Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[Leaf Fans]

Yes, that is the contract he just signed during this past season with Seattle. We would have had him as an RFA and could have traded him for another asset. I could think of 20 times that’d love to get their hands on a 27 goal guy and would give up a decent asset(s). Disgustingly pathetic decision at the time to expose him and has only gotten worse. I told you all this would happen.



We very literally willingly and conciously exposed Jared McCann, a scoring LW. Can you tell me which position we have the least depth in?

We would have to take the whole player and all of the results not just the good parts.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

We would have to take the whole player and all of the results not just the good parts.

Just stop posting, there’s no defense or argument to be made here. Was a pathetic mistake at the time and is even worse now.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Exactly


Now this is an example of fact that will be distorted so that it doesn't sound so bad.

It's like saying we actually traded 2 x 1sts and a 2nd for Kapanen, Harrington, Spalling, 1st and 3rd.

 

[Mess]

TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS​

PROJECTED CAP HIT

: $76,055,616​

PROJECTED LTIR USED

: $0​

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $6,444,384​

ROSTER SIZE: 18/23

RFA's requiring Qualifying offers.

• Pierre Engvall ($1.25 million)
• Ondrej Kase ($1.25 million)
• Rasmus Sandin ($874,125)

Pending UFAs

Mikheyev, Ilya​

Blackwell, Colin​

Lyubushkin, Ilya​

Campbell, Jack​

 

[Dekes For Days]

We very literally willingly and conciously exposed Jared McCann

The expansion draft resulted in one change in our assets - the loss of Hallander and a 7th round pick. We exposed the complimentary winger that we acquired specifically to expose, who wasn't anything special, and protected the 4 best forwards on one of the best offensive teams in the league, and the top 4 defensemen on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Everybody loses something in the expansion draft, especially when you're a top team.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Dubasites is a made up term. We were voted the most annoying and most delusional because of the chronic whiners and doom and gloomers. They are annoying. Some are so delusional that they believe there is a cult of Dubas worshipping fans. Sometimes they call them Dubasites.


I gave you the argument, so clearly there is.

Actually, we were voted the most annoying and delusional because of fans like yourself who think the team is always in a good position and never criticize the team for what it lacks. And no, you didn’t give any argument. There is no argument to be made. To try and argue a bad decision made by your golden boy literally proves your delusion. Really all it says is that you’re not even a fan of this team, you’re just a Leafs apologist.

The expansion draft resulted in one change in our assets - the loss of Hallander and a 7th round pick. We exposed the complimentary winger that we acquired specifically to expose, who wasn't anything special, and protected the 4 best forwards on one of the best offensive teams in the league, and the top 4 defensemen on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Everybody loses something in the expansion draft, especially when you're a top team.

The loss was McCann, a good secondary scorer who when given the opportunity and ice time, could score 25-30 goals as he just showed. Quit your delusions pal, awful decision at the time and worse now. Who on earth would ever willingly and conciously protect f***in Jeremiah Holl

 

[Apex Predator]

Another point to what I said earlier about mixing opinions and thinking they’re facts is the expansion draft. I see the one argument that technically we only lost Hallander and a pick but at the same time we did have Mcann and lost him. You can make arguments for both sides of this situation and both can be right and wrong.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Another point to what I said earlier about mixing opinions and thinking they’re facts is the expansion draft. I see the one argument that technically we only lost Hallander and a pick but at the same time we did have Mcann and lost him. You can make arguments for both sides of this situation and both can be right and wrong.

We acquired McCann. McCann was the player Seattle took from us, not those other assets. McCann was the player we willingly and conciously lost in favour of f***ing Holl

 

[kb]

We acquired McCann. McCann was the player Seattle took from us, not those other assets. McCann was the player we willingly and conciously lost in favour of f***ing Holl

Yep. And the $1 million D they would have had to get to replace Holl would have been sooooooooooooooooo much better - especially after McCann walks because of his $5 million AAV contract demands.

You can lead a horse to water.....

 

[ACC1224]

Another point to what I said earlier about mixing opinions and thinking they’re facts is the expansion draft. I see the one argument that technically we only lost Hallander and a pick but at the same time we did have Mcann and lost him. You can make arguments for both sides of this situation and both can be right and wrong.

What if Seattle had chosen Kerfoot and McCann remained?

 

[Apex Predator]

What if Seattle had chosen Kerfoot and McCann remained?

Then we lost hallander a pick and Kerfoot. When I look back at the expansion draft I see it as we lost hallander, a pick and Mcann. The Leafs did that to protect Justin Holl. This is my opinion at the time and now with hindsight I still think it was the wrong move. You can make arguments for both sides and that’s fine.

Liljegren was still a question mark but I think now with the knowledge it would have benefited him more to play more games last year. The Leafs could have signed some bottom pair cheap dman or gone with

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Dermott
Sandin Liljegren

You can flip Dermott and Liljegren if you want but I think they could have gone with that D. Mcann was only making 2.94 last season and if he crushed it you then flip him for assets that you could use right now. Before people go all crazy on me that’s just my opinion on what they could have done.

 

[kb]

Then we lost hallander a pick and Kerfoot. When I look back at the expansion draft I see it as we lost hallander, a pick and Mcann.

Uhhh, that's not how it works. Yikes.

 

[andora]

Then we lost hallander a pick and Kerfoot. When I look back at the expansion draft I see it as we lost hallander, a pick and Mcann. The Leafs did that to protect Justin Holl. This is my opinion at the time and now with hindsight I still think it was the wrong move. You can make arguments for both sides and that’s fine.

Liljegren was still a question mark but I think now with the knowledge it would have benefited him more to play more games last year. The Leafs could have signed some bottom pair cheap dman or gone with

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Dermott
Sandin Liljegren

You can flip Dermott and Liljegren if you want but I think they could have gone with that D. Mcann was only making 2.94 last season and if he crushed it you then flip him for assets that you could use right now. Before people go all crazy on me that’s just my opinion on what they could have done.

Thats more than fair..
Could have looked into free agency a bit deeper too. I really wanted hakanpaa last year and he came in super cheap

I did want to keep mccann at the time i thought he would look great on either line

 

[ACC1224]

Then we lost hallander a pick and Kerfoot. When I look back at the expansion draft I see it as we lost hallander, a pick and Mcann. The Leafs did that to protect Justin Holl. This is my opinion at the time and now with hindsight I still think it was the wrong move. You can make arguments for both sides and that’s fine.

Liljegren was still a question mark but I think now with the knowledge it would have benefited him more to play more games last year. The Leafs could have signed some bottom pair cheap dman or gone with

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Dermott
Sandin Liljegren

You can flip Dermott and Liljegren if you want but I think they could have gone with that D. Mcann was only making 2.94 last season and if he crushed it you then flip him for assets that you could use right now. Before people go all crazy on me that’s just my opinion on what they could have done.

Good response, thanks.

 

[Apex Predator]

Uhhh, that's not how it works. Yikes.

They traded for Mcann to protect Justin Holl? Is that correct? So that cost them hallander and a pick. So overall the price to keep the team intact was Hallander, draft pick and Macann. That is what it cost the team from the expansion draft. If they never traded for Mcann and Seattle took player A then it only cost them player A.

I don’t need you to be rude by saying yikes! You don’t have to be condescending all the time when other opinions don’t match up to yours.

 

[notbias]

A lot of people complaining we lost McCann would have lost it if we went into last season with Liljegren in our starting lineup.

McCann had worse stats than Kerfoot without the PP (he wouldn't be PP1 here) and they think he is useless offensively, so I can only imagine how much they would have hated McCann.

Take it for what you want, but he had an almost 70% ozone start, don't know enough about him defensively though.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The loss was McCann, a good secondary scorer who when given the opportunity and ice time, could score 25-30 goals as he just showed.

The change for our team pre and post expansion draft was Hallander and a 7th.

Everybody loses something in the expansion draft. Because the Leafs are a very good team, they were in a position to either lose a ~50 point middle-sixer or one of their top 4 defensemen. They smartly decided to use the Hallander and a 7th to acquire another ~50 point middle-sixer, which allowed them to protect their whole roster.

Even if you personally disagree with the decision to expose McCann, you can't take that decision in isolation while ignoring the trade that brought McCann in the first place, especially since it was specifically in order for him to be exposed. If you believe McCann is good enough to be this upset over, it would have to mean that the GM you're slamming made an amazing, massive win of a trade.

Though quite frankly, I don't know why we're this stressed over a guy who barely had more even strength points than Engvall.

Who on earth would ever willingly and conciously protect f***in Jeremiah Holl

I don't know who Jeremiah Holl is, but lots of GMs would protect Justin Holl - a right-handed 6'4" defenseman, signed to a solid deal, who effectively played on the top shutdown pairing of one of the best defensive teams in the league. Especially during the summer of everybody overpaying defensemen, and especially with no realistic internal or external replacement.

 

[kb]

They traded for Mcann to protect Justin Holl? Is that correct? So that cost them hallander and a pick. So overall the price to keep the team intact was Hallander, draft pick and Macann. That is what it cost the team from the expansion draft. If they never traded for Mcann and Seattle took player A then it only cost them player A.

I don’t need you to be rude by saying yikes! You don’t have to be condescending all the time when other opinions don’t match up to yours.

Sadly, you don't get it. They didn't trade for McCann to protect anyone. They were exposing a F, so they shrewdly traded a fringe prospect and a 7th to backfill for either the loss of Kerfoot, or the loss of McCann.....they did not lose anything additional. The cost to maintain the status quo was Hallander and a 7th.


I really don't think that people who live in glass houses should be throwing stones.

 

[notbias]

Sadly, you don't get it. They didn't trade for McCann to protect anyone. They were exposing a F, so they shrewdly traded a fringe prospect and a 7th to backfill for either the loss of Kerfoot, or the loss of McCann.....they did not lose anything additional. The cost to maintain the status quo was Hallander and a 7th.


I really don't think that people who live in glass houses should be throwing stones.

The people screaming that we traded a 7th and a C-level prospect are the same ones who said Florida did a great job this year by mortgaging their entire future for 4 wins, I think it is funny to see.

 

[ACC1224]

The people screaming that we traded a 7th and a C-level prospect are the same ones who said Florida did a great job this year by mortgaging their entire future for 4 wins, I think it is funny to see.

What's funny is that you feel these mythical 'same ones' that are 'screaming' are somehow proving some non existent point you're failing to make.

 

[Kazparov]

Why $7 million? The summer just started. Lot's of time for moves.

I see the 'voice of reason' has abandoned that ruse.....

Sir this is the Leafs forum.

"Voice of Reason" has no place here.

 

[All Mod Cons]

What's funny is that you feel these mythical 'same ones' that are 'screaming' are somehow proving some non existent point you're failing to make.

He has a wonderful, mythical world in mind, like Hogwarts or Lord of the Rings. He's starting to believe it, now he's said it enough.

 

[rocketman588]

What if Seattle had chosen Kerfoot and McCann remained?

If we protect mcann we'd probably go 7/3 instead of 4/4

 

[Nylanderthal]

We very literally willingly and conciously exposed Jared McCann, a scoring LW. Can you tell me which position we have the least depth in?

goaltending and RD

 

[rocketman588]

The people screaming that we traded a 7th and a C-level prospect are the same ones who said Florida did a great job this year by mortgaging their entire future for 4 wins, I think it is funny to see.

Florida has a good team like twice a decade.

No shit it makes sense for them to go for it when they win the presidents trophy.

It's like the sens they'll go for it in the 1 out if every 6 years they have a good team before they sell everyone.

Considering we signed and then had to pay assets to get rid of Ritchie would it not have been smarter to aquire McCann for those two bottom tier assets and expose our 30 year old d man that we are reportedly trying to get rid of this year anyways?