Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[Machinehead]

Granted I turned it on somewhere in the 2nd Period, & I'm on here typing away, so I didn't pay THAT close attention, but from what I saw the Caps were never in this...almost all their chances were coming from the outside. The Devils were forechecking the shit out of them & crashing the caps net pretty hard. Their team speed is going to be problematic for every team in the league, like it or not.

The Caps must have really carried play early then because those numbers are ass ugly.

 

[bleedblue94]

The team can have problems and also have people posting the same tired routine after every game. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Even if the tired routines are accurate and reflective of the same tired and routine game that the team plays each night?

Just bc they don't have a 4 goal third period collapse every night doesn't mean they don't play the same game every night that we saw today. It's the same tactic, effort, execution every game but with varies results. That's probably why some posters keep saying the same stuff bc the team keeps playing the same way and nothing changes...

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Seriously, can someone please explain the offside call to me? Had a bad feed. The Swedish commentators didn't comment on it.

From what I saw it seemed like he pulled the puck into the zone, then back into the bluepaint, but never over it. Surely I must have missed something.

It never went all the way over the blue line in the first place - no white between the blue line & the puck - though it was very close.

 

[Synergy27]

Then I don't know what you think N/S is.

N/S is safe, straight ahead hockey with limited risk and limited cuts across the middle.

That's everyone on the Rangers.

I don't think Kaapo Kakko knows where the slot is at this point.

This team needs to be more E/W.

N/S to me is moving up and down the ice with speed and purpose. It’s putting pucks on the net more often than not, while creating traffic in front and being aggressive on rebounds. It’s attacking the slot and the center of the ice, constantly putting defenseman under duress.

It’s NOT pulling up at the blueline.

It’s NOT throwing 8% completion backhand passes through three defenders.

I don’t know that we have the horses.

 

[LORDE]

I wonder if this is rock bottom? Probably not.

 

[Machinehead]

Even if the tired routines are accurate and reflective of the same tired and routine game that the team plays each night?

Literally, yes.

I stand by everything I ever said about Girardi but it wasn't until I was much wiser that I realized how annoying I was about it.

Just bc they don't have a 4 goal third period collapse every night doesn't mean they don't play the same game every night that we saw today. It's the same tactic, effort, execution every game but with varies results. That's probably why some posters keep saying the same stuff bc the team keeps playing the same way and nothing changes...

But they don't play like this every night. They got absolutely caved in shots and scoring chances today.

Most of the year, they haven't.

You cannot care about the stats if you want, but some people respond to shots and chances. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position.

 

[Machinehead]

It’s attacking the slot and the center of the ice, constantly putting defenseman under duress.

I was right. You failed geography.

 

[xsniper11x]

I've been saying this for yonks.

Quinn HATED the E/W stuff but the forwards were good at it and scored goals. Now Gallant finally has coached the E/W stuff out of them and they look like shit and make opposing goalies into monsters, even badly struggling ones.

Two awful coaches hasn't done this team any favors. The vet players are simply doing what they know works for them and there is no spot for the kids there.

I'm looking at other teams and they move the puck faster and they get the goalie to move and they attack rebounds. The Rangers play cave man hockey as their base combined with vets trying to do their thing... It's just an awful combination.

We played quite a bit of E/W under Quinn and we absolutely lit up a lot of weaker teams. Those were fun games to watch.

Then we’d run into the Isles and Bruins who would give us nothing at E/W and we’d crumble. The team needed to learn multiple ways to win, but I think it’s just gotten to the point that there’s an issue with this core and talent mix. It’s easy to just lay it all at the feet of the coach, but at some point the constant needs to be addressed.

 

[Synergy27]

I was right. You failed geography.

I literally won my fifth grade geography bee. Highlight of my life.

I am also a N/S hockey player.

This is about skating not passing.

 

[SA16]

I watched a team that buried their chances & one that can skate circles around ours. We can revisit this post game on Monday if you prefer.

I wouldn't call getting outshot 81-38 in a game skating circles around anyone. This was probably the Devils worst game of the year.

 

[Kocur26]

6-2 Devils Monday

 

[RickChartraw]

I was right. You failed geography.

this seems unhelpful.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I wonder if this is rock bottom? Probably not.

Sadly I don't think it is. If/when we miss the playoffs, it's gonna get U-G-L-Y.

 

[Machinehead]

this seems unhelpful.

It's true!

The fabled middle literally requires lateral skating or lateral passing to get there from the boards, which is where a lot of play originates.

You want this team to play more N/S or you want Panarin to skate East into the middle of the ice. They're mutually exclusive.

 

[bleedblue94]

Then what it north-south hockey?

And if you say it's "going to the dirty areas," then you failed geography.

The middle of the ice is east/west of both wingers and both defenders.

Is it forechecking? Because the kids certainly do a whole of that and produce zero chances doing it.

Shots mean little if the quality and type aren't defined. How many rebound shots does this team get per game? How many one and dones? How many screened or tipped shots do we generate 5v5? Again, Rick Nash generated all kinds of shots and attempts with meh ways that rarely were of any danger, I don't care about that stuff. How often are we getting the puck to the net and actively crashing it and making life hell for the other team like on Gauthiers goal today?

The PowerPlay is its own mess and I stand by what I said I'm camp that trocheck should be on pp2 while laffy or kakko should be on the right halfwall of pp1 with panarin in the bumper position. If panarin continues to be dogshit at 5v5 take him off pp1 and slot the other top two pick in as well. The PowerPlay is ass and is predictable now so what are you really going to harm?

And for the love of God n s hockey refers to a game that sees the puck going a full 200 feet instead of this garbage pull-up hockey that shortens the routes for the opponent to get back to your zone and your net. N S hockey means getting it around the opposition and making their d turn, forcing them to play the full ice. We don't do those things bc this team is not in very good condition. They get tired when they have to play 200'. Even n s hockey involves plays side to side. Don't be dense. Even a team that wants to play e w hockey can be hard nosed and grind. Stop trying to marry the concepts. You think the avs don't play e w hockey? They love that game but they also are hard to play against and will grind the opponent.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I wouldn't call getting outshot 81-38 in a game skating circles around anyone. This was probably the Devils worst game of the year.

Yet they're all smiles in the post game. Read my last post on this to Machinehead...I didn't watch it like it was a Ranger game. From the 2nd period on the Devils were in control & the caps were taking a ton of shots from the outside. The Devils were forechecking hard & crashing the net & yes skating circles around an older slower team. Take it for what you will...your numbers are your numbers...the Devils were the better team in the portion of the game I saw.

 

[Machinehead]

Shots mean little if the quality and type aren't defined. How many rebound shots does this team get per game? How many one and dones? How many screened or tipped shots do we generate 5v5? Again, Rick Nash generated all kinds of shots and attempts with meh ways that rarely were of any danger, I don't care about that stuff. How often are we getting the puck to the net and actively crashing it and making life hell for the other team like on Gauthiers goal today?

The PowerPlay is its own mess and I stand by what I said I'm camp that trocheck should be on pp2 while laffy or kakko should be on the right halfwall of pp1 with panarin in the bumper position. If panarin continues to be dogshit at 5v5 take him off pp1 and slot the other top two pick in as well. The PowerPlay is ass and is predictable now so what are you really going to harm?

People who track this (Valiquette among them) have said the Rangers have had a ton more chances than goals.

You'll just disagree with that.

And that's fine, but then you get mad when I say "you know what? I'm just engaging with it because it's a pointless circle."

I try to understand multiple perspectives on the game but the visceral rejection of even basic analytics causes a lot of discontent.

 

[SA16]

Yet they're all smiles in the post game. Read my last post on this to Machinehead...I didn't watch it like it was a Ranger game. From the 2nd period on the Devils were in control & the caps were taking a ton of shots from the outside. The Devils were forechecking hard & crashing the net & yes skating circles around an older slower team. Take it for what you will...your numbers are your numbers...the Devils were the better team in the portion of the game I saw.

Well your eye test is obviously wrong. They did not take tons of shots from the outside.

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I count 13 shots from the slot area between the circles and then another 11 or so within the circles towards the inner side of the dot.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Lets be honest.

We could have drafted Jack Hughes, traded for Robertson, drafted Zegras etc... they would have all flopped here just like Kakko and Laffy.

Robertson and Zegras most definitely.

Every critique people here have of Kakko and Lafreniere's physical abilities is actually true in Jason Robertson. Yet Robertson is really really good and Kakko and Lafreniere are not.

Zegras would be getting the Kravtsov healthy scratch treatment.

 

[Machinehead]

Robertson and Zegras most definitely.

Every critique people here have of Kakko and Lafreniere's physical abilities is actually true in Jason Robertson. Yet Robertson is really really good and Kakko and Lafreniere are not.

Zegras would be getting the Kravtsov healthy scratch treatment.

The Rangers would watch Zegras try a Michigan in practice once and healthy scratch him for six years.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Well your eye test is obviously wrong. They did not take tons of shots from the outside.

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I count 13 shots from the slot area between the circles and then another 11 or so within the circles towards the inner side of the dot.

Fine you win...the better team got destroyed on the scoreboard because of puck luck or something. We're gonna embarrass the Devils on Monday.

 

[McRanger92]

Meaningless. Good thing my numbers were wrong. He's actually 17th. And he's not "paid to be top 5" The powerplay counts. Here are the top 10 forward salaries this year and where they rank in pts/60 since 2020.

1. Seguin - 135
2. Panarin - 17
3. McDavid - 6
4. Barkov - 28
5. Skinner - 55
6. Barzal - 47
7. Ovechkin - 44
8. Forsberg - 35
9. Eichel - 114
10. Meier - 45

Not a single one is top 5. And in that time frame he is #7 in overall points/game anyway.

Put lipstick on a pig all you want, he’s not been close to good enough

 

[Machinehead]

Fine you win...the better team got destroyed on the scoreboard because of puck luck or something.

Ok, like, I try to understand everyone's perspective, like I said, but this is like really unhealthy and you guys should like stop saying it as a "gotcha."

Yes. Literally f***ing yes.

This happens in at least one NHL game every single night.

 

[bleedblue94]

People who track this (Valiquette among them) have said the Rangers have had a ton more chances than goals.

You'll just disagree with that.

And that's fine, but then you get mad when I say "you know what? I'm just engaging with it because it's a pointless circle."

I try to understand multiple perspectives on the game but the visceral rejection of even basic analytics causes a lot of discontent.

You can't say that when you literally try to discredit things out of hand. Your comments to other about n s hockey meaning grinding hockey and mocking them show this.

I love vally but a lot of his info is based on passes through the middle and other singularly defined instances within a game which is fine but if the opposition knows what you are going to do all the time it doesn't matter if it is supposed to be high danger or not, NHL teams will neutralize it. Hockey is largely about providing the opposing team with misinformation so you can make plays and create offense, if you telegram everything or are predictive than any NHL team can snuff it out

 

[Machinehead]

You can't say that when you literally try to discredit things out of hand. Your comments to other about n s hockey meaning grinding hockey and mocking them show this.

I love vally but a lot of his info is based on passes through the middle and such which is fine but if the opposition knows what you are going to do all the time it doesn't matter if it is supposed to be high danger or not, NHL teams will neutralize it. Hockey is largely about providing the opposing team with misinformation so you can make plays and create offense, if you telegram everything or are predictive than any NHL team can snuff it out

I'm mocking the concept of "N/S hockey" because applying even a little bit of pressure to it, we're discovering that it means absolutely nothing.