Player Discussion What is the Legacy of this Bruins Core?

[Dennis Bonvie]

Half the league makes the playoffs. Being on the lower end of the top half the league is still mediocre.

Bruins were 10th overall this season.

So top third, not top half.

Not mediocre.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I hate to admit it but I actually think the Canadiens had the better team during the late 60's early 70's. The Canadiens had a ridiculous 14 HOF'ers on their roster from, say, 1969-73, while the Bruins had only 5. Starting in 1970, they had a BIG edge in goal with Dryden, and by 1973 they had probably the greatest defense EVER with Robinson, Savard and Lapointe.

Sure, some of those HOF'ers on the Canadiens were near the end of their careers, but Beliveau, for instance, was still good enough to lead the team in points in his last year (1970-71). Plante was one of the only 4 HOF'ers over that period for Boston, but he was 44 years old in his one season with the Bruins (72-73) and only played in 8 games that year.

Also, I don't mean to place total value on HOF picks because some have been historically "iffy", but 14 to 5 is a ridiculously lopsided figure.

I would say the Canadiens were on the same level as the Bruins during that time.

Robinson wasn't a major factor until 74-75.

And the Bruins had Orr (the best player ever) and Espo.

But just being the Montreal Canadiens at that time was huge.

 

[Patdud]

Not saying they are on par with the 70's team (Orr, Espo etc) because that team won more..but I feel like they are comparable because both of those squds should've won more with the talent we had.

I wasn't around with the Bruins won with Orr...but this core has been fantastic and we've been very fortunate to watch them the past 5-8 years.

Id say the real missed opportunity years (to win the Cup) were 14 and 19.

Missed chances to get the the SCF and probably lose are 2009, 2010.

I'm on the fence about 2012, the Kings were an 8th seed but they made all those trades and lost like 3/4 games. just murdered the league on the way to the cup that year.

I still think they could have beaten Chicago in gm7, I mean they very well could have been up 3-0 in that series

 

[Baddkarma]

This group won a cup. For me is was an unbelievable moment. My whole family fell in love with the Bruins during that 2011 run. Some have fallen out of love since Sweeney turned them soft, but I digress. As one member said, who the Bruins used to be was amazing!

That core will forever be special no matter how many times they fell short. For me, all that matters is that 2011 redemption run that was so amazing!!!

 

[NDiesel]

I’m not crowning them anything. I’m just saying comparing the bruins last decade and the way the teams are both set up. I’d much rather take the kings situation of winning 2 cups since 2010 and having the #1 farm system in the NHL going forward with a team that’s already back in the playoffs.

Ya kopitar and doughty will be gone soon, but doughty was pretty much already gone this year as 5 other defenders all under the age of 27 played more total minutes than Doughty this year.

Do the Kings have anyone in their pools who are remotely close to Swayman, McAvoy or Pasta as of now? The only spot they look better as of right now is down the middle, and things can change quickly there too.

 

[UncleRico]

Do the Kings have anyone in their pools who are remotely close to Swayman, McAvoy or Pasta as of now? The only spot they look better as of right now is down the middle, and things can change quickly there too.

I’m not going to peg anyone as the next McAvoy or pasta, but there are some interesting prospects I would love to see the bruins try and trade Ullmark for, since goalie is their biggest need when Quick retires. Here is what they do have:

They have Quinton Byfield who was #1 on hockeywriters mid season top 100 prospect list. Alex turncotte who was #9 on their top 100 prospect list. So two centers. Defensively they have Brandt Clarke who was 13th overall on that list. I don’t want to say he’s a Doughty replacement, but Doughty barely played last year due to injury and was 6th overall among defenders in total minutes played on the kings who made the playoffs. Their 5 defenders who played more than Doughty were age 20, 22, 23, 26 and 27. So defense is going to be a huge position of strength going forward for them. They have two top center prospects. (The top three prospects are unlikely to be traded for Ullmark)

The issue is going to be finding a goalie for them. However they have plenty of ammunition to go out and acquire a goalie once Quick retires. On hockeywriters list they also have the #46 prospect(defender), #52(center), #87 (wing), #90 (defender), #91 (C/RW). So they are stock piled on top 100 prospects. Then of course they have recent winger prospect graduate Arthur Kaliyev who put up 14 goals in 80 games this year in the NHL. This area is probably where the bruins can find a solid player or two for Ullmark.

So they are pretty much set offensively and defensively. Outside of kopitar(byfield will be his replacement), Dustin brown who is already pretty much done and doughty who barely played, they have an extremely young team with a good prospect pool. Just a matter of combining Some of those extra prospects for a goalie after quick is gone.

 

[crimsonace]

Id say the real missed opportunity years (to win the Cup) were 14 and 19.

Missed chances to get the the SCF and probably lose are 2009, 2010.

I'm on the fence about 2012, the Kings were an 8th seed but they made all those trades and lost like 3/4 games. just murdered the league on the way to the cup that year.

I still think they could have beaten Chicago in gm7, I mean they very well could have been up 3-0 in that series

2009 - It would've been a good series with the Penguins. I'm not sure how they would've matched up with Detroit (although Pittsburgh did beat them). The B's seemed to struggle with Detroit in that era (everyone did). That one does feel like a missed opportunity.
2010 - They were so banged up by the end of the Philly series, I don't know if they could've gotten past Montreal, even with Halak in goal for the Habs. Would have had to at least get Krejci back to have a shot against Chicago.
2012 - The Kings were a wagon after the TDL but the Bruins matched up very well with them. Would've been a very compelling series.
2013 - Game 7 in Chicago without Bergeron (who would not have played - he had a punctured lung) would've been a tall ask. Would've needed Tuukka to steal one but it's a great what-if.

 

[James Walker]

oh yes, that's the whole picture.

Well, it is the answer to "what-if" about the 1983 Bruins.

An .831 Save % in 6 games including these save % in games 3, 4, 6:
.731
.742
.750

 

[McGarnagle]

2009 - It would've been a good series with the Penguins. I'm not sure how they would've matched up with Detroit (although Pittsburgh did beat them). The B's seemed to struggle with Detroit in that era (everyone did). That one does feel like a missed opportunity.
2010 - They were so banged up by the end of the Philly series, I don't know if they could've gotten past Montreal, even with Halak in goal for the Habs. Would have had to at least get Krejci back to have a shot against Chicago.
2012 - The Kings were a wagon after the TDL but the Bruins matched up very well with them. Would've been a very compelling series.
2013 - Game 7 in Chicago without Bergeron (who would not have played - he had a punctured lung) would've been a tall ask. Would've needed Tuukka to steal one but it's a great what-if.

IIRC the 2009 team was very banged up as well. Kessel had hip surgery right after the series, I believe Krejci was also compromised along with a few others.

Still never should've lost to Carolina, but Pittsburgh would've been a tough match-up at that stage.

 

[trenton1]

Well, it is the answer to "what-if" about the 1983 Bruins.

An .831 Save % in 6 games including these save % in games 3, 4, 6:
.731
.742
.750

It's an answer. It was also the highest scoring era in history. Even Billy Smith's save percentage was only .885.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Bruins were 10th overall this season.

So top third, not top half.

Not mediocre.

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/ˌmēdēˈōkər/
adjective
of only moderate quality; not very good.
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I'd say realistically they are above average, but closer to the middle than the top.

 

[LouJersey]

I think they’re in a way better position than you guys think they are. Way better. It’s like you’re all trying to will the team into mediocrity. It’s crazy to me.

I think they are going to struggle a bit. What makes you think they will not be mediocre? Marchand and McAvoy are gone for a bit, Bergeron hasn't re upped. Hall once again proved he can't up it in the play-offs, as did many of the 4-12 forwards (again). the goalies were not great in the play-offs, especially Linus.

 

[Clode]

The core of "What could've been"

 

[Over the volcano]

This group won a cup. For me is was an unbelievable moment. My whole family fell in love with the Bruins during that 2011 run. Some have fallen out of love since Sweeney turned them soft, but I digress. As one member said, who the Bruins used to be was amazing!

That core will forever be special no matter how many times they fell short. For me, all that matters is that 2011 redemption run that was so amazing!!!

This, absolutely

 

[everett rats]

Fans are ridiculous had Montreal scored on overtime in game 7 everyone would have been saying the exact opposite about the toughness and makeup of the team...the same fans who after habs went up 2-0 we're saying the same thing.. if the bruins had won game 7 vs canes it would've been different comments than now...it's sports it's just how it is sometimes...you get breaks sometimes you don't has nothing to do with Sweeney or anything you all are talking about

 

[BruinDust]

It's not about the past 5-6 years. It's about the next 5-6. Those are the ones that matter and the Kings look to be sitting pretty while the Bruins need to pray for a f***ing miracle.

You do realize the point of this thread was about legacy (the past)?

 

[UncleRico]

Bruins were 10th overall this season.

So top third, not top half.

Not mediocre.

They were a wild card team who lost in the first round, who now has at best a year older version of bergy and Marchand. If they even have Bergy next year that is. If you don’t think this year was mediocre then I guess you can just wait for next year because it isn’t going to get any better.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

They were a wild card team who lost in the first round, who now has at best a year older version of bergy and Marchand. If they even have Bergy next year that is. If you don’t think this year was mediocre then I guess you can just wait for next year because it isn’t going to get any better.

Maybe if you keep saying it over and over it will come true.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

They were a wild card team who lost in the first round, who now has at best a year older version of bergy and Marchand. If they even have Bergy next year that is. If you don’t think this year was mediocre then I guess you can just wait for next year because it isn’t going to get any better.

When you win as many as you lose, that's mediocre.

Not when your record is 51-26-5.

 

[UncleRico]

Maybe if you keep saying it over and over it will come true.

It’s already true there’s just people like you who are convinced this team still has a chance at winning something and aren’t on a decline.

 

[UncleRico]

When you win as many as you lose, that's mediocre.

Not when your record is 51-26-5.

Hang the regular season banner. We can be the Indianapolis colts of the NHL!

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It’s already true there’s just people like you who are convinced this team still has a chance at winning something and aren’t on a decline.

I’ll call them mediocre when they’re mediocre

 

[Spooner st]

Maybe if you keep saying it over and over it will come true.

It's very simple, some of us are saying they're getting worse, some like you are saying they'll be better. Time will tell.

I've said last season they were going to be a one and done.., at best by any miracle they could make to the 2nd round... and that would be it at best. But you guys still think they could have a chance at the cup then. And still have a chance at the cup now, for 22/23. That's f***ing nonsense.

 

[EvilDead]

You do realize the point of this thread was about legacy (the past)?

Yes and they were good, not great. Get over it.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Hang the regular season banner. We can be the Indianapolis colts of the NHL!

Great response.

Nothing to do with mediocrity, but if you've got no argument I guess you just change the subject.

Or is this what is called "moving the goal posts"?