We didn’t know what we had

[PromisedLand]

How do I like this post like about a million times?

 

[Racer88]

what has Lou won in New York again?

if they lose in the 3rd round again, you think the Islanders fan base is happy about that?

Lou has won more rounds then the Leafs have won with Dubas and the jury is still out on this year

 

[Pookie]

what has Lou won in New York again?

if they lose in the 3rd round again, you think the Islanders fan base is happy about that?

this is a question?

a neat stat:

Montreal has won more playoff rounds in 8 days than Dubas has in 3 years.

 

[Dreakmur]

And so did the Lightning with Gaborik and Nilsson.

And Kucherov....

 

[PromisedLand]

Lou inherited a 68 point leaf team.

We had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

First year we came last and got to draft matthews.

2nd year 100 points and playoffs!

3rd year 105 points (franchise record) and playoffs twice in a row for the first time since 04.

Dubas:
Inherits a 105 point team

First year we lose 5 points and lose in the first round.

2nd year we pace for only 95 points and lose to the jackets in the qualifier

3rd year we get a once in a lifetime division realignment and we lose in embarrassing fashion to the habs.

The results show that with one gm we only progressed. With the other we have stayed the same or regressed.

So which gm was "bad" here?

 

[Racer88]

I’m sure I have said this before but nothing gets better until they get a better president,GM and coach. The entire management team is defective

 

[Racer88]

There is no question that Dubas’s vision for building a team is total garbage

 

[WTFMAN99]

How do I like this post like about a million times?

The epitome of team vs individual.

 

[PromisedLand]

When "who's the hardest worker lists" are enough to deeply upset members of the Leafs locker room like it supposedly did, I guess we really shouldn't be surprised that the core also don't have the intestinal fortitude to close out a first round/play-in series against weak opponents.

Actually, this is starting to make a lot of sense now..

 

[PromisedLand]

Love the Avatar bruh

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

That Marleau, Zaitsev deals, and trading 2nds for 4th liners was pretty awesome.
I know I don't want that GM.
Tell me the great moves he made here?

That’s fair, but at least he didn’t trade a 1st+ for a damaged bag of shit

 

[I am Canadian]

He traded the first why wouldn’t he be accountable for that?
Would it really have been so terrible to have Marleau on the 4th line with minimum ice for the last year?

1. Marleau did not want to play here any further . He wanted his salary to be bought out/traded to a very select amount of teams in California

2. Leafs could very obviously not afford to keep Marleau's salary on the cap. Yes, the Marner deal escalated this but he still would have needed to be traded to fit Marner in even at 9M

 

[Kurtz]

And Kucherov....

Yes, we know.

So really $92 mil - not $100.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yes, we know.

So really $92 mil - not $100.

So just an extra 10 million.

 

[Dreakmur]

1. Marleau did not want to play here any further . He wanted his salary to be bought out/traded to a very select amount of teams in California

I'm pretty sure the Leafs made it clear he wasn't wanted... then he used his no-trade clause as a weapon.

2. Leafs could very obviously not afford to keep Marleau's salary on the cap. Yes, the Marner deal escalated this but he still would have needed to be traded to fit Marner in even at 9M

They could have kept Marleau. They just couldn't keep him and sign Kerfoot, Kapanen, and Johnsson for a combined 10 million bucks. As I said at the time, Kapanen and Johnsson should have been traded as RFAs instead of re-signed.

 

[Kurtz]

So just an extra 10 million.

Correct.

 

[Stonehands1990]

I like Dubas more than Lou. But Lou hired the best coach in the league. And imo Dubas hired one of the worst. Versteeg had some interesting takes on it

 

[rumman]

Clearly, the team performed no better for Keefe than they did for Babcock. From my perspective even worse. At some point, when do we ask the question, maybe it's the kids?

Maybe?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Lou signed Marleau knowing full well raises were due. And Zaitsev and Brown is pretty rich, do people forget how bad Zaitsev was and how average Brown was? Maybe you only use hindsight?

Zaitsev has since been pretty good for the Sens, and pretty good internationally for Russia. He did have a rough season here under Babs, but maybe he wasn’t actually that bad of a player?

 

[Mess]

I give Dubas credit ... He seems like a very smart young man ... But honestly he is unqualified for a NHL GM position ... He is a politician and salesman and he sold all his nonsense to those that mattered ( MLSE - Shanahan ) . He is likely asking himself .." How much longer can I fool these guys ?"

Have you ever heard of the Peter Principle, because that is what I feel we might be dealing with here in Toronto?

The Peter Principle is an observation that the tendency in most organizational hierarchies, such as that of a corporation, is for every employee to rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach a "level of respective incompetence". Employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another.

Successfully managing or coaching an OHL junior team, without a salary cap and finding success is much different as Dubas/Keefe are finding out rather painfully at the NHL level. Both young management employees look to be over their heads and out of their comfort zones. Where seasoned GMs, experienced crafty player agents, and successful coaches are taking them to task. IMO

I've often referred to this as Dubas is book-smart but not street-smart and the streets are winning. He talks and speaks in theory what he might have learned in a book, or what the numbers in a spreadsheet might result in, but in the real world things are not always as they seem, and now he's learning through the school of hard knocks instead.

 

[Dreakmur]

Correct.

Which means you finally understand what I was saying….

 

[Menzinger]

Zaitsev has since been pretty good for the Sens, and pretty good internationally for Russia. He did have a rough season here under Babs, but maybe he wasn’t actually that bad of a player?

Has he really though? He gets tough usage, as he did on the Leafs. But the results tend to be the same, his team spends the majority of time in their own zone and generates little offense with him on the ice (and in the process give up more goals against than score themselves during that time).

He got his contract on the Leafs based on one season of piling up secondary assists on the power play ( a spot he's never going to play again for any other team). He seemed like a nice guy, so I'm happy Sens fans like him, but that contract doesn't look any better no matter how one looks at it.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

$99 million.

Islanders themselves are at $89m. They just beat Boston who were at $81 and Pitt who were at $82.

Aren’t they missing Anders Lee for the whole playoffs though? Kinda rough to leave that out. Tampa isn’t missing anyone of note that I’m aware of.

 

[sparxx87]

Has he really though? He gets tough usage, as he did on the Leafs. But the results tend to be the same, his team spends the majority of time in their own zone and generates little offense with him on the ice (and in the process give up more goals against than score themselves during that time).

He got his contract on the Leafs based on one season of piling up secondary assists on the power play ( a spot he's never going to play again for any other team). He seemed like a nice guy, so I'm happy Sens fans like him, but that contract doesn't look any better no matter how one looks at it.

What results? The shot metrics based heavily on the individual impact of several other players around him?

Aren’t you more focused on his individual role and responsibilities relative to the play around him? And understand, that he could do everything right over a 40 second shift and the analytics could still tell you he’s struggling based on several variables he can’t control?

Who is better? Justin Holl or Nikita Zaitsev? And why?

 

[sparxx87]

Aren’t they missing Andersson Lee for the whole playoffs though? Kinda rough to leave that out. Tampa isn’t missing anyone of note that I’m aware of.

Hedman definitely hurt, but not missing. Lee is a big loss. Captain and leading goal scorer, but thankfully they have a versatile guy like Komorov that can move up in the lineup and make the loss as painless as possible.

He brings his lunch pale and has proven a very good 3rd wheel under the circumstances for Barzal and Eberle.