What changes next year?

[Goomba]

I wouldn't touch that. Severson is not close to Nylander in value -- there would be too much sweetener needed which would turn this into a "pile it on deal" where the Leafs get a few pieces. We need to swap one of the Big 4 for a similar D...

Marner for Jones (with an extension).

Nylander, Amirov and Liljegren for Jones (with an extension) and a pick.

Marner for Dahlin.

Marner for Konecny, Sanheim and a 1st.

Nylander and Dermott for Dougie Hamilton (extended).

Marner and Liljegren for Gaudreau and Hanifin.

Something along those lines...

Mitch Marner doesnt get you an extended Jones

thats loopy land talk

 

[Lauro]

Need to trade Mitch at least. My favourite hockey player since entering the league until his contract holdout. Sad.

 

[Egghead1999]

Mitch Marner doesnt get you an extended Jones

thats loopy land talk

MM is only 25M real money for 4 years. He has very good value for a non-cap team, the only issue is his cap space.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Trade Reilly
Sandin can be as affective at a quarter of the cost.

No more over-the-hill retreads who get to play based on past performance.
Thornton and Simmonds both disappeared, Brooks should have been in instead.

Wave good bye to Freddie.

 

[Matty Sundin]

Trade marner should be an option on his own on the pill. He’s about the join the likes of other players in the past that have been ran out of town.

 

[The Promised Land]

(Moved from other thread - meant to post it here)

Late to the party but my take going forward is yes - try and trade Marner as a way of changing the core. However, in all likelihood this will be hard to accomplish because of his contract.

But at the very least don't mortgage anything for the now. Don't re-sign Andersen, Simmonds, Thornton (probably retiring anyway), Rittich, Nash. Explore Hyman but he is not worth more than 3 million at the most. See if Bogo and Spezza are willing to come back for at or near what they made this year. Same with Galchenyuk and Hutton (why not).

No trading picks or prospects, no deadline deals. In fact - if there are any expiring contracts and it makes sense - see if you can recoup some picks/prospects at the deadline. Don't do anything to augment the core like was done this year. Give lots of playing time to youth. Sandin should get a chance at a regular shift from the beginning of the season - same to Robertson, hell even Liljegren if he has a good camp. Aside from youth, look at filling the bottom six with speed - I think we looked painfully slow at times compared to Montreal.

I know there are a lot of Dubas critics here - that's fair but I am not one of them. I thought he did a terrific job this year filling gaps and adding grit, leadership and overall depth. How can we blame him for the top players falling off the face of the earth when it mattered the most? Keefe I give a shorter leash to, and certainly Malhotra has to go. There is no excuse for a PP being so inept with such a pool of talent.

 

[Superstar]

Big trade...ship Marner out for Eichel, or work out a deal with Columbus for Jones.

 

[koyvoo]

Changes?

The only issue with this team is Fred Andersen. Right?

 

[glue]

It’s gonna be extremely difficult for me as a fan to watch this same core again next year regardless of who they are surrounded by. If there are no major changes this off-season, The next time I watch a game will be IF leafs are in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It’s just not worth it otherwise. Too many losers on this team

 

[Superstar]

I wouldn't touch that. Severson is not close to Nylander in value -- there would be too much sweetener needed which would turn this into a "pile it on deal" where the Leafs get a few pieces. We need to swap one of the Big 4 for a similar D...

Marner for Jones (with an extension).

Nylander, Amirov and Liljegren for Jones (with an extension) and a pick.

Marner for Dahlin.

Marner for Konecny, Sanheim and a 1st.

Nylander and Dermott for Dougie Hamilton (extended).

Marner and Liljegren for Gaudreau and Hanifin.

Something along those lines...

Nylander needs to stay...he performed well in these playoffs and is on a decent contract...Marner is the one that needs to be traded.

 

[IPS]

Late to the party but my take going forward is yes - try and trade Marner as a way of changing the core. However, in all likelihood this will be hard to accomplish because of his contract.

No, it won't. In fact, it's fantastic. The flat cap with broke teams makes Marner more tradeable than ever. The cap - actual pay ratio is great for poor teams, and Mitch can even help blast them to the postseason to make a few more bucks.

 

[Duanesutter12]

Kings fan coming in peace but I recall a respected either former coach or GM say Lou wouldn’t have never given out that money to four forwards.

Well the reality is while GM of the Isles he offered more money to Tavares than the Leafs did and I would also point out that we are in cap hell as well. So I don't think it's all that fair to say he wouldn't have given out that kind of money because to one of them he actually did, and he wasn't put in the same situation as Dubas with three young stars needing to be signed. With that said, the Isle are a better constructed team and Lou does get the credit for that as Dubas should get the blame for not meeting the Leafs needs.

 

[yubbers]

It's hard to blame him.

Almost everyone thought this team was good enough to beat the Canadiens. Fans, analysts, everyone. What the players did on the ice is disgraceful.

This is all on the players + coaching staff.

The GM put together the players and the coaching staff........

 

[Bellefour20]

All of the above plus fire Marner into the sun

 

[KapG]

I’d like to see Rielly go, or at least treated more as a #2 or #3.

not sure how you don’t explore trading marner too.

 

[Nylanderthal]

A

Mitch Marner doesnt get you an extended Jones

thats loopy land talk

According to the few BJ fans on the main boards who’ve been in active in the thread, it really isn’t “loopy land” and some e dm suggest a + from them would be in order if for no other reason than to balance the cap out. jones + jennet for marner + dermott isn’t loopy land

 

[Duanesutter12]

Dubas needs to go as does his boss. Him and his fake glasses. Lou should have stayed.
We needed young bulls and he brought in old fools. He built this team. His changes, his coach. He is a guy who thinks he is right no matter what. He is wrong. I hated the hire from day one and hate it more then ever.

As an Isles fan I can say I know your team's situation well because of Tavares. Him signing with the Leafs was bad all around- for the Leafs, the Isles and Tavares. I know it's revisionist history but he was a luxury the Leafs didn't really need at the time considering they knew they had to sign Matthews, Marner and Nylander. Take away his $11m and they could have used the money to round out the team with defense and toughness which have been sorely lacking since he signed. As for the Isles, I really feel we would have had a decent shot of beating the Bolts last year if he was with the team. We couldn't match their firepower and obviously JT would've really helped in that regard.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Nylander needs to stay...he performed well in these playoffs and is on a decent contract...Marner is the one that needs to be traded.

100%.

Nylander showed he has that extra gear needed for playoff hockey. I would gladly have him on my team and he can definitely be a part of the solution. The guy was getting physical, showing leadership, and backchecking hard despite losing his linemate in game 1.

The one guy who had an excuse as his line got scrambled was the one who showed up. I think he has truly elevated his stature as a Leaf after this series.

Matthews and Tavares (NMC) aren't going anywhere.

This leaves Marner and Rielly.

I think a trade like Marner for Jones is a good one (if possible) to restructure the cap. Even the idea of bringing in an expensive forward like Eichel is iffy as it continues the same issue of a top-heavy team. Although I do think he would be a very good playoff performer once he gets into the postseason.

I just hope they don't think it's sensible to run with the same core again. This core has no chance against TB, Boston, or Florida in a playoff series next season.

 

[William Hylander]

Marner needs to go and you really need to consider trading Matthews for an absolute haul to reset this completely.

 

[TopChedder]

Didnt the raptors finish like last place?

After almost a decade of 50+ wins, 2 conference finals, and a title lol

Top player development
Top scouts
Winning culture

Only reason they are out this year is Tampa, covid hit the team, and they made a few moves to take a run at the Freek but he resigned in Milwaukee and we got stuck without C's.

The Raptors Organization makes the Leafs look like ECHL.

 

[TiMo15]

Fix the PP, it's so one dimensional and easy to defend. GM cannot control the top player to show up or not. It's on the players. Some depth would have to go. One vintage is good enough but not two. Sense that one or two coaching staffs might be gone because of the PP and PK failure as well. Keefe and Dubas might have one more season to prove.

Since JT cannot be moved and Nylander contract looks a lot better after the playoff series, Marner is probably the only one who could be the odd man out, they really need his $10m cap space to retool the defence, and depth with GRIT. It proved that the $40m strategy didn't work with the last two early exit.

 

[Puckclektr]

Wtf lol.. “if they would’ve won they would’ve been good”.

But... you didn’t. So the players weren’t the right ones

And fans were confident going into the playoffs with the team they had.

 

[DanielMarois]

No more reclamation projects like Thronton, Galchenyuk, etc.

 

[Puckclektr]

He traded away our grit in Kadri. Didn't get Simmonds at that deadline like he should have to insulate the only grit on the team.

Let Hainsey walk after Reily had a career year with him and replaced him with Cody f***ing Ceci. Hahaha. . TRades Marleau for a cap dump only to miss the playoffs.

I liked the Muzzin signing. But Ceci and Barrie were a laugh.

Let McBackup alk for Sparks and we bled points for half a season because of it.

Why do we have little cap space? Because of Kyle.

We literally just wasted half our AM years letting a f***ing rookie GM learn on the job. MLSE is a joke.

Yeah he did make some bad trades in the past. how good would Kadri be right now in the press box.
barrie leaves the leafs and then what happens in Edmonton. Was near or at the top in scoring. Same prior to when he got here. Dubas got him here and then he does nothing and then lights it up when he leaves. Maybe that was a coaching issue.
And Kerfoot was arguably the best forward in the series.
I was mostly talking about what he did to address the teams after the failures last playoffs. He did exactly what was needed.

 

[Puckclektr]

It's not just the Foligno trade, he traded away a lot of picks for an all-in year. You can't go all-in at the deadline and not make it out of the first round. As for the bad contracts, let's remember, these were RFAs. If some team wanted to give away 4 1st round picks to overpay, then let them do it. It's a better for the team long term, then to go through these 1st round losses. I

Many teams go all out and not make it out of the first round. Dubas addressed the teams needs and the team didn’t do their best.