News Article: What did the Senators get out of trading EK65

[GCK]

You do understand that it is nearly impossible for a player off their ELC to relocate ? How many league wide have moved in the past 5 years who earn over $2 million/year?

Sign a bridge for 3 years then go to arb which takes you to UFA. They are choosing to stay for at least 11 years.

 

[Sweatred]

But these players aren't going for a "holiday", they are going to work. Dude, time to move along.

As I said. You are right. I'm sure Byfield is sad he is stuck in LA and missed out in 10 good years in Ottawa.

 

[GCK]

EK, MS wanted to be here. Pretty sure that there was even a Brent Wallace tweet confirming this. Funny that they both spend their off-seasons here, and also spend a lot of time together.

Bingo.

 

[BatherSeason]

As I said. You are right. I'm sure Byfield is sad he is stuck in LA and missed out on Ottawa 10 good year in Ottawa.

These guys do have family and he is from Ontario, so maybe he is sad that he didn't get drafted by Ottawa, a city in the province where his mom, dad, maybe a sister and grandparents actually live. Maybe he wanted to be part of the FYOUS that he has heard so much about. You point has already been proven wrong multiple times, no matter how many scenarios you provide.

 

[Dingle]

Free agency traffic has been fairly steady North to South.

The only time it reverses is when northern teams offer way more money and that is generally when Southern teams have spent a large chunk in years past and are at the cap. And even then, you get the Chris Prongers' who regret it and cause enough of a fuss to get traded out. Give the NHL non guaranteed contracts and hell would freeze solid before a Canadian team or a team located within a few hundred kilometers of Canada ever wins a cup.

Sweatred is right; weather, attractive US markets (California, Florida, Dallas, Vegas, NY, Boston) will always win out. Take away the salary cap we would be buried in Canada (Toronto aside). Even with it, in many instances Canadian teams (less TO) tend to sign cast offs and rarely get prime talent. And so in dealing with players coming off ELC and shortly thereafter, they better overpay or they can sit and watch the player turn 24 to 26 and leave.

Have we forgotten McDavid and his glee over Edmonton winning the draft lotto. A guy getting a root canal seemed happier.

They use to threaten American ballplayers with trading them to Canada. NFL'rs in the pre salary cap days were threatened with Green Bay or Buffalo.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

These guys do have family and he is from Ontario, so maybe he is sad that he didn't get drafted by Ottawa, a city in the province where his mom, dad, maybe a sister and grandparents actually live. Maybe he wanted to be part of the FYOUS that he has heard so much about. You point has already been proven wrong multiple times, no matter how many scenarios you provide.

With the money he'll be making he can buy multiple houses and even relocate his entire family with zero problems. This isn't an issue for young players. It's only a real issue when a player at or past their prime, on a long-term deal, is settled with their own family. Even then the issue is quickly resolved. Only in some extreme cases do families end up not liking the new destination and that can cause some strain.

 

[bicboi64]

My issue with the trade was the overall direction of the team. It didn't make much sense and seemed to be a symptom of a problem (PD not being the best evaluator of talent). We lucked out with the 3rd overall pick just as Colorado lucked out with the 4th overall (we hsouldn't have been that bad with the talent we had, just as the SJS shouldn't have been that bad). Does it suck that we lost a home grown generational player? Yup, and no reason will help the wound aside from PD being a better GM. He's been doing a decent job as a gm and it looks like he's learning from his mistakes. He's trending in the right direction and if he makes the pieces from the trade work to make this team better, to me that's enough. DeMelo helped keep some of our young guys sheltered, Tierney is going to be a stop gap that helps with the overall development of our centres, guys like Balcers and Norris (if they make the team) can help build the top 6 and if Stuetzle is the real deal, the trade will hurt less and less over time

 

[Sweatred]

These guys do have family and he is from Ontario, so maybe he is sad that he didn't get drafted by Ottawa, a city in the province where his mom, dad, maybe a sister and grandparents actually live. Maybe he wanted to be part of the FYOUS that he has heard so much about. You point has already been proven wrong multiple times, no matter how many scenarios you provide.

You havn’t proven a thing ... I don’t know a thing about you other than I would spend $50 million differently living in Ottawa vs NYC or LA than you would.

 

[JD1]

Ya, who wants to live in California, Vegas, or Tampa …. plus all the extra sun screen you have to buy practically cancels out the tax advantage.

I grew up with winter. i like winter. And i personally wouldn't live in any of the cities you mentioned. Wouldn't live in Toronto either.

 

[Sweatred]

I grew up with winter. i like winter. And i personally wouldn't live in any of the cities you mentioned. Wouldn't live in Toronto either.

Great ... who knows what your disposable income is or how you like to spend it. Ya, some millionaires live fairy simple but lots spend most of their means. Do you golf, boat, enjoy the sun , clubs, actresses, models, theatre, pro sports, fine dining , designer clothes? ? I’m tired of explaining the allure of big cities and warm weather. Yes, there are people who prefer Alaska, there always will be. North American Population density is pretty telling. There is hardly a city north of Montreal/Calgary over 1 million people.I bet it didn’t snow in Anaheim today. If you lived there you could play a round of golf and have lunch on a patio. Some people like that vs what ever your doing today.

 

[Answer]

When this ground breaking argument is over, can I finally know what we got for EK65? LOL

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Great ... who knows what your disposable income is or how you like to spend it. Ya, some millionaires live fairy simple but lots spend most of their means. Do you golf, boat, enjoy the sun , clubs, actresses, models, theatre, pro sports, fine dining , designer clothes? ? I’m tired of explaining the allure of big cities and warm weather. Yes, there are people who prefer Alaska, there always will be. North American Population density is pretty telling. There is hardly a city north of Montreal/Calgary over 1 million people.I bet it didn’t snow in Anaheim today. If you lived there you could play a round of golf and have lunch on a patio. Some people like that vs what ever your doing today.

Why don't you post some numbers or something that backs up your claims and be done with it instead of trying to "explain" it to everyone here?

 

[Sweatred]

Why don't you post some numbers or something that backs up your claims and be done with it instead of trying to "explain" it to everyone here?

People shouldn’t need a Geography lesson and I did post the 4 largest tourism economies on the continent.

Waste of time chatting with anyone who doesn’t know the difference between being a multi millionaire in LA, Florida, Ottawa, or Deep River.

 

[Dingle]

When this ground breaking argument is over, can I finally know what we got for EK65? LOL

the Number 3 overall pick...Tim Stuzule (sorry about the spelling)...where you been?

 

[Sweatred]

the Number 3 overall pick...Tim Stuzule (sorry about the spelling)...where you been?

Im still waiting to hear what we did with the 2020 3rd we got ... and confirm if we still have a 2021 second ?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Give me a few million USD a year and I'll even play in North Korea during the season

 

[Dingle]

Why don't you post some numbers or something that backs up your claims and be done with it instead of trying to "explain" it to everyone here?

Gesus,

Million head south every year. Remember the first week of lockdown. Some 1 million Canadians returned home. these were snowbirds. If you estimate that to be 1/2 of all snowbirds. We are talking 2 million. Out of a population of 37 million. A good 6%..and these are the retirees. Can you imagine if all Canadians could go???? Canada's winter population would be reduced to near zero.

More numbers. take a good look at the earth's population. Nearly 90 percent lives within the band from the equator to about the Canada/USA border (38/39 parallel, I forget) and south to a near similar parallel.

We are here because, we have little choice...The only English speaking nation of access is: The USA and good luck getting in. GB gets a miserable winter. Europe is difficult to immigrate to. And language issues have to be overcome. Not to mention good luck in getting work and dealing with European Xenophobia.

You can go to places like the Arab world (I know)..but you will last a week. India..you will last a day. Africa...about an hour.

The reality is: most of us would head south and to "more dynamic and warmer" US cities if we could...so a 20 something athlete, who could...inevitably will...Old Wayne G., Mark Messier, couldn't wait to get out. Mr. To..Shanahan...still lives in NY, commutes and stays in TO a few days a week.....Mesi Ugeri lives in TO, By good old Canadian boy Shanahan, NY....

The one time GM of the Canadians, one Pierre Gautier..lived in the US while GM of the Canadians...It must have sat real well with Quebec Franco's...but then again, about 1/2 million of them, head down to Florida each winter.

 

[Dingle]

Give me a few million USD a year and I'll even play in North Korea during the season

and the same few million but with all options, where then? Still North Korea? I am guessing not.

Free agency is at 24-27 years of age.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

and the same few million but with all options, where then? Still North Korea? I am guessing not.

Free agency is at 24-27 years of age.

I'll be partying with Kim Jong-un.

Not many people can say that

 

[Micklebot]

Gesus,

Million head south every year. Remember the first week of lockdown. Some 1 million Canadians returned home. these were snowbirds. If you estimate that to be 1/2 of all snowbirds. We are talking 2 million. Out of a population of 37 million. A good 6%..and these are the retirees. Can you imagine if all Canadians could go???? Canada's winter population would be reduced to near zero.

More numbers. take a good look at the earth's population. Nearly 90 percent lives within the band from the equator to about the Canada/USA border (38/39 parallel, I forget) and south to a near similar parallel.

We are here because, we have little choice...The only English speaking nation of access is: The USA and good luck getting in. GB gets a miserable winter. Europe is difficult to immigrate to. And language issues have to be overcome. Not to mention good luck in getting work and dealing with European Xenophobia.

You can go to places like the Arab world (I know)..but you will last a week. India..you will last a day. Africa...about an hour.

The reality is: most of us would head south and to "more dynamic and warmer" US cities if we could...so a 20 something athlete, who could...inevitably will...Old Wayne G., Mark Messier, couldn't wait to get out. Mr. To..Shanahan...still lives in NY, commutes and stays in TO a few days a week.....Mesi Ugeri lives in TO, By good old Canadian boy Shanahan, NY....

The one time GM of the Canadians, one Pierre Gautier..lived in the US while GM of the Canadians...It must have sat real well with Quebec Franco's...but then again, about 1/2 million of them, head down to Florida each winter.

Is warm weather the reason NYC is the biggest city in the US or can they all not move south to a warmer city because the other states will turn them away?

 

[Dingle]

Is warm weather the reason NYC is the biggest city in the US or can they all not move south to a warmer city because the other states will turn them away?

NY was an early landing point for settlers. Remember Plymouth Rock. Open Google map. it is about 100 K form NY and 100 K for Boston. So, it expanded quickly, became a hub and has maintained its status as a main city. Now add that shipping which begins in; England, France, Spain or portugal, would thanks to currents, land you in: NY and that northern 70-80% of the US coast. Ergo Phili to Boston.

Florida, Texas, California, and other states are climbing the population ranks in the USA quickly.

take a look at the fast risers:

Now the slow risers/droppers

how many are cold, how many are warm?

NY increased 0.4% in 10 years....birth rate is ~ 1.7% annually so, ~ 19% left. The state of NY and the City of NY should be about 2 million people more.

We all want warmth, no snow, no cold..beaches, parks, outdoor cafes, restaurants, pubs, etc... Ottawa is gorgeous early May to Late September. Ugly Late September to early May. If I am a 24 year old athlete and assuming the money is the same, or near same (remember tax differences). I am in one of about a dozen cities/communities. Ottawa is probably not one of them. Nor would most other Canadian cities. Nor would about a 1/2 dozen northern US locations (say Buffalo)

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

People shouldn’t need a Geography lesson and I did post the 4 largest tourism economies on the continent.

Waste of time chatting with anyone who doesn’t know the difference between being a multi millionaire in LA, Florida, Ottawa, or Deep River.

Gesus,

Million head south every year. Remember the first week of lockdown. Some 1 million Canadians returned home. these were snowbirds. If you estimate that to be 1/2 of all snowbirds. We are talking 2 million. Out of a population of 37 million. A good 6%..and these are the retirees. Can you imagine if all Canadians could go???? Canada's winter population would be reduced to near zero.

More numbers. take a good look at the earth's population. Nearly 90 percent lives within the band from the equator to about the Canada/USA border (38/39 parallel, I forget) and south to a near similar parallel.

We are here because, we have little choice...The only English speaking nation of access is: The USA and good luck getting in. GB gets a miserable winter. Europe is difficult to immigrate to. And language issues have to be overcome. Not to mention good luck in getting work and dealing with European Xenophobia.

You can go to places like the Arab world (I know)..but you will last a week. India..you will last a day. Africa...about an hour.

The reality is: most of us would head south and to "more dynamic and warmer" US cities if we could...so a 20 something athlete, who could...inevitably will...Old Wayne G., Mark Messier, couldn't wait to get out. Mr. To..Shanahan...still lives in NY, commutes and stays in TO a few days a week.....Mesi Ugeri lives in TO, By good old Canadian boy Shanahan, NY....

The one time GM of the Canadians, one Pierre Gautier..lived in the US while GM of the Canadians...It must have sat real well with Quebec Franco's...but then again, about 1/2 million of them, head down to Florida each winter.

I hear both of you and think it is a factor, albeit smaller than you gents, and I am not looking to wade in to the debate again, I'm just looking to see it demonstrated with information or links or anything really, as I assume more people would take it and run in that case.

 

[Dingle]

I hear both of you and think it is a factor, albeit smaller than you gents, and I am not looking to wade in to the debate again, I'm just looking to see it demonstrated with information or links or anything really, as I assume more people would take it and run in that case.

My reply is more connected to the global question of sports teams in "unfavourable" locals. The reality is: Canada takes a beating. Its weather and tax rates has meant that its sports teams are terribly disadvantaged. 27 years no Stanley Cup win. 27 years no MLB win. While The Raptors won in the NBA, it was after a 27 year struggle, aided by an angry San Antonio, who wanted to punish Kawhi by sending him to TO. In a move that backfired. Once the dust settles, it may take the Raptors another 27 years to win another.

As it applies to the Sens.. EK's wife is from Ottawa. And Cherchez La femme... A man will follow a women to hell if she asked him. EK would not give a rats ass about Ottawa if it were up to him....Remember Alfie..Ottawa's God..moved to the US, and left his family there. He may return occasionally, but they stay there.

As part of the EK question, it is another litre of broth, into a large soup pot.

again, I entered the debate to validate Sweetred's view of Ottawa's weather not being a favourable issue and it does interfere in decisions. Those that dismiss it, are not being realistic. Young men in their 20's want; fats cars; fast women, fast life..and sunny beaches to show off their muscles and tattoos...That ain't here.

 

[DaveMatthew]

People shouldn’t need a Geography lesson and I did post the 4 largest tourism economies on the continent.

Waste of time chatting with anyone who doesn’t know the difference between being a multi millionaire in LA, Florida, Ottawa, or Deep River.

Players care about three things, in this order:

1. Making, and keeping, as much money as they can
2. Playing for a franchise that will help them win, play well and put up numbers, so they can make, and keep, as much money as they can
3. Weather

Things they don't care about:

1. Restaurants, bars, clubs.

Professional athletes go out the restaurants and bars when they're on the road. Not when they're at home.

It's why Tampa (great weather, great franchise, low taxes, low cost of living, shit nightlife) is a much more attractive destination than LA (great weather, great franchise, high taxes, high cost of living, great nightlife).

And besides, being a "multi-millionaire" in LA or NY (as an average NHLer - the average salary is $2.25M) isn't all that great. In NY, you wouldn't even be considered rich. You'd be living in a modest, 950 square foot condo on the 10th floor and would stand in line behind the finance bros to get into the best restaurants.

At least in Pittsburgh or Ottawa you'd be at the top of the totem poll. A couple million in New York city? Not the same. The city's poorest millionaire...

 

[DaveMatthew]

As it applies to the Sens.. EK's wife is from Ottawa. And Cherchez La femme... A man will follow a women to hell if she asked him. EK would not give a rats ass about Ottawa if it were up to him....Remember Alfie..Ottawa's God..moved to the US, and left his family there. He may return occasionally, but they stay there.

As part of the EK question, it is another litre of broth, into a large soup pot.

Alfredsson and his family live in Ottawa year round.