Player Discussion What is the Legacy of this Bruins Core?

[trenton1]

Correct, Kluzak was over his head and Park was pretty much immobile at that point.

Surprisingly, Melnyk was +4 in the series. Best on the team.

When Marty Howe was back in Hartford playing for the Whalers, I talked to him a little at a hockey clinic my son was attending. Asked him how he liked playing for the Bruins that season. He said it was the best bunch of guys he ever played with.

I thought Howe was a very solid add to that team. I wish they had kept him another year.

I liked Melnyk but preferred Hillier who rushed himself back to play the Isles and was not ready either.

The '83 team remains a great what-if. They absolutely tore up the regular season. They were 5-0-1 against the Islanders and Oilers.

 

[Greek_physique]

Not saying they are on par with the 70's team (Orr, Espo etc) because that team won more..but I feel like they are comparable because both of those squds should've won more with the talent we had.

I wasn't around with the Bruins won with Orr...but this core has been fantastic and we've been very fortunate to watch them the past 5-8 years.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I thought Howe was a very solid add to that team. I wish they had kept him another year.

I liked Melnyk but preferred Hillier who rushed himself back to play the Isles and was not ready either.

The '83 team remains a great what-if. They absolutely tore up the regular season. They were 5-0-1 against the Islanders and Oilers.

Marty Howe had the distinction of being traded for himself.

Sinden got him for a player to be named later. When GM Larry Pleau wanted equal compensation for Howe after his year with Boston, Harry gave him back. Absolutely equal compensation. Bruins got a veteran D for free for a season while Kluzak developed.

I liked Hillier too. He had a decent career in Pittsburgh. Hurt a lot. Got to watch Mario turn the team into a Cup winner. He got his ring.

 

[James Walker]

I thought Howe was a very solid add to that team. I wish they had kept him another year.

I liked Melnyk but preferred Hillier who rushed himself back to play the Isles and was not ready either.

The '83 team remains a great what-if. They absolutely tore up the regular season. They were 5-0-1 against the Islanders and Oilers.

I think they great what-if is "What if Pete Peeters was not so terrible?"
They have shown game 6 numerous times on TSN, and his awkwardness and clumsiness is hard to watch.

 

[UncleRico]

Only losers want their team to suck for a decade to "rebuild".

They didn’t make the playoffs for 3 years and now they just made it back with a young team and the #1 rated farm system.

Idk where you are thinking they sucked for a decade. They’ve won two Stanley cups in the last decade. More than the bruins and now they are much better positioned than the bruins for the next few years.

They’ve missed the playoffs 5 times and bruins missed twice in the last decade. I’ll take the 3 extra missed years for one extra cup. Especially when you look at the direction the two teams will be going over the next few years.

 

[BruinDust]

They didn’t make the playoffs for 3 years and now they just made it back with a young team and the #1 rated farm system.

Idk where you are thinking they sucked for a decade. They’ve won two Stanley cups in the last decade. More than the bruins and now they are much better positioned than the bruins for the next few years.

They’ve missed the playoffs 5 times and bruins missed twice in the last decade. I’ll take the 3 extra missed years for one extra cup. Especially when you look at the direction the two teams will be going over the next few years.

Almost a decade then. 8 years of irrelevance.

I don't know where you get this #1 rated farm system stuff. If my team had been irrelevant for 8 consecutive seasons, I'd want more in terms of prospects and young players than they do. They have a lot more quantity than high-end quality. Not all of those prospects are gonna make it. Bruins farm system looked pretty good in the summer of 2016 after 9 Top 60 picks in 2 years. Didn't pan out that way.

They have no replacement for Doughty. They have no replacement in goal for Quick.

You serious overrate the LA Kings it's kind of sad actually.

 

[UncleRico]

Almost a decade then. 8 years of irrelevance.

I don't know where you get this #1 rated farm system stuff. If my team had been irrelevant for 8 consecutive seasons, I'd want more in terms of prospects and young players than they do. They have a lot more quantity than high-end quality. Not all of those prospects are gonna make it. Bruins farm system looked pretty good in the summer of 2016 after 9 Top 60 picks in 2 years. Didn't pan out that way.

They have no replacement for Doughty. They have no replacement in goal for Quick.

You serious overrate the LA Kings it's kind of sad actually.

Theyve made the playoffs 3 times in the last 8 years. So by your logic despite making the playoffs they have been irrelevant since they won the cup? So therefore the Bruins have been irrelevant for 11 years because thats the last time they won the cup.


Also as far as them not having a doughty replacement. They made it to the playoffs this year with 5 defenders aged 20, 22, 23, 26, and 27 who all played more total minutes than Doughty this season. I think theyll be alright on defense. On top of that they have Jordan Spence who is 20 years old who got the call up at the end of the year and played well and played in the playoffs for them as well. So the aging doughty situation may actually be the least of their problems.


Future goaltending may be the only weakness on the team, but considering their deep prospect pool it wouldnt be surprising to see them swing a trade for a goalie. I'm sure if they called up the Bruins, the B's would pick up the phone to deal Ullmark.

Also the "I don't know where you get this #1 rated farm system stuff" its pretty much a consensus by every publication who has come out with a list over the last two years that the kings have a top 2 prospect pool in the NHL.

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The Kings are in an infinitely better situation than the Bruins right now.

 

[BruinDust]

Theyve made the playoffs 3 times in the last 8 years. So by your logic despite making the playoffs they have been irrelevant since they won the cup? So therefore the Bruins have been irrelevant for 11 years because thats the last time they won the cup.


Also as far as them not having a doughty replacement. They made it to the playoffs this year with 5 defenders aged 20, 22, 23, 26, and 27 who all played more total minutes than Doughty this season. I think theyll be alright on defense. On top of that they have Jordan Spence who is 20 years old who got the call up at the end of the year and played well and played in the playoffs for them as well. So the aging doughty situation may actually be the least of their problems.


Future goaltending may be the only weakness on the team, but considering their deep prospect pool it wouldnt be surprising to see them swing a trade for a goalie. I'm sure if they called up the Bruins, the B's would pick up the phone to deal Ullmark.

Also the "I don't know where you get this #1 rated farm system stuff" its pretty much a consensus by every publication who has come out with a list over the last two years that the kings have a top 2 prospect pool in the NHL.

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The Kings are in an infinitely better situation than the Bruins right now.

If you haven't won a round in 8 years and missed the playoffs 5 times in that span, yup that would be irrelevant.

3 of those 4 publications aren't even credible. Hockey Writers? I can't even take them seriously. Where's Bleacher Report too? (That's sarcasm BR sucks too).

<------------ The LA Kings board is that way. Go join em' praising their prospect pool and their 3 good seasons in a quarter century.

 

[UncleRico]

If you haven't won a round in 8 years and missed the playoffs 5 times in that span, yup that would be irrelevant.

3 of those 4 publications aren't even credible. Hockey Writers? I can't even take them seriously. Where's Bleacher Report too? (That's sarcasm BR sucks too).

<------------ The LA Kings board is that way. Go join em' praising their prospect pool and their 3 good seasons in a quarter century.

Oh so we aren’t allowed compare the bruins to other teams now? We can only sit here and praise the bruins despite their very evident future shortcomings? What are you the board police and gate keeper of what can be said and what teams we can compare the bruins run to over the past 10 years?

The Bruins would be extremely fortunate to have the turnaround the kings have had.

You’re about to be in a rude awakening because the bruins are dangerously close to a rebuild and will be extremely fortunate to only miss the playoffs for three years especially when bergy is gone and Marchand/Hall are in their mid to late 30s.

Enjoy your yearly first or second round exits the next year maybe two while the team trades all of its draft assets to try to make a first round exit into a 2nd round exit. Then a few years from now the rebuild will be even more painful.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Oh so we aren’t allowed compare the bruins to other teams now? We can only sit here and praise the bruins despite their very evident future shortcomings? What are you the board police and gate keeper of what can be said and what teams we can compare the bruins run to over the past 10 years?

The Bruins would be extremely fortunate to have the turnaround the kings have had.

You’re about to be in a rude awakening because the bruins are dangerously close to a rebuild and will be extremely fortunate to only miss the playoffs for three years especially when bergy is gone and Marchand/Hall are in their mid to late 30s.

Enjoy your yearly first or second round exits the next year maybe two while the team trades all of its draft assets to try to make a first round exit into a 2nd round exit. Then a few years from now the rebuild will be even more painful.

I’d be real careful about crowning the Kings just yet (no pun intended). Got the right slot in a weak West. Congrats. Their prospects really haven’t hit at all yet. Maybe they will. But Brown/Kopi/Doughty aren’t around for much longer (Brown already done). Calling them a turnaround success is premature

 

[UncleRico]

I’d be real careful about crowning the Kings just yet (no pun intended). Got the right slot in a weak West. Congrats. Their prospects really haven’t hit at all yet. Maybe they will. But Brown/Kopi/Doughty aren’t around for much longer (Brown already done). Calling them a turnaround success is premature

I’m not crowning them anything. I’m just saying comparing the bruins last decade and the way the teams are both set up. I’d much rather take the kings situation of winning 2 cups since 2010 and having the #1 farm system in the NHL going forward with a team that’s already back in the playoffs.

Ya kopitar and doughty will be gone soon, but doughty was pretty much already gone this year as 5 other defenders all under the age of 27 played more total minutes than Doughty this year.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I’m not crowning them anything. I’m just saying comparing the bruins last decade and the way the teams are both set up. I’d much rather take the kings situation of winning 2 cups since 2010 and having the #1 farm system in the NHL going forward with a team that’s already back in the playoffs.

Ya kopitar and doughty will be gone soon, but doughty was pretty much already gone this year as 5 other defenders all under the age of 27 played more total minutes than Doughty this year.

Like I get it. Cups mean everything and all that. But I wouldn’t want to watch the Kings on a night to night basis the last 5-6 years. Rather eat my own toenails. I’m not on that train at all.

 

[UncleRico]

Like I get it. Cups mean everything and all that. But I wouldn’t want to watch the Kings on a night to night basis the last 5-6 years. Rather eat my own toenails. I’m not on that train at all.

Well guess what, the bruins next 5-6 years is probably going to look a lot like the kings last 5-6 years. So get those toenails ready.

The only thing that will make this better is completely blowing it up and getting the best possible assets for guys like Marchand and Hall, then pray you somehow land some top center prospects in those trades or through the draft to hopefully make that 5-6 year drought into a 2-3 year drought. Because right now Coyle-haula-frederic-studnicka-Beecher or whatever order you want to throw those guys in is one of the worst center groups in the east.

 

[trenton1]

I think they great what-if is "What if Pete Peeters was not so terrible?"
They have shown game 6 numerous times on TSN, and his awkwardness and clumsiness is hard to watch.

oh yes, that's the whole picture.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Well guess what, the bruins next 5-6 years is probably going to look a lot like the kings last 5-6 years. So get those toenails ready.

The only thing that will make this better is completely blowing it up and getting the best possible assets for guys like Marchand and Hall, then pray you somehow land some top center prospects in those trades or through the draft to hopefully make that 5-6 year drought into a 2-3 year drought. Because right now Coyle-haula-frederic-studnicka-Beecher or whatever order you want to throw those guys in is one of the worst center groups in the east.

The Kings did none of the above. Your point is I should want the Kings last 5-6 years, so I can have a Byfield and a Turcotte to be fired up about. No thanks.

 

[UncleRico]

The Kings did none of the above. Your point is I should want the Kings last 5-6 years, so I can have a Byfield and a Turcotte to be fired up about. No thanks.

Exactly, the kings did none of what I said and that’s why it took them 5-6 years instead of having a quick turnaround. It’s also why they were so bad collecting top picks because they just let their old ass team get even older. If the bruins don’t move guys like Marchand and hall and just let them walk when their contracts expire then the rebuild will take even longer.

Do you really think the bruins are in a good position after bergeron retires? No centers, 2 of the best 3 wingers on the wrong side of 30. 4th best winger in Debrusk has been begging for a trade. Pastrnaks future with the team not exactly set in stone. On top of it, widely regarded as a bottom 10 prospect pool with not much in the pipeline, especially after lysell and lohrei

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Exactly, the kings did none of what I said and that’s why it took them 5-6 years instead of having a quick turnaround. It’s also why they were so bad collecting top picks because they just let their old ass team get even older. If the bruins don’t move guys like Marchand and hall and just let them walk when their contracts expire then the rebuild will take even longer.

Do you really think the bruins are in a good position after bergeron retires? No centers, 2 of the best 3 wingers on the wrong side of 30. 4th best winger in Debrusk has been begging for a trade. Pastrnaks future with the team not exactly set in stone. On top of it, widely regarded as a bottom 10 prospect pool with not much in the pipeline, especially after lysell and lohrei

I think they’re in a way better position than you guys think they are. Way better. It’s like you’re all trying to will the team into mediocrity. It’s crazy to me.

 

[UncleRico]

I think they’re in a way better position than you guys think they are. Way better. It’s like you’re all trying to will the team into mediocrity. It’s crazy to me.

No I’m trying to take them out of mediocrity, which they are currently in.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

No I’m trying to take them out of mediocrity, which they are currently in.

No they’re not. It’s just objectively not true

 

[UncleRico]

No they’re not. It’s just objectively not true

Half the league makes the playoffs. Being on the lower end of the top half the league is still mediocre.

 

[EvilDead]

Are you even a Bruins fan?

Yes. I'm just not a bobo. I love the Bruins going back to the age of 4. This team should've won more and underachieved or they weren't as good as some of their competitors. And look the second of the two to me is closer to the truth and has no shame in admitting. The Bruins were competing against solid teams during that era that arguably had better built rosters.

Are you even a Bruins fan?

Also...I can be a Bruins fan and see that management doesn't have a clue. I don't have to think every move Don Sweeney has made has been brilliant because most of them haven't been. Look at the picks and moves the Kings made after dismantling their core compared to the Bruins have when holding on to theirs. The Kings are in a better position. Now their front office needs to keep making good moves, but when it is all said and done I would rather be where the Kings are than the Bruins.

 

[EvilDead]

As one who remembers the pre-Orr Bruins and was a season ticket holder for the Whalers, I have to chuckle at the "many bleak years".

There are many Columbus Blue Jackets fans who wish their team would make it to the Second Round more consistently.

 

[EvilDead]

Like I get it. Cups mean everything and all that. But I wouldn’t want to watch the Kings on a night to night basis the last 5-6 years. Rather eat my own toenails. I’m not on that train at all.

It's not about the past 5-6 years. It's about the next 5-6. Those are the ones that matter and the Kings look to be sitting pretty while the Bruins need to pray for a f***ing miracle.

 

[BobbyAwe]

For the record, the Big Bad Boston Bruins with Bobby Orr also were underachievers. It doesn't mean I hate them to say this. It doesn't mean I root against them. It simply means they didn't win enough cups despite the insane amount of talent they had on their rosters at that point. Growing up and seeing this team over the years, you can easily say the 70s era didn't win enough because they had enough talent. The 80s and 90s era with Bourque and Neely didn't have enough talent to get past the talent laden rosters of the Islanders, the Oilers, and the Penguins. So I can't call them underachievers. They overachieved, in fact. The 2000s era the team sucked. The 2010 through now simply haven't achieved enough. They should have won at least one more cup, and arguably 2. That's their legacy. They did it and they need to own it. It's well deserved.

I hate to admit it but I actually think the Canadiens had the better team during the late 60's early 70's. The Canadiens had a ridiculous 14 HOF'ers on their roster from, say, 1969-73, while the Bruins had only 5. Starting in 1970, they had a BIG edge in goal with Dryden, and by 1973 they had probably the greatest defense EVER with Robinson, Savard and Lapointe.

Sure, some of those HOF'ers on the Canadiens were near the end of their careers, but Beliveau, for instance, was still good enough to lead the team in points in his last year (1970-71). Plante was one of the only 4 HOF'ers over that period for Boston, but he was 44 years old in his one season with the Bruins (72-73) and only played in 8 games that year.

Also, I don't mean to place total value on HOF picks because some have been historically "iffy", but 14 to 5 is a ridiculously lopsided figure.

 

[Bmf316nhl]

Game 6 against Montreal in 2008....goosebumps to this very day. The Garden was on fire that night and put the B's back on the map in this city.

Aside from Game 7 against Tampa in 2011, that was the loudest I've ever heard that place in person.