Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[Machinehead]

I don't think it's "drive the net" either because Kreider pays mortgage in front of the net and we hate him too.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Goodrow can actually be bought out after this year and the terms are pretty team friendly. He's been playing pretty well though.

He’s played fine, I just think you could get two players who could probably do the same stuff for the price of just him

Tampa won paying him next to nothing, not almost 4 million a year

 

[Machinehead]

He’s played fine, I just think you could get two players who could probably do the same stuff for the price of just him

Tampa won paying him next to nothing, not almost 4 million a year

You shouldn't chase after the last Cup winner's Goodrow, you should develop the next Cup winner's Gauthier.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

You watch this team and they’re just playing so “blah”. They’re slow, they’re plodding, they’re not creative. Lots of vanilla hockey. Non threatening cycling that ends in no shots. Virtually no rush chances. Nobody outside of Panarin or Fox is even looking to do anything creative at all.

They’re a slog.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You shouldn't chase after the last Cup winner's Goodrow, you should develop the next Cup winner's Gauthier.

Is it sad that I’m to the point with this team where I’m willing to trade Kravstov busting if it means Gauthier turning into a competent bottom 6 player?

God why does this team do this to me lol

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't think it's "drive the net" either because Kreider pays mortgage in front of the net and we hate him too.

Driving and parking are two different things. We typically have someone in front. Sitting in front of the net is only a part of it.

We dont attack/drive the middle. All great offenses attack the slot. We don't. We haven't for as long as I can remember. Our spacing and movement is bad to say the least. No one ever gets open to be a threat.

but we also can't skate, shoot or pass. So there's just something fundamentally wrong with this org.

 

[UnSandvich]

well if there's a bright side to the Rangers not looking great this season, it's that my purchase of the Black Book is gonna be a good call, because i get to draft watch again lmao

 

[Machinehead]

You watch this team and they’re just playing so “blah”. They’re slow, they’re plodding, they’re not creative. Lots of vanilla hockey. Non threatening cycling that ends in no shots. Virtually no rush chances. Nobody outside of Panarin or Fox is even looking to do anything creative at all.

They’re a slog.

I agree with this.

Ignoring all the slogans, platitudes, and rigmarole, you either want the team to play with more finesse, more grit, or maybe both I guess.

To me, this team has limited skill and outside of Fox and occasionally Panarin, sure as hell doesn't play with skill.

I think 9 times out of 10, getting to the "areas" requires skill that team either doesn't have or doesn't employ.

Everyone credits the relentless effort by Gauthier, and sure, but that play starts because Blais made a great pass. It goes hand-in-hand.

 

[Boris Zubov]

You watch this team and they’re just playing so “blah”. They’re slow, they’re plodding, they’re not creative. Lots of vanilla hockey. Non threatening cycling that ends in no shots. Virtually no rush chances. Nobody outside of Panarin or Fox is even looking to do anything creative at all.

They’re a slog.

I'm sure you're aware of this, but they're a slog & uncreative because they can't skate well enough to beat anyone on the rush. Which is why they are so dependent on their power play. It's the one of the few times they see some open ice.

 

[Machinehead]

Driving and parking are two different things. We typically have someone in front. Sitting in front of the net is only a part of it.

We dont attack/drive the middle. All great offenses attack the slot. We don't. We haven't for as long as I can remember. Our spacing and movement is bad to say the least. No one ever gets open to be a threat.

but we also can't skate, shoot or pass. So there's just something fundamentally wrong with this org.

Yes.

And skating, shooting, and passing is what opens up the dirty areas.

You can't just will NHL defenders out of the way no matter how bad you want it.

This organization doesn't like skill. It trades skill. It doesn't do well coaching skill. And we wonder what's fundamentally wrong.

I think this organization still has a hair up its ass about the Flyers beating them up in 1975 and they need to get over it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

He’s played fine, I just think you could get two players who could probably do the same stuff for the price of just him

Tampa won paying him next to nothing, not almost 4 million a year

This is true. Like I said before the buyout terms are team friendly so if they need cap space he is a candidate to be bought out.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I'm sure you're aware of this, but they're a slog & uncreative because they can't skate well enough to beat anyone on the rush. Which is why they are so dependent on their power play. It's the one of the few times they see some open ice.

Yup there’s not enough speed in the lineup and they do nothing to help themselves with their playing style to try and play fast.

Nobody can move faster than the puck, even players who aren’t burners can play a fast game. Boston is a good example. None of their best players are burners but they’re always making fast decisions, they’re always driving the play forward and they’re jumping into lanes in transition to open up other lanes.

Our team is slow and they play slow. They’re late on almost even puck annd lose most races annd the ones that they win, their decision making is slow with and without the puck that they’re constantly hesitating themselves out of making potentially good plays. Even when they have a lane, they don’t take it. They’re constantly doubling back and letting the other team get set. It’s like a basketball team not wanting to run the fast break and waiting to set up their half court set plays.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yes.

And skating, shooting, and passing is what opens up the dirty areas.

You can't just will NHL defenders out of the way no matter how bad you want it.

This organization doesn't like skill. It trades skill. It doesn't do well coaching skill. And we wonder what's fundamentally wrong.

I think this organization still has a hair up its ass about the Flyers beating them up in 1975 and they need to get over it.

Yes...I'll add some context.

In 1996, Neil Smith was worried about a potential playoff rematch with the Flyers. He shit his pants at midnight on the trade deadline & gave away Ray Ferraro, Mattias Nordstrom, Ian Laperierre & Nathan Lafayette for the rotting corpses of Jari Kurri, Marty McSorely & Shane Churla. When Shane Churla is the only one of that return that actually contributed ANYTHING to the team, you can guess how well that worked out. That 95-96 team was so balanced until injuries & that trade drove them right off the cliff. And...oh yeah, that playoff rematch never happened & the Pens blew our doors off...again....in Round 2.

In 1994 the same Neil Smith shit his pants on trade deadline day...just because we won the cup, doesn't mean those were the right moves. I don't think I need to rehash all the names involved.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes.

And skating, shooting, and passing is what opens up the dirty areas.

You can't just will NHL defenders out of the way no matter how bad you want it.

This organization doesn't like skill. It trades skill. It doesn't do well coaching skill. And we wonder what's fundamentally wrong.

I think this organization still has a hair up its ass about the Flyers beating them up in 1975 and they need to get over it.

I think this org doesn't know how to coach skill or modern day hockey.

We've been stuck playing the same hockey for sometime now

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yes.

And skating, shooting, and passing is what opens up the dirty areas.

You can't just will NHL defenders out of the way no matter how bad you want it.

This organization doesn't like skill. It trades skill. It doesn't do well coaching skill. And we wonder what's fundamentally wrong.

I think this organization still has a hair up its ass about the Flyers beating them up in 1975 and they need to get over it.

Well they just traded their only enforcer. That toughness thing doesn't have the same vibe this year as last.

 

[LOFIN]

he is mentioned because the way they handled it was how should be handled and how IT IS handled by 99% of the teams in the NHL.

This organizations arrogance has and is it’s downfall.

In an ideal world, I guess you don't sign Panarin. You let Kreider go. Force kids into positions. Would this fanbase like it? In retrospect sure, but at that point? In the end, the roster is what it is at this point. It's easier to change a coach than to make a massive turnover with the roster.

 

[Machinehead]

Well they just traded their only enforcer. That toughness thing doesn't have the same vibe this year as last.

I think they're getting over the whole "we might get in a movie fight" thing that @Boris Zubov alluded to a couple of posts ago, but they're still not over "you have to cycle, play defense, and dump 'n' chase before you can stickhandle and God help you if you turn the puck over" in regards to offense.

 

[CLW]

I think they're getting over the whole "we might get in a movie fight" thing that @Boris Zubov alluded to a couple of posts ago, but they're still not over "you have to cycle, play defense, and dump 'n' chase before you can stickhandle and God help you if you turn the puck over" in regards to offense.

They sat Kakko for 10 mins the other game because he shot a bad angle shot that hit the goalie's pads and went straight out into the slot and eventually became an odd man rush against the Rangers. What if there had been a couple of Rangers ready in the slot? And we wonder why the kid loses his way.

Shoot these clowns into the sun already. But the problems start higher up no doubt.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

In an ideal world, I guess you don't sign Panarin. You let Kreider go. Force kids into positions. Would this fanbase like it? In retrospect sure, but at that point? In the end, the roster is what it is at this point. It's easier to change a coach than to make a massive turnover with the roster.

This team is in every game but they are poorly coached and there is no structure. They have talent but they continue to make the same mistakes and we hear the same excuses. They need a coaching change right now before it's too late and they are out of it by Christmas.

 

[LORDE]

The kids stink. It’s probably time we come to grips with that

Some of us have been there for a while... it isn't fun... but it's accurate

 

[LOFIN]

This team is in every game but they are poorly coached and there is no structure. They have talent but they continue to make the same mistakes and we hear the same excuses. They need a coaching change right now before it's too late and they are out of it by Christmas.

I hear you. I refuse to believe that the players are not good enough. Look at the PP (generally). We have plenty of offensive skilled forwards. We have one of the best goalies in the world. We have a Norris defender.

I'm a Colorado fan first and a Rangers fan second (come at me). The one thing striking me is the lack of structure. It starts from the backend. Move pucks quickly. Then, you need to numb it down. Especially, the kid line is good at hanging onto the puck. Get it to the f***ing net.

 

[LOFIN]

The kids stink. It’s probably time we come to grips with that

We are paying 11,6 million bucks to a winger who is 68th at 5v5 scoring. 8,5mil to our #1C, who is 133rd at 5v5 scoring. Kreider is close behind, 138th and 6,5million bucks there.

Stop complaining about the kids. They are performing at their pay cheque. Which is bad. They have not performed up to draft expectations, thus you are paying Chytil and Kakko bridge deals.

But you are paying big f***ing bucks to your star players, who night after night fail to deliver. It's time to come gripes with that.

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[Synergy27]

The net is not in a straight line from most players positions.

You guys failed geography.

You’re being pedantic and you know it.

If a winger attacks the net from the top of the circle, and you build a triangle with the line to the net as the diagonal, the “vertical” line is longer than the “horizontal” line. That’s what N/S means.

It’s impossible to play purely this way. There will always be elements of both “styles” played by every team in every game.

I’m just asking that a team that struggles to score five on five simplify things. This doesn’t mean that they can never pass the puck laterally, but that should more often than not be the secondary option.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Are we going to get another letter from the team?

"Dear Rangers fans,

Don't let this loss ruin your weekend.

-Chris Drury"

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I hear you. I refuse to believe that the players are not good enough. Look at the PP (generally). We have plenty of offensive skilled forwards. We have one of the best goalies in the world. We have a Norris defender.

I'm a Colorado fan first and a Rangers fan second (come at me). The one thing striking me is the lack of structure. It starts from the backend. Move pucks quickly. Then, you need to numb it down. Especially, the kid line is good at hanging onto the puck. Get it to the f***ing net.

I'll let it slide about you being an Avs fan first, lol. The lack of structure is appalling and the biggest problem is their own zone coverage. It's a train wreck at times and has caused them much pain and losses. It's obviously not going to change under Gallant.