long run, if not there, ride or die with what you got.

That said, can’t hold onto to everyone.

I still like Chychrun or Provorov if they are available.

Souchy or Sanheim would be low key solid adds.

Guessing there is solid veteran forward depth out there too that they may buy low on as a reaction to the injuries.
 
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After watching the D get pushed around so much last night I would argue a guy like Sanheim or Soucy is more needed than even Chychrun. We don't have anyone big and mean in the org on D. Said player would help a LOT on the PK too, bless Durzi but he shouldn't be out there.
 
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Herby said:
Do you really think any of the guys he might trade are going to explode into stars on new teams. You think guys like Kupari and Turcotte have that kind of upside? You think the 1st this year is going to be that type of prospect? No one is saying to trade Byfield, Kaliyev or Clarke.

Worst case scenario is we make another Parrish type trade. That was also a situation where the Kings traded 2 declining asset prospects. One busted and one had a so-so career.
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Do you call Kupari and Turcotte declining asset prospects?

Let me politely disagree with you.
 
johnjm22 said:
The rebuild wasn't abandoned.

That's like saying the Kings abandoned the rebuild when DL brought in Handzus and Blake or Smyth.
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No it’s not. Blake was on the tail end and Handzus was coming off ACL surgery. Neither move prevented the team from being awful and getting high picks those years. They weren’t trying to make the playoffs with aging veterans like Blake was this summer. Blake’s final 2 years in LA resulted in the Kings picking 4th and 2nd and drafting the greatest d-man in franchise history.

Dean had 2 clear cut superstar franchise players who were 21 and 19 when he traded for Smyth. The rebuild was over at that point, Dean had his franchise center, defenseman, and winger for the next decade plus and probably had a pretty good idea on Quick in goal. Sure they needed some final re-enforcement deals but the core was young, elite and proven. This current rebuild has nothing even remotely close to that. They needed more top end talent and they abandoned it and are paying the price as a lot of Blake’s high picks are disappointing.
 
Herby said:
No it’s not. Blake was on the tail end and Handzus was coming off ACL surgery. Neither move prevented the team from being awful and getting high picks those years. They weren’t trying to make the playoffs with aging veterans like Blake was this summer. Blake’s final 2 years in LA resulted in the Kings picking 4th and 2nd and drafting the greatest d-man in franchise history.

Dean had 2 clear cut superstar franchise players who were 21 and 19 when he traded for Smyth. The rebuild was over at that point, Dean had his franchise center, defenseman, and winger for the next decade plus and probably had a pretty good idea on Quick in goal. Sure they needed some final re-enforcement deals but the core was young, elite and proven. This current rebuild has nothing even remotely close to that. They needed more top end talent and they abandoned it and are paying the price as a lot of Blake’s high picks are disappointing.
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The situation is never exactly the same but the principle is. You bring in a couple quality players without sacrificing any significant future assets.

The build continues.
 
johnjm22 said:
The rebuild wasn't abandoned.

That's like saying the Kings abandoned the rebuild when DL brought in Handzus and Blake or Smyth.
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This rebuild ended when they brought in Danault and Edler and Arvidsson. Once again to get more out of Kopitar.
 
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Outside of HF, Blake would be pretty heavily criticized if the team was totally healthy come playoff time (a likely occurrence) but they missed the playoffs because Blake wouldn't make a move or two at the TDL to keep them in playoff contention. No one says he needs to sell the farm but the organization does have assets that can be moved. The team has earned that IMO.
 
Herby said:
No it’s not. Blake was on the tail end and Handzus was coming off ACL surgery. Neither move prevented the team from being awful and getting high picks those years. They weren’t trying to make the playoffs with aging veterans like Blake was this summer. Blake’s final 2 years in LA resulted in the Kings picking 4th and 2nd and drafting the greatest d-man in franchise history.

Dean had 2 clear cut superstar franchise players who were 21 and 19 when he traded for Smyth. The rebuild was over at that point, Dean had his franchise center, defenseman, and winger for the next decade plus and probably had a pretty good idea on Quick in goal. Sure they needed some final re-enforcement deals but the core was young, elite and proven. This current rebuild has nothing even remotely close to that. They needed more top end talent and they abandoned it and are paying the price as a lot of Blake’s high picks are disappointing.
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you are saying two different things here , you are very unhappy with blakes picks at , 2 ,5, 20 etc yet you want him to keep losing so he can get more high picks , in reality if we didn't bring in PD AND Arvidson we would be arguing constantly about is wright actually a #1 pick and is this a good draft like it was thought to be a few years ago , I for one think signing two good to players to lead the team has worked out well and having watched the prospects in ontario multiple times in person this year are not quite as concerned as some are . We still have good players coming with some snipers included which is clearly what we are missing this year, we are playing with house money right now and with 22 games, a quarter of a season. to go we get a chance to see if the kids will step up or at very least will get learning time of what its like to play meaningful game in march and april
 
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DoktorJeep said:
This rebuild ended when they brought in Danault and Edler and Arvidsson. Once again to get more out of Kopitar.
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If the Kings traded away 1st round picks or top prospects, I would agree with you, but that hasn't happened.

Outside players always get brought in when you're building.
 
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johnjm22 said:
I highly doubt that. Everything he's done since being here has been conservative.
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Blake has not shown the riverboat gambler cocaine (not literal) influenced decisions that were dark side of the DL persona
 
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