Buffalo Bills Week 5: Bills v. Steelers (Sun. 10/9, 1:00PM)

[kirby11]

Heck of a comeback (and nice to kill the one score game monkey).

Question for McD and the offensive personnel decision makers: can they please, for the love of God, bench one of Moss or Cook next week, call up Duke Johnson, and have him be the primary platoon guy with Singletary? There's no way he can be worse than either of the other 2 guys.

Also, idk if they could afford to do this with how many other WRs they have dinged up, but it seems like they might be better served by giving Davis a week or two off instead of having him gut through games. He's clearly not himself with the ankle injury.

 

[Husko]

Heck of a comeback (and nice to kill the one score game monkey).

Question for McD and the offensive personnel decision makers: can they please, for the love of God, bench one of Moss or Cook next week, call up Duke Johnson, and have him be the primary platoon guy with Singletary? There's no way he can be worse than either of the other 2 guys.

Also, idk if they could afford to do this with how many other WRs they have dinged up, but it seems like they might be better served by giving Davis a week or two off instead of having him gut through games. He's clearly not himself with the ankle injury.

I actually think Cook has been the most explosive back in his very limited opportunities, but they clearly don't trust him.

 

[kirby11]

I actually think Cook has been the most explosive back in his very limited opportunities, but they clearly don't trust him.

Yeah, it's clear he's getting what seems to be the recent Buffalo 2nd round pick treatment of "oh shit, you aren't working out how we envisioned, time to banish you to the bench/inactive list."

To be fair, his drop in the 2nd quarter was pretty bad, but just about every handoff to Moss this season, save for his big run in Miami, has been a waste of a down, and they keep letting him draw in.

The most annoying thing is that Singletary has demonstrated, several times, that he can make guys miss in the hole, slither through tight spaces for tough yards, and/or churn his legs to push the pile--all skills that are ideal for short yardage situations, especially behind an often mediocre-at-best o-line. And yet...3rd and 1...Zack Moss for 0. Zack Moss for -1. Zack Moss for -2.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I actually think Cook has been the most explosive back in his very limited opportunities, but they clearly don't trust him.

He's had some good moment, but seems to have a bit of the rookie jitters at times. The dropped quick pass on second and short comes to mind. Would've been an easy 1st, then Moss doesn't pick up the third and 1, and we have to punt it away.

Talk that shit, boys!

 

[Jim Bob]

He's had some good moment, but seems to have a bit of the rookie jitters at times. The dropped quick pass on second and short comes to mind. Would've been an easy 1st, then Moss doesn't pick up the third and 1, and we have to punt it away.

Talk that shit, boys!

 

[Mike McDermott]

Thoughts?

 

[Dingo44]

He has been healthy.

He also, by all accounts, has been a bust in terms of production you expect from a pass-rushing DT taken that high.

Now he is missing games when there seems to be an indication that he was able to play. If you aren't getting 8+ sacks a year for that draft spot and the salary he'll inevitably want, you probably should play.

I'd be less inclined to give him an extension anytime soon until he shows me something consistently. Could probably just draft another DT 20 picks later and get similar production.

I hate to even acknowledge this but man this is some next level crazy town talk about Oliver.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Thoughts?

Definitely was bad yesterday. Some of it was just dropped passes, which plagued the entire team. Allen was throwing a bit high early on, though.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[JLewyB]

BTW as we play with what ifs…the most likely scenario going for the TD is the Bills start at the 2 yard line. The second most likely scenario is you get the TD. They got the absolute worst outcome that didn’t involve a pick 6.

you kick the FG to go up 3? Buffalo starts at the 25 and does what they did starting at the 20 instead. With full timeouts and 5 plays from the 1 and a half yard line.

not only was going for it correct, I’d argue kicking the fg was indefensible

Agreed. If they kicked the FG then we scored the TD, everyone would criticize them for not going for it. It was a bad play call that’s really what should be criticized

 

[Dirty Dog]

Bottom line is every year you get 1 or 2 nightmare performances for a quarter or half. It was a bonus to win one of those games (huge!)

 

[Husko]

Thoughts?

Yes I continue to think they desperately need to add some boundary WR depth that has the ability to stretch the field, for the points Joe mentions.

That said, OBJ won’t be ready to play for another couple months, so that doesn’t help the problem now.

 

[Matt Ress]

As pissed as I was at halftime, you always have that glimmer of hope in the back of your mind especially after finally punching one in.

Thoughts?

How long is Davis hobbled though. Just give the guy a few damn days off of full practice and let him heal up.

 

[Jim Bob]

Agreed. If they kicked the FG then we scored the TD, everyone would criticize them for not going for it. It was a bad play call that’s really what should be criticized

It is the age old formula: win and get praised, lose and get roasted.

They were scared that Allen was going to lead the Bills to a TD. I can't see how anyone can blame them for that.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Thoughts?

Austin first, lets see whats in the tank and how him and Shakir play this week.

I'm not chasing OBJ, if he wants to come here and be a team guy with Von, and they can find a way, I'm for it if his medical checks out.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Another reason to go grab another WR:

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Another reason to go grab another WR:

6-8 weeks about likely ? They probbaly need someone.

Isiah out until after the bye likely ?

 

[Jim Bob]

Austin first, lets see whats in the tank and how him and Shakir play this week.

I'm not chasing OBJ, if he wants to come here and be a team guy with Von, and they can find a way, I'm for it if his medical checks out.

OBJ tore his ACL in the Super Bowl on Feb 13, 2022.

Tre White tore his ACL on Nov 25, 2021.

If Tre White isn't back yet, I doubt OBJ is anywhere close to being back since he tore his ACL over two months after Tre tore his.

 

[kirby11]

Definitely gotta add someone at WR. With Davis being hurt and McKenzie's concussion, the top 2 healthy WRs are now Diggs and Shakir. Not exactly ideal. I will say, though, I love that both of Shakir's catches yesterday were big plays--the WR screen on the scoring drive to tie the game, and the sideline grab after Allen's Houdini act during the game winning drive.

I'm also curious if they try to shuffle the OL at all. Unfortunately, Saffold hasn't looked that good, and the entire right side has struggled more often than not.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Zman5778]

I think we should stand pat at WR unless Davis' injury is to the point where he should rest AND McKenzie is likely to miss some time.

Shakir and Hodgins should be OK enough to get by the Pittsburgh game if needed, and grab someone else off the street. Don't see the need for a permanent addition YET.

OBJ isn't an option as he's nowhere close to healthy. If we need a veteran slot guy -- TY Hilton would make a ton of sense if he's healthy. Willie Snead/Will Fuller/DeSean all make sense if we need a long-term deep threat.

Outside the box idea: Sign Jared Cook. Can play in-line or the slot. Could confuse defenses, even if he's not the best blocker.

But I think I stand pat at WR unless McKenzie is out for a bit.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

I think we should stand pat at WR unless Davis' injury is to the point where he should rest AND McKenzie is likely to miss some time.

Shakir and Hodgins should be OK enough to get by the Pittsburgh game if needed, and grab someone else off the street. Don't see the need for a permanent addition YET.

OBJ isn't an option as he's nowhere close to healthy. If we need a veteran slot guy -- TY Hilton would make a ton of sense if he's healthy. Willie Snead/Will Fuller/DeSean all make sense if we need a long-term deep threat.

Outside the box idea: Sign Jared Cook. Can play in-line or the slot. Could confuse defenses, even if he's not the best blocker.

But I think I stand pat at WR unless McKenzie is out for a bit.

you know, I was thinking yesterday they need better than Morris (He's not getting open when Josh throws to him), Not a half bad idea.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He has been healthy.

He also, by all accounts, has been a bust in terms of production you expect from a pass-rushing DT taken that high.

Now he is missing games when there seems to be an indication that he was able to play. If you aren't getting 8+ sacks a year for that draft spot and the salary he'll inevitably want, you probably should play.

I'd be less inclined to give him an extension anytime soon until he shows me something consistently. Could probably just draft another DT 20 picks later and get similar production.

Nonsense. Oliver had over 57% defensive snaps last year at DT. No one else had over 30%.

If he’s healthy enough to play, he would have played.

 

[Zman5778]

Nonsense. Oliver had over 57% defensive snaps last year at DT. No one else had over 30%.

If he’s healthy enough to play, he would have played.

Don't bring facts into an argument where one party is clearly extraordinarily dug into their very strong opinion.

The vast, vast majority of Bills fans know that Oliver is the best interior D-lineman we have and that he's a stud when he's healthy. And the vast, vast majority of Bills fans know that Oliver doesn't dog it and wouldn't just sit out a game on a whim.

 

[Zman5778]

you know, I was thinking yesterday they need better than Morris (He's not getting open when Josh throws to him), Not a half bad idea.

Don't use yesterday as a judge. We were down to nothing at WR and were using Morris where we really shouldn't have been. When we can use him as an actual TE or in Gilliam's position, he can get open just fine.

When we're using him in the slot like we were doing at points yesterday.....yeahhhhh, he's gonna have issues.

Cook would theoretically solve some of those issues, given that he's quite capable as a slot guy. Just need to force stickum on his hands before every single play.