What’s the team need?

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TML Dynasty

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Power forward type in top 6 to create space for Matthews. Sucks he can’t create that for himself but it is what it is.

Anyone else constantly get these ads that don’t even allow a member to fully read the board?
Yep it’s absolutely insane. Worst ads I’ve ever seen. Only possible reason is to force people into paying for no ads. The banner on the bottom is annoying but I get it. These borders every 3 fricking seconds drives me away from the site every time.
 

NVious

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This is gonna be a bit delusional, but bear with me. this is based on what I just saw in the playoffs;

1.We need a big #1C who can score a ton of goals and be effective defensively
2.We need an awesome winger who can feed people, back check, kill pks and lay a bit of a hit here or there
3.We need an experienced 2C who has been around the league and can be a leader

I know I know it's Toronto and we have to be realistic with what we can actually get, but one can dream!
 

mjd1001

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If you could add it 'for free' (not worrying about the cap or trading assets off the team), I think one D-man, 1st pair quality (Doesn't have to be a superstar, just really really good), who will be on the ice for 20-24 minutes per game. Someone with at least 4-5 years of experience but younger than 32.

If you added that to this current team with NO other changes, I think that alone would put them over the top.

Of course that would be the thing to add to this team, how do you get one of those without taking away something from the current team...is the issue.
 

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The team needs an element of F you in the playoffs that this group just doesnt have. Time to trade marner for a gritty center like Dubois. Sign Orlov and Bertuzzi in the offseason.
 

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This is how you do it.

Zito's rebuild as Panthers GM results in trip to Eastern Conference Final,​

Roster overhaul, culture shift paying off for Florida in 3rd season​

May 16, 2023

When Bill Zito joined the Florida Panthers as their general manager on Sept. 2, 2020, he looked at the days and the weeks and the months that stretched out in front of him and saw a marathon ahead. He knew he had the right building blocks -- center Aleksander Barkov, goalie Sergei Bobrovsky, defenseman Aaron Ekblad -- but he also knew he needed so much more to find a finish line he could barely see at the time.

He, as he said then, was on mile 1.

The miles have fallen away under Zito's feet as the years have gone on, as he has added, piece by piece, player by player, contract by contract, to a team that has seen near-complete turnover in the three seasons since. "How do I say this?" coach Paul Maurice said. "The spine it took to do what he did …"

And then there was the big one, the franchise-altering, NHL-shaking, Twitter-shattering trade that Zito pulled off on July 22, 2022, sending forward Jonathan Huberdeau, defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, forward prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft to the Calgary Flames for the brash, goal-scoring, hard-nosed, get-under-the-skin forward Matthew Tkachuk and a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2025 draft.

Which is why it makes sense that, when Zito is asked for his vision when he was hired, he starts with, "Oh, boy."

Continued ... Zito's rebuild as Panthers GM results in trip to Eastern Conference Final
 

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Heart, balls, some f***ing testosterone and the will to put your body on the line instead of collecting a kajillion dollar paycheque
 

AvroArrow

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This team needs to change their image and identity.

Right now the identity of the maple leafs is: Soft, scared, can be pushed around, no fight, won't fight back. won't go into corners, scared of scrums, scared to fight, you can bully them, lots of skill but soft as butter. This team reminds me so much of the Sedins Canucks from like 2007-14 ish.

World class talent all around, not a single spine on any of the core guys. What kind of star players laugh and smile as they're being punched and rag dolled ? It carries over to the playoffs.

This team needs a new image, a new identity and a new leadership group. I really like Tavares but he brings that same energy and it spreads through the lineup. You can't fix this team until the culture changes. Not asking for a complete blow up, but we need core guys with guts. We've given these guys plenty of time, I don't think they'll grow balls overnight. Change the culture and change the team identity.
 

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I don't think it's rocket science - over the past several years, the team has tried to acquire the same sorts of things in the players they bring in.

It's Grit. Drive. Determination. Experience. Those intangibles that help you win in the post-season. This season it was ROR, Schenn, McCabe, and others. In previous seasons its been Nick Foligno, and Blackwell, and Muzzin and Clifford, and Simmonds through free agency, etc.

They've been adding those sorts of players to over-compensate for what the core lacks - the ability to play that rough and tumble playoff-style hockey.

Instead of always being in search of those elements because the core can't provide it, why not consider trading a core piece for a player that can actually bring that to you every day for the week?

I know those players are absolute unicorns across the league, but that would be the starting point of what I'd be trying to re-shuffle this offseason.
 
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Notsince67

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Team needs some luck.
Bob has 13.8 goals saved above expected in 11 games.
Crazy crazy performance.
I'm thinking the Leafs are just cursed. Shanny must have pissed off the hockey gods.
 

Notsince67

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I don't think it's rocket science - over the past several years, the team has tried to acquire the same sorts of things in the players they bring in.

It's Grit. Drive. Determination. Experience. Those intangibles that help you win in the post-season. This season it was ROR, Schenn, McCabe, and others. In previous seasons its been Nick Foligno, and Blackwell, and Muzzin and Clifford, and Simmonds through free agency, etc.

They've been adding those sorts of players to over-compensate for what the core lacks - the ability to play that rough and tumble playoff-style hockey.

Instead of always being in search of those elements because the core can't provide it, why not consider trading a core piece for a player that can actually bring that to you every day for the week?

I know those players are absolute unicorns across the league, but that would be the starting point of what I'd be trying to re-shuffle this offseason.
This is just machismo bullshit. The team was outscored. It wasn't manhandled. This soft bullshit is a bit annoying. Team lacked skill and speed.
 

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This is just machismo bullshit. The team was outscored. It wasn't manhandled. This soft bullshit is a bit annoying. Team lacked skill and speed.

Skill & speed doesn't get you to the tough areas of the ice to score those goals. They had the puck pretty much all night against Florida in games 2 and 5, as well as game 7 against Montreal, game 5 against CBJ, etc. It's always the same patterns.
 
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Notsince67

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Skill & speed doesn't get you to the tough areas of the ice to score those goals. They had the puck pretty much all night against Florida in games 2 and 5, as well as game 7 against Montreal, game 5 against CBJ, etc. It's always the same patterns.
How did Florida score? Was always an opportunistic rush with speed. Leafs had insufficient speed on the backcheck. Bob was insanely good in that his goals saved above expectation is really unheard of. The Leafs had plenty of amazing scoring chances. They needed higher frequency than the already high amount and they needed to counter the stretch pass and high speed rush that they're players didn't have speed to do.
 

Tak7

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How did Florida score? Was always an opportunistic rush with speed. Leafs had insufficient speed on the backcheck. Bob was insanely good in that his goals saved above expectation is really unheard of. The Leafs had plenty of amazing scoring chances. They needed higher frequency than the already high amount and they needed to counter the stretch pass and high speed rush that they're players didn't have speed to do.

We've tried the skill and speed approach.
It hasn't worked.

Time for something different.
 

Stephen

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We've tried the skill and speed approach.
It hasn't worked.

Time for something different.

I think we need a different mix as well. But speed and skill was always sort of false advertising with these Leafs. They don’t execute that fast and some of our key players like Matthews, Tavares and Marner aren’t actually all that speedy.
 

Notsince67

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We've tried the skill and speed approach.
It hasn't worked.

Time for something different.
Not on the D. Imagine a dman with close to Cale makar speed even if he is 1/2 as good
 

The Iceman

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You don't need 40 million dollar forwards. Look at Seattle, how are they scoring 6 goals in Oettenger in an elimination game? You need a well balanced lineup, not the top heavy bs we were running
ESPECIALLY if the refs do not call penalties.
 

ITM

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This team needs to change their image and identity.

Right now the identity of the maple leafs is: Soft, scared, can be pushed around, no fight, won't fight back. won't go into corners, scared of scrums, scared to fight, you can bully them, lots of skill but soft as butter. This team reminds me so much of the Sedins Canucks from like 2007-14 ish.

World class talent all around, not a single spine on any of the core guys. What kind of star players laugh and smile as they're being punched and rag dolled ? It carries over to the playoffs.

This team needs a new image, a new identity and a new leadership group. I really like Tavares but he brings that same energy and it spreads through the lineup. You can't fix this team until the culture changes. Not asking for a complete blow up, but we need core guys with guts. We've given these guys plenty of time, I don't think they'll grow balls overnight. Change the culture and change the team identity.
Absolutely! In a word...Entitled.

And that word used to be absolutely reviled in hockey as much as the word distraction is reviled for a neurosurgeon.

Its tempting to believe the core could mature, but how do you mature without adversity and how do you mature when you're rewarded whether you do or don't?

Edited to say: Tyler Bertuzzi as a start.
 

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Dreger on TSN:

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Leafs have lots of 'management types' part of the organization. Mentions both Gilman & Pridham, but believes team doesn't have interest in going back to a first-time GM again.

* Mentions Treliving's name. Praises Treliving for being brave to trade Tkachuk away (even though he lost the trade and had no choice but to move away an RFA who wouldn't sign...?), and thinks he might be a fit with Toronto.

* Bowman needs full approval from Bettman to rejoin the league, and speculates that he could be a qualified candidate.

*Doesn't think the Leafs can wait that long, because they need to get work done now.

* Thinks this becomes a huge factor for Matthews now - had a very close relationship with Dubas, and now becomes a big consideration not just for the extension but for the timing. Doesn't believe Matthews will be signed on July 1st.

* Thinks Matthews decision is also based on what happens to Marner. Wants Marner on the team .

* Doesn't know whether a new GM would want to make moves right away, or if he would want to consider waiting and getting a fuller scope of the organization and it's players.
 

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