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[rt]

How about the old Greyhound Park? It's 60 acres and owned by Sky Harbor. Can we bury the hatchet and make a deal?

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Isn’t the soccer team going there? Or is that karsten? I can’t keep track of the stupid soccer team. Can we get rid of it?

 

[Jamieh]

What does this mean? Lots of NHL teams don't own the arena they play in.

Guessing it means just pay rent and have no ability to create other revenue at venue.

 

[TheLegend]

Mayor 'encouraging' Arizona Coyotes to look at Mesa arena land

Could the Arizona Coyotes find a new arena home in Mesa and find a way to avoid a public vote like the squashed Tempe plans required?

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[Mosby]

What does this mean? Lots of NHL teams don't own the arena they play in.

Yup. I googled two at random. Anaheim and Florida. Neither do. I’m sure there are many more.

 

[Jamieh]

Yup. I googled two at random. Anaheim and Florida. Neither do. I’m sure there are many more.

Edmonton and Calgary

 

[XX]

A lot of cold water on Fiesta and SRPIC

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Isn’t the soccer team going there? Or is that karsten? I can’t keep track of the stupid soccer team. Can we get rid of it?

Soccer team PHX Rising is already there at PGP.

Mayor 'encouraging' Arizona Coyotes to look at Mesa arena land

Could the Arizona Coyotes find a new arena home in Mesa and find a way to avoid a public vote like the squashed Tempe plans required?

arizonasports.com

TEMPE: "we saved our landfill!"

MESA: "hold our beers, we have a dead mall!"

 

[Art.Vandelay]

Appears so. Extremely concerning.

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I'm curious about this too. I remember seeing something about a tribe reaching out to the Coyotes recently. I don't remember if that was from Craig or somewhere else. I haven't seen any specific tribe listed so I wonder what's up with that.

 

[rt]

A lot of cold water on Fiesta and SRPIC

The Fiesta poo-pooing seems to be centered on being a bit too far East (fair enough) and the idea that it would have to go on a ballot again. But that part confuses me. Craig read out loud the part about the criteria for going on ballot, and I don’t see why this would qualify. He read all of those words to show that it would, but I interpreted them in the exact opposite way.

Can anyone clarify?

 

[rt]

Soccer team PHX Rising is already there at PGP.


TEMPE: "we saved our landfill!"

MESA: "hold our beers, we have a dead mall!"

There you go. The Mesa mayor saying no vote necessary, private transaction. So why is Morgan saying there would have to be a vote?

 

[XX]

There you go. The Mesa mayor saying no vote necessary, private transaction. So why is Morgan saying there would have to be a vote?

Tax incentives and/or additional services/nearby infrastructure an arena district might incur would cross the low threshold ($1.5m)

More relevant is that it's privately owned and they don't need to sell to Meruelo.

 

[PainForShane]

@TheLegend @AZviaNJ thx for sharing / posting that pod. Listening to it rn.

Very grateful the PHNX team is even in existence, also imo the fake flyer at 11:30 was legitimately well done and very entertaining

 

[rt]

Tax incentives and/or additional services/nearby infrastructure an arena district might incur would cross the low threshold ($1.5m)

More relevant is that it's privately owned and they don't need to sell to Meruelo.

Additional nearby services and infrastructure should be paid for by the developer. I don’t think tax abatements would qualify as incurred cost.

Isn’t all land owned by somebody. And shouldn’t our hope be to deal only with private land owners as to avoid the public process (voting)?

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I would like to think if anyone knows how to finagle a deal to avoid a vote it would be the people in charge of making the deals.

Then again the Tempe city council all wanted the deal and they couldn’t figure it out so idk.

Just get something done

 

[rt]

I would like to think if anyone knows how to finagle a deal to avoid a vote it would be the people in charge of making the deals.

Then again the Tempe city council all wanted the deal and they couldn’t figure it out so idk.

Just get something done

Because it wasn’t zoned properly and was publicly owned. And the remediation was a bond issue. The city has to be involved. It’s why the council had to put out an RFP, vote, and refer to the voters. None of these things should have to happen at Fiesta, as far as I understand it.

The council may have to vote on an abatement. But the Public shouldn’t have to. It’s not as though all of those buildings along Tempe town lake all went to the ballot one by one due to GPLETS.

 

[HowlofRevel]

Because it wasn’t zoned properly and was publicly owned. And the remediation was a bond issue. The city has to be involved. It’s why the council had to put out an RFP, vote, and refer to the voters. None of these things should have to happen at Fiesta, as far as I understand it.

The council may have to vote on an abatement. But the Public shouldn’t have to. It’s not as though all of those buildings along Tempe town lake all went to the ballot one by one due to GPLETS.

Its directly in the city charter that tax concessions more than $1.5M for projects of this type must go to a public vote.

I don't think Tempe has such strict limitations, but the Coyotes project was going to be forced to a vote based on opposition getting enough signatures to force a referendum. Other Tempe GPLET's never had enough opposition for a referendum.

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[rt]

Its directly in the city charter that tax concessions more than $1.5M for projects of this type must go to a public vote.

I don't think Tempe has such strict limitations, but the Coyotes project was going to be forced to a vote based on opposition getting enough signatures to force a referendum. Other Tempe GPLET's never had enough opposition for a referendum.

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Thank you. But I’m still questioning if this is specific to on-site sales tax generation. It’s not a concession on an existing tax. It’s a cap or a delay on a new, non existent revenue stream. It seems like that’s different. If not by the letter (which I’m not convinced of) then certainly by the spirit.

 

[AZDesertKnight]

I'm starting to think an NHL forced sale to Isbia is our only hope.

 

[rt]

I should add that my hesitation to accept this is, in part, due to the mayor’s own comments. It seems like he would know.

 

[SniperHF]

By the way, would it be possible to call the Site: Black Mesa (Entertainment district)?
That would be awesome.

Not if it takes as long as Black Mesa took......

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I should add that my hesitation to accept this is, in part, due to the mayor’s own comments. It seems like he would know.

Mesa Mayor Giles is simply encouraging the Coyotes to consider what Mesa has to offer. That he "sees avenues that wouldn't require a public vote." He also said he hasn't even talked to the team (so he has no clue what AM really needs to make this work, to know for sure if one of those avenues is even a realistic possibility or not.)

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

So with this city charter, I'm not sure I get what it means. It sounds like if the City gives AM more than $1.5M towards the project, a vote is required. Does this mean that one of the "avenues" that Mayor Giles sees as a possibility is that AM and his investors don't take any money from the city as a way to avoid the vote? Like literally 100% privately funded, no fine print? Are there other ways around it?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Depending on how far up the 51 you are it almost be worth it to go out on Shea Blvd. to the Loop101 and then down.

I get in at Northern and Shea does move well, IDK. I can HOV lane all the way down until just south of the PCH and then Join the mess that is the exit to the 202. Only takes me 20-25 minutes to the Mullett, but the frustration factor is fairly high.

 

[TheLegend]

I get in at Northern and Shea does move well, IDK. I can HOV lane all the way down until just south of the PCH and then Join the mess that is the exit to the 202. Only takes me 20-25 minutes to the Mullett, but the frustration factor is fairly high.

Been that way a few times, Wife’s job was at 16th and Morten behind the Hilton there.

The Mini Stack is where it really sucks.

 

[cobra427]

I'm starting to think an NHL forced sale to Isbia is our only hope.

I am pretty sure Ishba is going to cut a deal to keep the Coyotes in Phx as a minority or majority owner. Ishba and his brother want to own other pro sports teams, this is a good match in the same market. I know the Coyotes have a suit filed against Phoenix but this can all be worked out. This is the best option and maybe the only option for the Coyotes.