Value of: What is the "plus"? Kempe Danault Byfield Durzi (plus?) for Matthews (plus?)

[Kurrilino]

I just don't get it from Toronto's POV. Byfield is the wildcard in this and I don't think I take that risk on a franchise altering move.

Durzi wouldn't have a spot, Danault is loveable but I'd rather just sign ROR to an extension. Kempe is good.

I'd probably want Clarke in any package for Matthews with an extension.

We can stop the whole thing right here.
Clarke is not available

 

[Ovi895]

Lol Kempe outgoaled Matthews this year making less than half as much. Matthews is good but he's not McDavid or even MacKinnon or Drasaitl, the only McDavid thing about him is the salary

If he wants to leave Toronto Kempe, Byfield, Durzi is more than he'll get anywhere else, the Leafs still remain cup contenders and are able to even out their cap going forward with contracts that aren't an overpayment for every capable player.

 

[Blaylock38]

No, you don't. The difference between Matthews and Kempe isn't three roster players. Especially when Matthews will cost almost 3x as much as Kempe for maybe 10 more goals

right cause Matthews value is all tied to his goals. He plays a premium position and is one the best in the league. Your evaluation is way off.

 

[Homesick]

I hope LA guts themselves and does a trade like this for Matthews.
But they'll probably get him for free

 

[johnjm22]

Considering their contractual status, I wouldn't trade Kempe straight up for Matthews.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I get leafs fans love their matthews and he's an elite scorer, but there's no way LA does this. One of the best 2-way C in the league, a 41 goal scorer who's a year older than AM, Byfield who looks to be at worst a 3C with size, a young offensive Dman?

this destroys their team depth.

 

[go4hockey]

If I’m running the Kings I offer nothing at all. If he wants to come here as a UFA sure you go after him but to tear the roster apart makes no sense. If he chooses to sign elsewhere then no problem but the OP’s offer is ridiculous

 

[andora]

Yeah no, the trade at all is not happening.
Spence or Durzi is not the issue here

The Kings have nothing to offer that would interest Toronto and if Matthews is not coming as an UFA, he is not supposed to be here anyways.

You could counter offer if you are really interested.
Basic conditions would be Kempe, Byfield, Villardi and Clarke off the table.


The players you mentioned are not on the table for a rental

Umm excuse me.. i was negotiating with the other guy hehe.

 

[Herby]

The thing is, if Matthews wants to play closer to home, there are 4 teams close by in that southwest region. What would make him only want to play in LA?

It may only be 3-4 teams that he would re-sign with if traded, but that gives Toronto more leverage than if it were just one team.

They probably would not get Kempe, Danault, Byfield and Durzi but they would get more than Byfield and Durzi.

 

[EverTheCynic]

Terrible for the Kings.

Matthews is not the player I'd want to close to league max over 8 years. Very talented player, but just isn't the guy I'd hand that contract out to.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Byfield and Durzi would help the Marlies next season I guess.

 

[hamzarocks]

Take out Kempe and Danault and it's a helluva lot closer

Byfield will likely never be as good as ELC matthews

He has no value to us if we're retooling.

If we're rebuilding add Clarke + 1st to make up for the 5'9 hobbit coming back who has no value to us

Kempe + Danult + make sense for a retool

For a rebuild

Byfield + Clarke + 1st

 

[Arthur Morgan]

We don’t want your junk

I wouldnt call those pieces junk even if you dont think the value is right for Matthews.
I would be very happy to get Byfield but I dont wanna lose Matthews

Byfield and Durzi would help the Marlies next season I guess.

Byfield is going to be amazing and I dunno wasnt long almost every Leafs fan wanted Durzi back,
however I dont wanna trade Matthews but its foolish to think these players wouldnt help the Leafs more than the Marlies

 

[Martin Skoula]

I wouldnt call those pieces junk even if you dont think the value is right for Matthews.
I would be very happy to get Byfield but I dont wanna lose Matthews


Byfield is going to be amazing and I dunno wasnt long almost every Leafs fan wanted Durzi back,
however I dont wanna trade Matthews but its foolish to think these players wouldnt help the Leafs more than the Marlies

Durzi is one of the worst defensive players in the league and lacks the IQ to fix that. Byfield has 8 career goals and can’t even hit PPG in the AHL lol, if everything goes right for him he might peak as a poor man’s version of rookie year Matthews.

A mid 20s PP specialist that needs to be sheltered to not get demolished defensively and a guy who might one day be a 50 point middle 6er does nothing for us, by far the most valuable part of the deal for Toronto would be Matthews’ 11.3 million to spend on actually good pieces.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Durzi is one of the worst defensive players in the league and lacks the IQ to fix that. Byfield has 8 career goals and can’t even hit PPG in the AHL lol, if everything goes right for him he might peak as a poor man’s version of rookie year Matthews.

A mid 20s PP specialist that needs to be sheltered to not get demolished defensively and a guy who might one day be a 50 point middle 6er does nothing for us, by far the most valuable part of the deal for Toronto would be Matthews’ 11.3 million to spend on actually good pieces.

I didnt say it was a good return for Matthews or that I wanted to trade Matthews but lets not act like Byfield and Durzi are shit pieces.

it's always been known that Byfield was going to take time to develop. he wont get or shouldnt get to Matthews' level but he should be a good good player in the NHL. as for Durzi he's young and is still developing he's not as shit as your making him out to be. no need to completely bash LA's players even if the value isnt good for Matthews

 

[lionsDen]

We don’t want your junk

As someone without a dog in this fight. Those pieces are great. If you’re calling that junk I’d question your motive or your ability to assess the game of hockey

 

[Stephen]

Someone's trying to relive the summer of Kawhi...

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

LA isn't touching this. A deal for Matthews wpuld look like the Karlsson deal

 

[JKG33]

Byfield will likely never be as good as ELC matthews

He has no value to us if we're retooling.

If we're rebuilding add Clarke + 1st to make up for the 5'9 hobbit coming back who has no value to us

Kempe + Danult + make sense for a retool

For a rebuild

Byfield + Clarke + 1st

Kempe + Danult makes 0 sense for LA.

And rentals don't get prospects like Byfield or Clarke, let alone both. not even Matthews

 

[Space Coyote]

If trade of Matthews happens, both teams will be disappointed.

 

[A1LeafNation]

No but will do that deal for Tavares

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Kempe + Danult makes 0 sense for LA.

And rentals don't get prospects like Byfield or Clarke, let alone both. not even Matthews

Not just any rental; this would be the best rental, ever?
In any case it would be a sign and trade - similar to the EK to San Jose deal.
Tierney ---> Lizotte
DeMelo ---> Durzi
Balcers ----> Turcotte
Norris ----> Pinelli
Obviously the Kings players are slightly better than the ones San Jose traded; notably the upgrades of Durzi/Turcotte/Pinelli but that would be the cost.

trade: Lizotte,Durzi, Turcotte, Pinelli + 1st round 2024 (unprotected)

trade: Matthews + Abruzzese

 

[Funk21]

This is a July 1st trade, meaning that Matthews is eligible to sign a long term extension as part of the trade, in the same way that Matthew Tkachuk did in the Florida Calgary blockbuster.


Auston Matthews --- $11.6403m until 2024 (with long-term extension)
PLUS ---> picks? prospects? both? neither?

for

Adrian Kempe --- $5.5m until 2026
Phillip Danault --- $5.5m until 2027
Quinton Byfield --- $0.8942m until 2024 (then RFA)
Sean Durzi --- $1.7m until 2024 (then RFA)
TOTAL CAP = $13.5942m
PLUS ---> picks? prospects? both? neither?

So, what are the Kings (or Leafs) adding here to make this a fair deal? A lot? A little? Nothing? You tell me. I don't claim to know the answer.

NOTE - I considered possibly using Fiala instead of Kempe, thinking that maybe Leafs fans would want a guy locked up until 2029 more than a guy locked up until 2026. I decided against it, but by all means you could do the trade that way. It might be too much cap going back to Toronto though, without them moving somebody else out. Structuring it with Kempe seemed easier to do.

EDIT - I edited this offer to add in the possibility of the Leafs adding, instead of just the Kings being the ones adding.

Depending on what the Leafs do this SC I would likely do this trade in a heartbeat.

 

[McVespa99]

right cause Matthews value is all tied to his goals. He plays a premium position and is one the best in the league. Your evaluation is way off.

This is actually true. I cant see how you could argue otherwise.
Matthews is going to be overpaid on his next contract just like he was when he signed the last one. Probably something in the 14 range. Why would LA trade a bunch of great assets for a few more goals and a huge contract. I think LA will sign him as a free agent or not at all

 

[Oddbob]

I bet there is a tremendous chance Matthews is staying in Toronto with a new 8 year extension. Why would he want to go to Arizona right now?