News Article: What did the Senators get out of trading EK65

[DueDiligence]

Pretty sure Matt Murray is 26 and a multi millionaire. No, not a UFA, but we don't trade for him if he has no intention of living in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.

No one ever said Ottawa was a top destination. Stop moving the goalposts.

Matt Murray and his wife are from Thunder Bay. I am sure they are very happy to be in Ottawa for the foreseeable future where their families can see them easily. As well they probably are thinking about starting their own family and Ottawa is a great place to raise your kids.

 

[DueDiligence]

Ya, who wants to live in California, Vegas, or Tampa …. plus all the extra sun screen you have to buy practically cancels out the tax advantage.

So how many cities that you mention have you actually been to? Tampa is very different than Miami, LA different than San Jose and Vegas is unbearably hot in the summer and actually cold for couple of months in the winter.
Players like playing on good, well run teams first and foremost and weather is a secondary factor.

 

[Micklebot]

Alfredsson and his family live in Ottawa year round.

Surely that doesn't count... for... Reasons.

 

[DueDiligence]

People shouldn’t need a Geography lesson and I did post the 4 largest tourism economies on the continent.

Waste of time chatting with anyone who doesn’t know the difference between being a multi millionaire in LA, Florida, Ottawa, or Deep River.

Nope!
NYC #1 , Orlando #2 , Vegas #3 and Chicago #4.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Surely that doesn't count... for... Reasons.

This idea that no one wants to live in Ottawa is just lazy. When we were good, we had no trouble signing our star players.

Outside of Chara, we didnt lose big name players pre-2016.

Heatley asked for a trade, but that had more to do with coaching. Even Chara, he left because we chose Redden.

We kept Alfredsson. We kept Redden. We kept Spezza. We kept Karlsson. We kept Hossa. We kept Ryan.

All of those players chose to re-sign here, when they were stars.

Players left in recent years because of how the organization is run. Not because of the weather.

 

[Sweatred]

This idea that no one wants to live in Ottawa is just lazy. When we were good, we had no trouble signing our star players.

Outside of Chara, we didnt lose big name players pre-2016?

Heatley asked for a trade, but that had more to do with coaching. Even Chara, he left because we chose Redden.

We kept Alfredsson. We kept Redden. We kept Spezza. We kept Karlsson. We kept Hossa. We kept Ryan.

All of those players chose to re-sign here, when they were stars.

Players left in recent years because of how the organization is run. Not because of the weather.

Actually, Spezza, healtly, havlat, Chara, Hossa all left. Signing your own RFA’s doesn’t mean players like your city. UFA was 30 back than so “our” players couldn’t really leave other than by pulling a “Yashin”.

The real measure is who did we get acquire ? Toronto was loading up on FA’s all the time. They had more money but we did it really attract anyone.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Actually, Spezza, healtly, havlat, Chara, Hossa all left. Signing your own RFA’s doesn’t mean players like your city. UFA was 30 back than so “our” players couldn’t really leave other than by pulling a “Yashin”.

The real measure is who did we get acquire ? Toronto was loading up on FA’s all the time. They had more money but we did it really attract anyone.

We traded Spezza, Heatley, Hossa and Havlat.

Hell, Hossa signed here and we traded him the next day, completely blindsiding him. But I’m sure he definitely wanted to leave.

And when you draft your own stars, you don’t really need to sign big name UFAs.

What UFAs has Tampa signed in the last 20 years? Pat Maroon? Guess no one wants to go there!

But sure, every player hates Ottawa and dreams of spending their Friday nights at Tao. Players are characters in Keeping up with the Kardashians, not guys who want to spend time at home with their wives and kids since they’re on the road half the year.

It snowed today and Karlsson, Stone and Turris are all back in town waiting for the season to start. Young millionaires choosing to be here. Hmm...

 

[Micklebot]

So how many cities that you mention have you actually been to? Tampa is very different than Miami, LA different than San Jose and Vegas is unbearably hot in the summer and actually cold for couple of months in the winter.
Players like playing on good, well run teams first and foremost and weather is a secondary factor.

The weird part of this argument is that many players do not live in their teams city in the offseason and during the season spend half of it on the road. So we are really supposed to believe that whether is a critical point of consideration for someone that spends maybe 4 or 5 months in the city when you remove road trips and off season?

 

[Sweatred]

This is such a loser, homer argument if you don’t think “city status” has anything to do with attracting players.... and yes... I mean beyond the hockey part.

Many of the guys that live here get modest/token homes in Stittsville /Kanata ... they are really just renting out middle class homes. Some of their wives and kids don’t even come here.

Some try to buy nicer places but it’s all forced and misty aways from the rink.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

A few of the older folks with families in the league want to be in Canada for next year for obvious reasons.

 

[DaveMatthew]

This is such a loser, homer argument if you don’t think “city status” has anything to do with attracting players.... and yes... I mean beyond the hockey part.

Nobody says it has nothing to do it. It’s just far, far from the only thing that matters.

- Money
- Chance to win
- Role on team and familiarity with coaches
- Support system and proximity to family and friends
- Feeling “wanted”

All of these things matter, and every player is different.

Thinking that every player wants to be in LA because of restaurants, clubs and weather, and ignoring every other thing, is a “loser” argument.

 

[Sweatred]

Nobody says it has nothing to do it. It’s just far, far from the only thing that matters.

- Money
- Chance to win
- Role on team
- Familiarity with coaches
- Support system and proximity to family and friends

All of these things matter, and every player is different.

Thinking that every player wants to be in LA because of restaurants, clubs and weather, and ignoring every other thing, is a “loser” argument.

It’s a gradient - and we’re at the opposite end ... Nashville, NYC, Vancouver , South Carolina etc etc. Lots of destinations between Ottberia and LA.

 

[DaveMatthew]

It’s a gradient - and we’re at the opposite end ... Nashville, NYC, Vancouver , South Carolina etc etc. Lots of destinations between Ottberia and LA.

Sure. And again, a blanket statement means nothing. How many players left Vancouver to go to Calgary (aka Western Ottawa) this free-agency?
What big name free agents did the Hurricanes (FYI North Carolina) sign?

 

[Micklebot]

Sure. And again, a blanket statement means nothing. How many players left Vancouver to go to Calgary (aka Western Ottawa) this free-agency?
What big name free agents did the Hurricanes (FYI North Carolina) sign?

Who's the last big UFA signing LA got? I mean, I guess they signed Kovalchuk? It's not like UFA are throwing themselves at LA.

 

[Sweatred]

Who's the last big UFA signing LA got? I mean, I guess they signed Kovalchuk? It's not like UFA are throwing themselves at LA.

Silly me ... you are so right. Cleary players view every city equally.

Im going to go make a snow man and order a Gabriel’s pizza.

 

[Dingle]

Players care about three things, in this order:

1. Making, and keeping, as much money as they can
2. Playing for a franchise that will help them win, play well and put up numbers, so they can make, and keep, as much money as they can
3. Weather

Things they don't care about:

1. Restaurants, bars, clubs.

Professional athletes go out the restaurants and bars when they're on the road. Not when they're at home.

It's why Tampa (great weather, great franchise, low taxes, low cost of living, shit nightlife) is a much more attractive destination than LA (great weather, great franchise, high taxes, high cost of living, great nightlife).

And besides, being a "multi-millionaire" in LA or NY (as an average NHLer - the average salary is $2.25M) isn't all that great. In NY, you wouldn't even be considered rich. You'd be living in a modest, 950 square foot condo on the 10th floor and would stand in line behind the finance bros to get into the best restaurants.

At least in Pittsburgh or Ottawa you'd be at the top of the totem poll. A couple million in New York city? Not the same. The city's poorest millionaire...

so a 24 year old, does not want a ferrari and to buzz up and down beachfront hwys. Or be with his buddies on South Beach or HWY 1A in california? But prefers to be huddled up in his condo for 5 months, while the weather is -10 or colder? And his wife or girlfriend, who is herself 20-24, is okay being cooped up for 5 months..and she must feel great when for a few weeks a year, hubby is in Florida or California, los Vegas, etc. when she may be up here in a snowstorm????

The list isn't
1) money
2) lifestyle...thus weather...cool place to live..hip, etc.
3) fast cars, fast women, fast life

You mean the average 24 year old hockey player has the sensibility of a 54 year old accountant. You mean the bulk of all athletes do not end up blowing much of their earnings within a few years of retirement... Danny Heatley did not wrap his Ferrari around a post and kill his best friend? Glenn Anderson has not been haunted by the death of a guy at a large pool party he was hosting?

Gretzky is not selling his home in Sherwood????

Dave, you need to watch Hockey wives!!!! I wish you could hear Sue imitate Getzlaf's wife "Are we gonna take the Ferrari!!!!!" you would die laughing.

You may be a big fish in a small pond in Ottawa, but for a 24 year old pro athlete, you want the deep ocean. Driving your ferrari here in January is a tad risky..Plus who knows if that sucker has a block heater..I am guessing not.

Alfie was wise beyond his years...the exception, not the rule.

 

[Micklebot]

Silly me ... you are so right. Cleary players view every city equally.

Im going to go make a snow man and order a Gabriel’s pizza.

Another straw man, . The argument being made is that weather is not as high on the list of reasons players choose a city as you seem to be suggesting.

Clearly we're done since you feel it necessary to resort to straw man arguments as per usual, I'll leave this here and be on my way.

 

[Sweatred]

Another straw man, . The argument being made is that weather is not as high on the list of reasons players choose a city as you seem to be suggesting.

Clearly we're done since you feel it necessary to resort to straw man arguments as per usual, I'll leave this here and be on my way.

Have you ever had a discussion without referencing an “argument” type... it’s an eye roll every time you use the word... it’s childish to use your “big words” like you think your part of some elite that only knows what they mean ...

I’m saying Ottawa is a lame City for rich 20 year old guys.... (Im not sure you get that part). Weather, taxes, beaches, bars, housing, shopping, dining, models, clubs, etc etc. No idea what you are in too... but feel free to share who does your suits, best bottle of wine you’ve had, who designed your home, or your favourite restaurant in Toronto .. it would give me a ballpark ...

There is a reason why teams spend as little time in Ottawa as possible between Tor-OTT-MTl road trips. They are in and out as fast as possible.

 

[DaveMatthew]

so a 24 year old, does not want a ferrari and to buzz up and down beachfront hwys. Or be with his buddies on South Beach or HWY 1A in california? But prefers to be huddled up in his condo for 5 months, while the weather is -10 or colder? And his wife or girlfriend, who is herself 20-24, is okay being cooped up for 5 months..and she must feel great when for a few weeks a year, hubby is in Florida or California, los Vegas, etc. when she may be up here in a snowstorm????

The list isn't
1) money
2) lifestyle...thus weather...cool place to live..hip, etc.
3) fast cars, fast women, fast life

You mean the average 24 year old hockey player has the sensibility of a 54 year old accountant. You mean the bulk of all athletes do not end up blowing much of their earnings within a few years of retirement... Danny Heatley did not wrap his Ferrari around a post and kill his best friend? Glenn Anderson has not been haunted by the death of a guy at a large pool party he was hosting?

Gretzky is not selling his home in Sherwood????

Dave, you need to watch Hockey wives!!!! I wish you could hear Sue imitate Getzlaf's wife "Are we gonna take the Ferrari!!!!!" you would die laughing.

You may be a big fish in a small pond in Ottawa, but for a 24 year old pro athlete, you want the deep ocean. Driving your ferrari here in January is a tad risky..Plus who knows if that sucker has a block heater..I am guessing not.

Alfie was wise beyond his years...the exception, not the rule.

Oh, I didn’t know!

Is that why Crosby and Malkin have stayed in Pittsburgh their whole careers? And why Ovechkin lives in Washington DC?

Why McDavid and Draisaitl re-signed long-term in Edmonton? Eichel in Buffalo? Jones in Columbus? Chabot in Ottawa? Scheifele and Connor in Winnipeg?

I guess those guys were never 24 year old millionaires!

85% of the time, star players would rather stay with the team that drafts them. Big city or small city, cold or warm.

That has been proven time and time again.

 

[Dingle]

Matt Murray and his wife are from Thunder Bay. I am sure they are very happy to be in Ottawa for the foreseeable future where their families can see them easily. As well they probably are thinking about starting their own family and Ottawa is a great place to raise your kids.

Murray is injured and his career may be over. We will know soon. How many teams do you think offered a two year contract at that dollar value? What do you think the odds would be that he would have signed here if uninjured???

Two tickets round trip to the US on an American carrier and being bought for and paid in US dollars is about the same as airplane tickets TB to Ottawa. You fly on some local jumper to Pearson and then to the USA.. They will see their parents about the same as if they lived in the USA. In fact a jumper TB to Duluth Min. and then onto other US cities is probably way easier

Murray has lived in the USA the last 6-7 years (accounting for time in the minors). Let's see how they do in January. Scranton-Wilkes Barre and Pittsburgh do not get anywhere near Ottawa's weather. We will see!!!

 

[Korpse]

Murray is injured and his career may be over.

wut???

 

[Sweatred]

Oh, I didn’t know!

Is that why Crosby and Malkin have stayed in Pittsburgh their whole careers? And why Ovechkin lives in Washington DC?

Why McDavid and Draisaitl re-signed long-term in Edmonton? Eichel in Buffalo? Jones in Columbus? Chabot in Ottawa? Scheifele and Connor in Winnipeg?

I guess those guys were never 24 year old millionaires!

85% of the time, star players would rather stay with the team that drafts them. Big city or small city, cold or warm.

That has been proven time and time again.

Do you know what RFA is ? Specially the “restricted” part and what is takes for an RFA to find their way from .... say Ottberia to San Jose as an RFA ?

Crosby is the poster boy for clean wholesome living.... he would have played his career out in Quebec City if drafted there.

 

[Micklebot]

Have you ever had a discussion without referencing an “argument” type... it’s an eye roll every time you use the word... it’s childish to use your “big words” like you think your part of some elite that only knows what they mean ...

I sure do, lots of people are capable of having a discussion without using fallacious arguments. Maybe it's just you... If you find it frustrating to have it pointed out when you use such arguments, there's a simple solution, don't do it, it doesn't strengthen your position when you use these types of arguments so why bother.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Do you know what RFA is ? Specially the “restricted” part and what is takes for an RFA to find their way from .... say Ottberia to San Jose as an RFA ?

And yet, McDavid signed a contract to stay in Edmonton well into his UFA years. Chabot did the same in Ottawa. Eichel did the same in Buffalo.

But Matthews signed a contract that didn’t eat up any UFA years with big market Toronto and Point has not committed long-term to Tampa.

Then you have the UFAs. Dadonov left south beach for Ottawa. Markstrom left Vancouver for Calgary. Hall left the best golf destination city in North America for Buffalo.

Hmm.

It’s almost like different things matter to different players.

 

[Sweatred]

I sure do, lots of people are capable of having a discussion without using fallacious arguments. Maybe it's just you... If you find it frustrating to have it pointed out when you use such arguments, there's a simple solution, don't do it, it doesn't strengthen your position when you use these types of arguments so why bother.

Naaa .ironically your own argument was flawed cause you know dam well Ottberia is lame for more than just the “weather” you tried to pin on me.... what type of argument is that again ?