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Buffalo Bills Week 5: Bills v. Steelers (Sun. 10/9, 1:00PM)

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Sabresfansince1980 said:
Points count a lot more than field position. Taking a lead gives your defense more of an advantage than the yardage, by putting pressure on the Bills offense.
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Points do count. And 7 points counts a lot more than 3. That's the whole point of going for it--not field position but getting more points. You want to put more pressure on the Bills offense? Make sure they need 7 and can't settle for 3.

You cannot ignore the possibility of success in the equation of whether to go for it. If they make it, they're in a WAY better position than kicking the FG. And when you have a guy who's been playing at an MVP level, I think that decision bot earlier that gave them a 47% chance of success is underselling it. That's what's being lost in this "take the points" defense--the decision to go for it is literally about getting more points!
 
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New Sabres Captain said:
Points do count. And 7 points counts a lot more than 3. That's the whole point of going for it--not field position but getting more points. You want to put more pressure on the Bills offense? Make sure they need 7 and can't settle for 3.

You cannot ignore the possibility of success in the equation of whether to go for it. If they make it, they're in a WAY better position than kicking the FG. And when you have a guy who's been playing at an MVP level, I think that decision bot earlier that gave them a 47% chance of success is underselling it. That's what's being lost in this "take the points" defense--the decision to go for it is literally about getting more points!
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I responded to a post saying field position was important. Sure, but 3 pts is better. Obviously 7 is better than 3, but the risk is not worth it. It's gambling to a fault, because the gamble is completely unnecessary in that scenario.
 
Husko said:
All Ravens wide receivers:
Duvernay: 4-51-0
Bateman: 3-17-0
Robinson: 2-10-0

If you want to throw Andrews in there too, he went for 2-15-0

All the props in the world to the banged up secondary. They played lights out considering they also had to account for Lamar running.
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The LBs playing at a high level against a running QB makes life easier for the secondary.

What a win! In the beginning- it felt like the Indy game, but the defense held the freaking fort dow.

As a Bills fan for over 20 years- I can say with confidence- in years past- these were the type of games we'd get blown out. But this team is strong all around. If the offense is a bit off, then the defense carries the slack.

Let's just hope this team is firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs. The potential is real.
 
Mike McDermott said:
Do you think Oliver doesn't want to be out there? Do you think he is unwilling to "fight through it" as you say the other guys are doing? It is either he tried, as we saw during pregame and it isn't to the point that he can go or he was comfortable going but the medical staff said no because it would set him back or risk further injury.

This narrative you spin doesn't make sense to me and I trust the medical staff and player are making the right decision for the team and the player's health. Full stop.
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I mean, I can't be more clear. I do not think he wants to be out there. "Full stop".

And when he was out there for the past couple seasons, he was bordering on bust considering where he was picked at.

Zman5778 said:
Da'Quan Jones has been excellent this year.

Oliver has not been a bust, just a slow developer. I have a hunch he's going to make you eat your words when he's healthy.
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When he's 34 and fully developed teams better be ready.
 
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Dirty Dog said:
Gooooood lord!! It’s not just a wild opinion (for obvious reasons) but it’s also not true. Oliver has been healthy and is missing a few weeks with an ankle sprain, give me a break


Anyways…what a wild game in london
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He has been healthy.

He also, by all accounts, has been a bust in terms of production you expect from a pass-rushing DT taken that high.

Now he is missing games when there seems to be an indication that he was able to play. If you aren't getting 8+ sacks a year for that draft spot and the salary he'll inevitably want, you probably should play.

I'd be less inclined to give him an extension anytime soon until he shows me something consistently. Could probably just draft another DT 20 picks later and get similar production.
 
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KC taking their frustrations from last week out on Tampa. Brutal penalty call at the goalline gives them a fresh set of downs and they punch it in.

Figures Brady would lay an egg the rare time I want him to win.
 
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misterchainsaw said:
KC taking their frustrations from last week out on Tampa. Brutal penalty call at the goalline gives them a fresh set of downs and they punch it in.

Figures Brady would lay an egg the rare time I want him to win.
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Brady does know a thing or two about mounting a comeback
 
buffalowing88 said:
I mean, I can't be more clear. I do not think he wants to be out there. "Full stop".

And when he was out there for the past couple seasons, he was bordering on bust considering where he was picked at.



When he's 34 and fully developed teams better be ready.
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Why? Seriously, he has an ankle injury and hasn’t missed any games previously due to injury according to the link I’ll add to this reply. Was that he was working out pregame to see if he could go that made you think he just wants to sit out? Or is it that this is his first time missing games? Or have you had long, detailed conversations with him where he admitted he is going to milk the injury?

Performance aside because that isn’t what I was talking about, he is a football player and injuries will happen and they can cause guys to miss games. I’d rather he be safe and not risk further injury and potentially issues later.

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misterchainsaw said:
Gonna have to get some stops too, unfortunately. Honestly a 49-37 game is the last thing I want to see :laugh:
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Or they could just get lucky like that last drive. Nobody even covering the KC receiver on that 4th down pass, but Mahomes puts the ball in a less than ideal spot, and he can't bring it in.
 
Today was the first time in Bills history they won a game the didn’t lead until the final play
 
Husko said:
Going for it was the right call and I will die on this hill



Those that hate analytics won't be persuaded by this, but 4th down decision bot firmly agrees with going for it.
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Normally I'd agree. But with the crappy weather all day, and the fact that the Bills were down two WRs (Mackenzie & Crowder), and another came into the game hobbled (Davis), I think I'd take the points in this situation. Their defense had also done a pretty good job against us up to that point.
 
Fezzy126 said:
Normally I'd agree. But with the crappy weather all day, and the fact that the Bills were down two WRs (Mackenzie & Crowder), and another came into the game hobbled (Davis), I think I'd take the points in this situation. Their defense had also done a pretty good job against us up to that point.
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We don’t actually need to wonder what would have happened. They drove down the field quickly to kill clock at the 1. They purposely stopped themselves at the 1 to kill the clock. Of course they’d have gotten 7 if they needed it. Going for the TD wasn’t only the right call on paper…it was proven right over the next 4 minutes.
 
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Ace said:
We don’t actually need to wonder what would have happened. They drove down the field quickly to kill clock at the 1. They purposely stopped themselves at the 1 to kill the clock. Of course they’d have gotten 7 if they needed it. Going for the TD wasn’t only the right call on paper…it was proven right over the next 4 minutes.
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Maybe. We milked the clock knowing we only needed a FG. If we were down three would we have been more aggressive and tried to score a TD? Last year in Tennessee we drove down the field and stalled out while trying to score 7.

We also could have scored a TD with time remaining and given Baltimore one last chance.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I think game script and weather should force you to look beyond the standard win probability numbers.
 
Fezzy126 said:
Normally I'd agree. But with the crappy weather all day, and the fact that the Bills were down two WRs (Mackenzie & Crowder), and another came into the game hobbled (Davis), I think I'd take the points in this situation. Their defense had also done a pretty good job against us up to that point.
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The Bills had scored points on 3 of the previous 4 drives if that changes your analysis at all.
 
BTW as we play with what ifs…the most likely scenario going for the TD is the Bills start at the 2 yard line. The second most likely scenario is you get the TD. They got the absolute worst outcome that didn’t involve a pick 6.

you kick the FG to go up 3? Buffalo starts at the 25 and does what they did starting at the 20 instead. With full timeouts and 5 plays from the 1 and a half yard line.

not only was going for it correct, I’d argue kicking the fg was indefensible
 
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