Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[ACC1224]

He's not wrong. Funny as it may seem, Dubas took advantage of the Pens and made a great trade for McCann and used the better player to protect two lesser players (Kerfoot and Holl). Now that is some kind of 3D thinking.

This is really what it comes down to.

 

[LeafEgo]

He's not wrong. Funny as it may seem, Dubas took advantage of the Pens and made a great trade for McCann and used the better player to protect two lesser players (Kerfoot and Holl). Now that is some kind of 3D thinking.

Not quite, Kerfoot was not protected. The alternative would have protected both McCann and Kerfoot, exposing only Holl.

 

[ACC1224]

Not quite, Kerfoot was not protected. The alternative would have protected both McCann and Kerfoot, exposing only Holl.

I think that's what they've been saying.
It's the thought that losing the prospect and pick and not McCann is what everyone is laughing at.

 

[ToneDog]

Not quite, Kerfoot was not protected. The alternative would have protected both McCann and Kerfoot, exposing only Holl.

Kerfoot was "protected" per say as soon as the better player, McCann was exposed. In hindsight it was a mistake now that Holl is what he is.

I just find it funny that if you say we lost Hollander and a 7th in the ED, nobody bats an eyelash. However if you say we lost McCann, out pounce the usual suspects.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So the total cost of doing business for the expansion draft was Hallander a 7th and McCann to keep the team intact?

No, the total cost to keep the team in tact from the expansion draft was Hallander and a 7th.

4/4 is what they did, and they lost McCann, not Kerfoot.

4/4 is what they did, for good reason, and Seattle did take McCann, because Toronto was proactive enough to acquire him for Hallander and a 7th to protect their existing roster.

 

[notbias]

Florida has a good team like twice a decade.

No shit it makes sense for them to go for it when they win the presidents trophy.

It's like the sens they'll go for it in the 1 out if every 6 years they have a good team before they sell everyone.

Considering we signed and then had to pay assets to get rid of Ritchie would it not have been smarter to aquire McCann for those two bottom tier assets and expose our 30 year old d man that we are reportedly trying to get rid of this year anyways?

Would you have been happy going into last season with Liljegren on the opening night roster? Lots of people had written him off unfairly. Also, Holl took a step back this year, he is still a serviceable #4/5.

In hindsight, McCann would have been better had we known Liljegren was going to play the way he did, I don't think anyone argues that. The issue is at the time, Holl was 100% the right decision, he played well in a top-4 spot (especially at $2 million) with Muzzin and Liljegren was a gamble.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Would you have been happy going into last season with Liljegren on the opening night roster? Lots of people had written him off unfairly. Also, Holl took a step back this year, he is still a serviceable #4/5.

In hindsight, McCann would have been better had we known Liljegren was going to play the way he did, I don't think anyone argues that. The issue is at the time, Holl was 100% the right decision, he played well in a top-4 spot (especially at $2 million) with Muzzin and Liljegren was a gamble.

To suggest that a team that acquired two D men down the stretch should’ve exposed a top 4 RD @ $2m over making Seattle choose one of two similar value middle 6 wingers is nothing more than silly and is based on nothing but hindsight.

 

[Stephen]

Overdrive’s rundown of the goalie situation, the second line, the overall blueline situation and Sandin whining on today’s show really makes you want to hand out some pink slips.

 

[kb]

Overdrive’s rundown of the goalie situation, the second line, the overall blueline situation and Sandin whining on today’s show really makes you want to hand out some pink slips.

To the MSM? Agreed.

 

[ToneDog]

Overdrive’s rundown of the goalie situation, the second line, the overall blueline situation and Sandin whining on today’s show really makes you want to hand out some pink slips.

Are you serious?? Promotions for all. Who didn't get one ?? I bet the Leaf shills on this board got promotions for the strong season they had and for this upcoming season.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Are you serious?? Promotions for all. Who didn't get one ?? I bet the Leaf shills on this board got promotions for the strong season they had and for this upcoming season.

And you get a promotion! And you get a promotion!

 

[Apex Predator]

To suggest that a team that acquired two D men down the stretch should’ve exposed a top 4 RD @ $2m over making Seattle choose one of two similar value middle 6 wingers is nothing more than silly and is based on nothing but hindsight.

Go read the old thread on the expansion draft. No hindsight there and that is what was being suggested.

 

[thinkblue]

 

[ShaneFalco]

Lol a lot of our players

 

[andora]

I just wish someone puts some faith in some young guys for once

If he can keep up with the pace mentally let him make mistakes, learn grow and coach them

It doesnt sound like they are confident in any marlies

 

[rocketman588]

Would you have been happy going into last season with Liljegren on the opening night roster? Lots of people had written him off unfairly. Also, Holl took a step back this year, he is still a serviceable #4/5.

In hindsight, McCann would have been better had we known Liljegren was going to play the way he did, I don't think anyone argues that. The issue is at the time, Holl was 100% the right decision, he played well in a top-4 spot (especially at $2 million) with Muzzin and Liljegren was a gamble.

I mean yes. Holl played the most sheltered minutes on the team and Muzzin always in the past made his partner look better.

We also could have used cap space to find a replacement just like we attempted to with Ritchie.

Finding a 6/7 D man isn't difficult that's why the move was very mixed even at the time.

Now was mcann a 30 goal scorer before last year no. But it was a pretty safe bet he was getting 20 for you especially if he pushed
Played on line 1.

If you believe the media we're looking to dump both dudes we kept instead of him.

That's why we have an NHL scouting department and a massive analytics department so we can help predict the future a bit in addition to finding value

 

[rocketman588]

We can capdump these guys for value has a lot of potential to end up like the"we can and we will" , " Keefe will beat legend in 10 years" and the multiple years of "I will bet my job on the core winning series quotes"

 

[hamzarocks]

their past situation or moving forward? Moving forward, I'd rather our team and especially our prospects/picks. The past situation, no one will argue.

Their past situation is 3 straight finals and winning 2 of them

Leafs won't be doing that. Likelier to be rebuilding in 3 years then having that level of success

Also these types of comments were being said about Boston in 2017 as well coming out of our rebuild. They were supposed to fall off and fail. They remained a competitive team and even made the SCF

Tampa is still a heavy cup contender next year. They're a better team then the leafs still despite moving McDonough

 

[All Mod Cons]

What I find pathetic is that people who don’t actively shit on the regime in every post, create stupid little names for the GM or for fans of the club who remain bullish on this teams future and don’t distort history by looking back with perfect 20/20 hindsight are treated as some inferior kind of fan and labeled as “dubites” seriously are you ten?

That’s not even close to correct, but if piling on more makes you feel better I guess have at it?

Most of you complaining about how the Kadri trade worked out also want Willy traded and were definitely the loudest in wanting Foligno acquired last run for example. Then when it doesn’t pan out you turn around and shit on the team for trying something.
It’s miserable, fake and rather transparent.

It’s all these clowns know how to do, complain and throw shit at each other


They literally traded Ritchie and a 3rd for a RD who was projected to fetch around a 2-3rd rounder so the cost to “ditch” Ritchie was nothing really at all.
Why are a bunch of you navel gazing about an XD last year? The draft and then FA is literally a day away.
Jesus y’all are miserable.

I personally have never wanted Willy traded. Outside of Auston and Morgan he's my favourite Leaf. I prefer him to Mitch.

I also never wanted Foligno. He's terribad and the odd rough and tumble player here and there is no use to us. We need a full regime change, not to add 2 or 3 guys.

As per usual, you're just wrong.

 

[hamzarocks]

McCann has a 5M cap hit for 5 more years and has a 10 team no trade list starting next year.

So?

JT has 11M contract for another 3 years and he's a 57 pt playoff player as a leaf?

Apparently dubas hasn't made any bad moves

Kadri trade justified and great value

Mcann/Holl move good move

Marleau deal forced due to Lou

JT signing a great move (11M for a 75 pt regular season player)

The big 3 contracts great at the time and now

AJ for Joey Anderson a needed move

Foligno deal not a poor move, he wasn't injured and wasn't a player that we didn't really need

Anytime someone brings up any major moves the same 5-10 posters are relentless to try and paint a strong of how those moves were And justified.

It's incredible how despite these moves we still can't string 4 playoff wins

Dubas fans are clear as day and it's easy to name the 5-10 posters who defend him for every move he's made.

It's really crazy that Dubas has built up such a strong group of supporters despite little success with the team

 

[DarkKnight]

Literally nobody "fawns at the feet of Dubas".

First day here or out of a coma?

 

[All Mod Cons]

We can capdump these guys for value has a lot of potential to end up like the"we can and we will" , " Keefe will beat legend in 10 years" and the multiple years of "I will bet my job on the core winning series quotes"

Yup. Whatever happened to never believing a word the GM says. Dubas only says what the media wants to hear.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Makes sense I assume we would have just taken the gift of 25 goal scorer in that case

How would we do that exactly?

 

[hamzarocks]

The change for our team pre and post expansion draft was Hallander and a 7th.

Everybody loses something in the expansion draft. Because the Leafs are a very good team, they were in a position to either lose a ~50 point middle-sixer or one of their top 4 defensemen. They smartly decided to use the Hallander and a 7th to acquire another ~50 point middle-sixer, which allowed them to protect their whole roster.

Even if you personally disagree with the decision to expose McCann, you can't take that decision in isolation while ignoring the trade that brought McCann in the first place, especially since it was specifically in order for him to be exposed. If you believe McCann is good enough to be this upset over, it would have to mean that the GM you're slamming made an amazing, massive win of a trade.

Though quite frankly, I don't know why we're this stressed over a guy who barely had more even strength points than Engvall.

I don't know who Jeremiah Holl is, but lots of GMs would protect Justin Holl - a right-handed 6'4" defenseman, signed to a solid deal, who effectively played on the top shutdown pairing of one of the best defensive teams in the league. Especially during the summer of everybody overpaying defensemen, and especially with no realistic internal or external replacement.

Kerfoot was a ~35 pt middle sixer at the time.

No need to lie

 

[ACC1224]

Kerfoot was a ~30 pt middle sixer at the time.

No need to lie