We didn’t know what we had

[Dreakmur]

Facts don't matter to these guys. There's always a justification for Lou's moves when they would lambast Dubas for exactly the same actions.

When you win, there's a reason for justification...

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You think we had better systems with Babcock? I think our defensive play has improved with Keefe. I don't see that they get to do what they want. Though I think Keefe should shuffle the lines little bit more.

I think the players refused to properly follow Babcock's system.

 

[Superstar]

JT didn't give a any discount to the Islanders never mind a huge one , he signed after his second season and took the going rate at that time .

and every time a ufa signs a deal there's a unconfirmed rumor a team was offering more

JT was overpaid at the time of the signing and that contract is not aging well already . If he takes another step back this year the team is f***ed .

Tavares' cap hit percentage on his second deal with the Isles was 8.55%...being a franchise centre, I would say that's a big discount.

And the other teams didn't refute those rumours. He was a prized and highly coveted UFA...teams were throwing money at him...it's just the basics of supply and demand.

 

[AllDay28]

When you win, there's a reason for justification...

what has Lou won in New York again?

if they lose in the 3rd round again, you think the Islanders fan base is happy about that?

 

[deprw]

I think the players refused to properly follow Babcock's system.

Which came first loss of respect or players quitting on Babcock? I think with his antics Babcock can only blame himself.

 

[Donnie740]

I would guess the same but 1 less year. I’d rather money be spent on Centre’s than a winger.

hell, I’m all for trading Marner for Eichel

Matthews
Eichel
Tavares

down the middle? Good lord

Over $30m sunk into one position.

How much time do you spend playing NHL21?

 

[Dreakmur]

what has Lou won in New York again?

Multiple play-off rounds every year....

if they lose in the 3rd round again, you think the Islanders fan base is happy about that?

Yes, I'm sure they're quite happy.

 

[hotpaws]

yup the never confirmed rumors from the teams hoard of insiders ''Dreger/Elliot'' and the others all have Lou or the rest of the GM's offering the same or more to every player that bent over Dubie

funny how few if any of them ever pay there own guys they actually sign anywhere near what the Dubie handed out , case in point Rantanan at 1.5m less than Marner , Barzal at only 7m etc

 

[hotpaws]

Tavares' cap hit percentage on his second deal with the Isles was 8.55%...being a franchise centre, I would say that's a big discount.

And the other teams didn't refute those rumours. He was a prized and highly coveted UFA...teams were throwing money at him...it's just the basics of supply and demand.

he wasn't a franchise C when he signed after his second year , he got the going rate for his production to that point and his future potential

teams hardly ever refute the rumors but watch how almost every time a ufa signs a deal he says he was offered more , lol , then the insiders pull out a mystery team or two that it could be , then a short time later it's taken like a fact

but hey if makes you feel better believing someone else was going to also overpay JT than have at er

 

[sparxx87]

Same as the rumoured Stamkos deal? $12.5M or so.

Up and comers didn't seem to scare Lou from big offers. He had Matthews coming in and made that deal to Stamkos. Barzal finished a point or two ahead of Tavares in scoring when Lou offered JT that deal

That would be wayy too much. I don’t know how much I believe that number, but even if it’s true, I’d have a lot of other questions as to how he’ll structure around it. I’ve always seen Stamkos as more of a winger than a centreman.

So:
1. Does that mean he saw Marner wasn’t built for this and would have traded him?
2. Did he just not want to do business with Paul Marner?

This wouldn’t make sense at face value, so I’d really need to know the plan going forward... but if it results in 3 forwards making $33M + I’d say that’s a bad move.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

if they lose in the 3rd round again, you think the Islanders fan base is happy about that?

Islanders fan in peace. Yes I'd be happy. If I was a fan of Tampa, Carolina, Vegas or Colorado I wouldn't be. but the Islanders aren't at that level. Two final four finishes in two years, I'm very happy.

 

[AllDay28]

he wasn't a franchise C when he signed after his second year , he got the going rate for his production to that point and his future potential

teams hardly ever refute the rumors but watch how almost every time a ufa signs a deal he says he was offered more , lol , then the insiders pull out a mystery team or two that it could be , then a short time later it's taken like a fact

but hey if makes you feel better believing someone else was going to also overpay JT than have at er

you just hate Tavares for some reason. Reading your post history (which is a classic btw. Good call on Kerfoot…) you seem to obsessively dislike him which is a personal problem.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think the players refused to properly follow Babcock's system.

They didn't have Muzzin and Brodie either.

 

[AllDay28]

Islanders fan in peace. Yes I'd be happy. If I was a fan of Tampa, Carolina, Vegas or Colorado I wouldn't be. but the Islanders aren't at that level. Two final four finishes in two years, I'm very happy.

may I ask why you’d be happy? New York were a final four team last year. Why wouldn’t you want to take the next step?

 

[Trapper]

Islanders fan in peace. Yes I'd be happy. If I was a fan of Tampa, Carolina, Vegas or Colorado I wouldn't be. but the Islanders aren't at that level. Two final four finishes in two years, I'm very happy.

It’s called progress right? To know the foundation being put into place has something to it.

 

[Gallagbi]

he wasn't a franchise C when he signed after his second year , he got the going rate for his production to that point and his future potential

teams hardly ever refute the rumors but watch how almost every time a ufa signs a deal he says he was offered more , lol , then the insiders pull out a mystery team or two that it could be , then a short time later it's taken like a fact

but hey if makes you feel better believing someone else was going to also overpay JT than have at er

I mean we could trust the insiders who deal with these situations and the pretty telling comments by LouLam after Tavares signed. Or we could just think your theory about random, non-Leafs specific insiders lying to protect Dubas pre and post signing is true because you say so.

Refuting the Islander rumours would have actually made a ton of sense. Lamiorello could have positioned it as a fresh start for the team under his guidance. Instead we heard of late pushes and numbers before Tavares ever signed with a Toronto.

 

[Dreakmur]

may I ask why you’d be happy? New York were a final four team last year. Why wouldn’t you want to take the next step?

They're about to play a team that has a salary cap of almost 100 million.

 

[Gallagbi]

That would be wayy too much. I don’t know how much I believe that number, but even if it’s true, I’d have a lot of other questions as to how he’ll structure around it. I’ve always seen Stamkos as more of a winger than a centreman.

So:
1. Does that mean he saw Marner wasn’t built for this and would have traded him?
2. Did he just not want to do business with Paul Marner?

This wouldn’t make sense at face value, so I’d really need to know the plan going forward... but if it results in 3 forwards making $33M + I’d say that’s a bad move.

You're welcome to call Lou and the insiders, but I'm not sure they'd pickup.

 

[AllDay28]

It’s called progress right? To know the foundation being put into place has something to it.

losing in the semis two years in a row isn’t progress….

 

[Leafsfan74]

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How could the team not know, he is one of the legends of the sport.

Who knows if he would have panned out here by this time? I think he rubbed Matthews camp the wrong way with his ill-advised approach to entry level max. bonus, he did sign some bad contracts that didn't help his cause.

Ultimately, Dubas has made good trades, his negotiation of the contracts of his young stars has left much to be desired. This year, if the team doesn't find cap space and take a sombre look at their team and adjust accordingly, it will be on management. They need Gamers and players who refuse to lose.

 

[AllDay28]

I mean we could trust the insiders who deal with these situations and the pretty telling comments by LouLam after Tavares signed. Or we could just think your theory about random, non-Leafs specific insiders lying to protect Dubas pre and post signing is true because you say so.

Refuting the Islander rumours would have actually made a ton of sense. Lamiorello could have positioned it as a fresh start for the team under his guidance. Instead we heard of late pushes and numbers before Tavares ever signed with a Toronto.

not to mention, didn’t Lou break some tampering rules cause he was talking to Tavares while still signed to the Leafs, as if he worked for New York?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Which came first loss of respect or players quitting on Babcock? I think with his antics Babcock can only blame himself.

Good question. All I know is letting the core have their way isn’t leading to playoff success. I think Babcocks system would have made us a much better playoff team, but our young core was too selfish/entitled to try it.

 

[AllDay28]

Also q… how come Dubas gets in shit for the Big 4 signings but never praise for the Brodie, Muzzin, Spezza, among other deals? Simmonds for 1 mil. Shit there’s more im sure.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

may I ask why you’d be happy? New York were a final four team last year. Why wouldn’t you want to take the next step?

Of course I want to but you have to be realistic. If your team is overachieving thats all you can ask for. If you're only going to be happy with championships you're going to be miserable 95 percent of the time.

 

[deprw]

Good question. All I know is letting the core have their way isn’t leading to playoff success. I think Babcocks system would have made us a much better playoff team, but our young core was too selfish/entitled to try it.

Well I think we tried it three times at least. Capitals, Bruins and Bruins. Our young guns were on the bench when Marleau was double shifted by Babcock, so maybe there was a reason they didn't bought in. They didn't even have a chance.

I think problem was that Babcock couldn't admit his mistakes and adapt at all. Then were this problems with Spezza etc. when he had to play his games.