Speculation: What (if anything) does Colorado do about their goaltending?

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Islay1989

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The way Kuemper positions himself before the shot and how he challanged it is the reason he gave up a rebound, not the fact it was tipped. He kicks pucks towards the half wall. As for LOC, he should've played that better.
 
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Yes!!! Price stays with the Habs!!!

Kuemper is 7-0-0 since returning from injury. Nearly a 0.93% save percentage and 7.02 goals saved above expectation (3rd best in NHL). Stats per Peter Baugh.

the Avs already have their playoff goalie. His name is Kuemper and he’s good. He has been a good NhL goalie for several seasons.

We
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I'm comfortable with Kuemper but not with the ghost of Francouz; I think this team would do well with a 1a/1b, or just an upgrade on backup, if the right guy becomes available. Carey price will never happen and I wish everyone would shut up about it.
 

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I knew but just wonder how badly they really did.

Either way thankfully we moved on

I think Gru was their first choice, but Sakic had a line he wouldn't cross and they ultimately got caught with their pants down when Seattle gave him the 6 year deal. If they were really planning on going in another direction, I'd like to believe that Sakic would have figured that out before all the good UFA options signed elsewhere. Hopefully he learned his lesson and has a better plan in place for this offseason.
 

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Because you have your narratives you stick to, I can’t explain how hockey works to you. You don’t know how to process what you’re watching.

your boy Turcotte is terrible compared to Byram. Another of your old narratives.

This is too good.

I didn't know it was possible for this much irony to exist in one post. :laugh:



If you can't understand that PP Goal was primarily on Kuemper for the poor rebound control, you wouldn't be able to "explain hockey" to anybody, because you don't have a f***ing clue.
 
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This is too good.

I didn't know it was possible for this much irony to exist in one post. :laugh:



If you can't understand that PP Goal was primarily on Kuemper for the poor rebound control, you wouldn't be able to "explain hockey" to anybody, because you don't have a f***ing clue.


You have some of the worst avs takes I’ve seen on this board. Do you play in net?? It was a point shot that he was screened on that got tipped and was bouncing….

we won 7-1 and you’re focused on the only goal he allowed, weird.
 
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You have some of the worst avs takes I’ve seen on this board. Do you play in net?? It was a point shot that he was screened on that got tipped and was bouncing….

we won 7-1 and you’re focused on the only goal he allowed, weird.

Yes, I do :laugh:

Doesn't matter that it was tipped. Especially goalies at an NHL level should never be giving up a rebound as big as that.


Watch the goal again and look at Kuempers reaction. He knew instantly after the goal was scored, that it was his fault. It was a bad rebound.


I gave Kuemper plenty of credit last night. He got better as the game went on and overall played a good game. That doesn't change the fact the one goal he did give up was yes, his fault and he knew it.
 

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Bumping this thread as a humble Avs fan begging a charitable team that's out of the playoff hunt to please trade us your above average starter for a package that includes Kuemper (not as the main piece of course). Please.
 
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Bumping this thread as a humble Avs fan begging a charitable team that's out of the playoff hunt to please trade us your above average starter for a package that includes Kuemper (not as the main piece of course). Please.
lol
 

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You have some of the worst avs takes I’ve seen on this board. Do you play in net?? It was a point shot that he was screened on that got tipped and was bouncing….

we won 7-1 and you’re focused on the only goal he allowed, weird.
That guy doesn’t understand hockey.

Avs need to get a defender that can actually kill penalties. Jack Johnson is awful at it. EJ is too slow and isn’t blocking enough shots. Isn’t getting his stick in passing lanes. Avs really need to add a player that has the defensive acumen and aggressiveness to cross check a Duchene before he collects a loose puck. To get his stick in passing lands. Isn’t winning foot races to loose picks. Isn’t moving his feet into shooting lanes. EJ is a below average PK defender. And Jack J is awful at it. Toews is ok at it. Not great.

The Avs lost Graves and didn’t replace those skills Graves had. It’s plane as day how much they miss that type of player now.

reading this board, everyone hated Graves. But the PK will continue to suck until the Avs add a more mobile defender with some net clearing chops. Last year, that was Graves. This year it’s EJ and the drop off is really obvious on the Pk. Putting EJ and Jack together is the worst possible combo. Avs don’t need a different Goalie nearly as bad as the need a bottom pair defender with Pk chops.
 
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That guy doesn’t understand hockey.

Avs need to get a defender that can actually kill penalties. Jack Johnson is awful at it. EJ is too slow and isn’t blocking enough shots. Isn’t getting his stick in passing lanes. Avs really need to add a player that has the defensive acumen and aggressiveness to cross check a Duchene before he collects a loose puck. To get his stick in passing lands. Isn’t winning foot races to loose picks. Isn’t moving his feet into shooting lanes. EJ is a below average PK defender. And Jack J is awful at it. Toews is ok at it. Not great.

The Avs lost Graves and didn’t replace those skills Graves had. It’s plane as day how much they miss that type of player now.

reading this board, everyone hated Graves. But the PK will continue to suck until the Avs add a more mobile defender with some net clearing chops. Last year, that was Graves. This year it’s EJ and the drop off is really obvious on the Pk. Putting EJ and Jack together is the worst possible combo. Avs don’t need a different Goalie nearly as bad as the need a bottom pair defender with Pk chops.

Mind updating his stats after the recent stellar run he’s had, including giving up 8 goals in the last 4 periods? They must be quite saucy.
 

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That guy doesn’t understand hockey.

Avs need to get a defender that can actually kill penalties. Jack Johnson is awful at it. EJ is too slow and isn’t blocking enough shots. Isn’t getting his stick in passing lanes. Avs really need to add a player that has the defensive acumen and aggressiveness to cross check a Duchene before he collects a loose puck. To get his stick in passing lands. Isn’t winning foot races to loose picks. Isn’t moving his feet into shooting lanes. EJ is a below average PK defender. And Jack J is awful at it. Toews is ok at it. Not great.

The Avs lost Graves and didn’t replace those skills Graves had. It’s plane as day how much they miss that type of player now.

reading this board, everyone hated Graves. But the PK will continue to suck until the Avs add a more mobile defender with some net clearing chops. Last year, that was Graves. This year it’s EJ and the drop off is really obvious on the Pk. Putting EJ and Jack together is the worst possible combo. Avs don’t need a different Goalie nearly as bad as the need a bottom pair defender with Pk chops.

If you could write a letter to Graves, what would it say?
 

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If you could write a letter to Graves, what would it say?
I told a lot of the dopes last year Graves was a good player. Graves has some obvious holes in his game. His passing was often be inconsistent. He jumps into too many rushes. Shot is only so so. But defensively. Long, active and quick stick. Got more physical. Good skater for his size. Willing shot blocker. Goos side to side movement. Never got walked one vs one. That plus minus stuff wasn’t a mirage.

there are a lot of Avs fans that don’t know as much about hockey as their posting would indicate, but their frequent posting puts on full display this lack of insight. Graves was on the receiving end of a lot of that noise. He was under appreciated. Was an elite bottom pair for the Avs. Which is frankly his ceiling. A bottom pair, PK specialist.
 

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Mind updating his stats after the recent stellar run he’s had, including giving up 8 goals in the last 4 periods? They must be quite saucy.
If you can’t see the interconnection between goalie stats and awful defensive play, stats are unless in your hands. You’re just another of the many posters that doesn’t understand hockey or team sports.

Goalies won’t put up great stats if guys like JTC give the puck away right in front of his net. If Mack won’t cover a man in the defensive zone parked right in front. If Jack Johnson won’t clear the crease. If EJ and LOC completely lose gap control on the PK.

in team sports, these things matter.
 
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If you can’t see the interconnection between goalie stats and awful defensive play, stats are unless in your hands. You’re just another of the many posters that doesn’t understand hockey or team sports.

Goalies won’t put up great stats if guys like JTC give the puck away right in front of his net. If Mack won’t cover a man in the defensive zone parked right in front. If Jack Johnson won’t clear the crease. If EJ and LOC completely lose gap control on the PK.

in team sports, these things matter.

You have no problem quoting the stats when he goes on a little 7 game lucky streak, but the minute he shits the bed, those stats don’t matter right? Sounds good.
 

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You have no problem quoting the stats when he goes on a little 7 game lucky streak, but the minute he shits the bed, those stats don’t matter right? Sounds good.

Kuemper had the 3rd best SV% in the NHL (40 total games minimum) over the last 3 seasons in Arizona (111 games played). Seems like a pretty big sample size to call that level of play "lucky" to me.

For that matter, which stats do you think show Kuemper can't possibly be good enough? The only stat that really matters is that the Avs still got 3 of the 4 available points.
 

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Kuemper had the 3rd best SV% in the NHL (40 total games minimum) over the last 3 seasons in Arizona (111 games played). Seems like a pretty big sample size to call that level of play "lucky" to me.

For that matter, which stats do you think show Kuemper can't possibly be good enough? The only stat that really matters is that the Avs still got 3 of the 4 available points.

Now do the math on this season and last. You know..the more relevant time period. That should meet your 40 game threshold.
 

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Now do the math on this season and last. You know..the more relevant time period. That should meet your 40 game threshold.

Why don't you do the math, present your findings and explain how they support what you're claiming they prove? I look at the numbers from last season, where Kuemper had a 0.914 SV% through his first 18 games in a division with 3 of the top 9 scoring teams in the NHL (including #1 and #3), and think he did pretty well given what he was facing. Yes, he struggled badly in 9 games after returning from injury, but I struggle to see how that's relevant to his talent level or even his level of play when healthy.

And this year, he's 16-5-1 and his team is leading the West in P% by a decent margin. What's the problem that we desperately need to solve here?
 

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You have no problem quoting the stats when he goes on a little 7 game lucky streak, but the minute he shits the bed, those stats don’t matter right? Sounds good.
No. Avs are in first place. Avs don’t need any kind of big roster move. They need a bottom pair guy that has some PK chops.

Their PK is clearly the weak link. Fix that by getting Jack Johnson off the ice and reducing EJs role on the PK.

if the Avs want to make any noise in the post season, they’ll need to play better team D and improve their PK. Bednar will need to change his system, sacrifice some goals and lower the opponents high danger chances.
 
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I don't think Kuemper has played up to his abilities this season, but I'd like to thank you McJedi, for realizing that this team fails to do many things defensively which lead to GA no matter who is in net.

And thank you for noticing that Graves had some positive qualities.

Avs really could use a big solid strong mobile bottom 6D and maybe a big strong defensively responsible bottom 6 center who can win draws
 
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