Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[Machinehead]

This team has talent, unfortunately they’re all painfully slow. They need speed more than anything else to create more space and time for that talent to work.

Panarin’s sudden bouts of ES uselessness would be easier to tolerate he wasn’t making $12mm and uselesss in the playoffs. He won’t be here long term, the kids will be. I’m becoming very ready to use that $12mm to fill the lineup, forward and defense, with more speed to support our talented, but slow, kids and see what we have here.

If the kids suck, then we’re not going anywhere anytime soon, so let’s figure it out sooner rather than later.

Everybody has talent. I think, pound for pound, ours is below average.

This team can't string two passes together and people have been telling me my whole life "Machinehead they're just too talented."

Haven't had a homegrown forward crack 70 points since Tungsten Arm O'Doyle lit up the Saskatoon Eagles in the Dominion Challenge Cup, but they're too talented.

 

[CLW]

I completely agree and posted that earlier. It's inmates running the asylum here at this point. Vets get a free pass to do whatever. Kids will feel the "wraith," funny how laffy and miller are the only two called out by name in post game. Sure it's for the penalties but still, you couldn't name anyone else for missed coverages, passive play, lack of professionalism? Just Miller and laffy for "dumb" penalities?

It's infuriating. I've talked about the hierarchial totem pole the Rangers have in place before. This is exactly what I mean. Trouba's been absolutely WTF? the entire season but he gets propaganda coverage from the MSG crowd etc.

Panarin is a One Man Island
---
Zib and Kreider the 2 bros,
Fox the Norris Superstar (with Lindy his sidekick),
Igor the Vezina,
Trouba the Captain
---
then a group of Solid Vets
Goodrow the Ideal Player
Blais the Chosen One
Vesey the Dependable Standard Vet
etc
---
Miller the promising Stud
Kakko and Laffy trying to make their way into Superstardom toiling in a vacuum (with Fil along on the ride)
etc.

Where is the TEAM?

 

[duhmetreE]

Watching the Devils now & I think there's a greater chance of the Devs laying a 10 spot on us.

we should have drafted Jack Hughes

 

[Synergy27]

This team does not need to get more north/south. It needs more f***ing talent. Again, I know Panarin is annoying, but this team needs to go very much in the opposite direction of trading skill for north/south.

We already have young grinders. Kakko and Lafreniere.

I don’t know man. Kakko is by no means a N/S player. Laf is trying to be one I suppose.

I want skilled N/S players. Skill and N/S don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[Machinehead]

I don’t know man. Kakko is by no means a N/S player. Laf is trying to be one I suppose.

I want skilled N/S players. Skill and N/S don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

All Kakko does is cycle around until he gets tired. He hasn't hasn't taken a risk in his NHL career. How much more N/S can he be?

 

[xsniper11x]

Everybody has talent. I think, pound for pound, ours is below average.

This team can't string two passes together and people have been telling me my whole life "Machinehead they're just too talented."

Haven't had a homegrown forward crack 70 points since Tungsten Arm O'Doyle lit up the Saskatoon Eagles in the Dominion Challenge Cup, but they're too talented.

I hear the “organizational DNA” argument, but idk what we’re going to do about that right now. I think the issue at the moment is the mix of players we have. None better exemplified by the the $12mm one dimensional winger without much speed we keep forcing our offense around, when we need to start developing the lottery picks we fell into, that just so happen to also be Ws that lack speed.

It’s a crazy situation, but it is what it is. I’m sure Drury wants to address it, but cap is an issue. So let‘s free up cap, feed more minutes to these kids and see if we can shake a better cocktail than what we’re drinking.

 

[Chaels Arms]

I know the kids are getting a decent amount of even strength ice time but sticking with the kid line is abhorrent on so many levels.

I don't like how it results in a weird caste system that runs throughout our entire lineup in all situations. It's like we're separating the team into varsity and jv squads and those on one squad can never be on the ice with anyone from the other squad.

For Kakko or Lafreniere their supposedly elite teammates like Panarin and Zibanejad may as well play on the moon because they're never going to be on the ice with them. Not at even strength, not on the PK, and obviously not on the power play.

Our lineup is literally determined based off locker room cliques.

Kreider and Zibanejad on the ice together at all times. Evens, PK and PP. Is this even an objectively smart deployment of those two players or does it just keep happening because they're best friends forever?

Panarin gets thrown everywhere in the lineup so long as it's far away from our young players who are supposed to be important to the franchise.

On any other team the goal is to integrate young prospects with veteran talent. Have them play together and both benefit from it. We are the only team that decides to isolate our young players.

 

[bleedblue94]

It continues to amaze me how many posters on here are flipping out today that have been defending this team and arguing with others that they were just the "doom and gloom" group. You can't change a stance that you've argued for weeks simply bc of one period. Looks about as weak as laffy's wrister

 

[Machinehead]

It continues to amaze me how many posters on here are flipping out today that have been defending this team and arguing with others that they were just the "doom and gloom" group. You can't change a stance that you've argued for weeks simply bc of one period. Looks about as weak as laffy's wrister

They played like shit today and have legitimate issues which nobody was ever saying they don't.

It's just really toxic when they play well and lose because that's hockey, and half the board is blowing it up.

 

[SA16]

Watching the Devils now & I think there's a greater chance of the Devs laying a 10 spot on us.

The Devils got out shot attempted 81-38 in the game and 60-33 at even strength and you were impressed by their game tonight? They won a 2021-22 style NYR game. Two PPG. Get killed at 5v5. A bad angle goal (Hughes). And then a goal at the end of the game when the Caps were going all out for offense.

 

[Machinehead]

The Devils got out shot attempted 81-38 in the game and 60-33 at even strength and you were impressed by their game tonight?

Don't bother.

 

[Synergy27]

All Kakko does is cycle around until he gets tired. He hasn't hasn't taken a risk in his NHL career. How much more N/S can he be?

We might have a different definition of N/S? Cycling until you get tired is the exact opposite of N/S.

 

[xsniper11x]

I know the kids are getting a decent amount of even strength ice time but sticking with the kid line is abhorrent on so many levels.

I don't like how it results in a weird caste system that runs throughout our entire lineup in all situations. It's like we're separating the team into varsity and jv squads and those on one squad can never be on the ice with anyone from the other squad.

For Kakko or Lafreniere their supposedly elite teammates like Panarin and Zibanejad may as well play on the moon because they're never going to be on the ice with them. Not at even strength, not on the PK, and obviously not on the power play.

Our lineup is literally determined based off locker room cliques.

Kreider and Zibanejad on the ice together at all times. Evens, PK and PP. Is this even an objectively smart deployment of those two players or does it just keep happening because they're best friends forever?

Panarin gets thrown everywhere in the lineup so long as it's far away from our young players who are supposed to be important to the franchise.

On any other team the goal is to integrate young prospects with veteran talent. Have them play together and both benefit from it. We are the only team that decides to isolate our young players.

Tough part is the Kid line is the only unit that has any sustained chemistry. I’d love to have a look at Laf - Zib - Kakko for a while, but if it doesn’t work then we’ve got 3 bad offensive lines as opposed to 2.

 

[Machinehead]

We might have a different definition of N/S? Cycling until you get tired is the exact opposite of N/S.

Then I don't know what you think N/S is.

N/S is safe, straight ahead hockey with limited risk and limited cuts across the middle.

That's everyone on the Rangers.

I don't think Kaapo Kakko knows where the slot is at this point.

This team needs to be more E/W.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lets be honest.

We could have drafted Jack Hughes, traded for Robertson, drafted Zegras etc... they would have all flopped here just like Kakko and Laffy.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Said before the season started there would be a surprise trade or move made around the quarter point of the season.

I don’t think it’s going to be much of a surprise anymore.

Regardless of how they’ve played and the “ “bad luck” they’ve encountered, the past two losses, especially todays was unacceptable.

Some fans will overreact, but however you feel about how things have gone - you cannot lose that game in regulation. You just cannot.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The Devils got out shot attempted 81-38 in the game and 60-33 at even strength and you were impressed by their game tonight? They won a 2021-22 style NYR game. Two PPG. Get killed at 5v5. A bad angle goal (Hughes). And then a goal at the end of the game when the Caps were going all out for offense.

Don't bother.

I watched a team that buried their chances & one that can skate circles around ours. We can revisit this post game on Monday if you prefer.

 

[and 99 others]

Then I don't know what you think N/S is.

N/S is safe, straight ahead hockey with limited risk and limited cuts across the middle.

That's everyone on the Rangers.

I don't think Kaapo Kakko knows where the slot is at this point.

This team needs to be more E/W.

literally not a single person who has played hockey before defines this as north-south hockey.

 

[Machinehead]

I watched a team that buried their chances & one that can skate circles around ours. We can revisit this post game on Monday if you prefer.

I mean, you're not entirely wrong, the Devils are good team.

I wouldn't be impressed by tonight's effort.

I've spent the majority of 12 years on here trying to convince people that getting severely outshot is bad and it's wild to me.

 

[bleedblue94]

They played like shit today and have legitimate issues which nobody was ever saying they don't.

It's just really toxic when they play well and lose because that's hockey, and half the board is blowing it up.

It's not though, because if they play well and lose then there's going to be games that they play bad and win. That stuff evens out for good teams.

But that actually has nothing to do with what I'm saying or what you replied to. There's literally people here that four days ago were defending this team and saying that everybody that was complaining about it was being reactionary and too negative. This entire board right now is ready to trade away half the roster, including the people that were just defending them days ago. Those are the people I'm talking about. They all know who they are, but it's just completely hypocritical to see people three or four days ago trying to defend this team with analytics and everything else but then now turning around and agreeing with everybody who's openly stating that the roster is flawed, that the mix is bad, and that they generally are not a good team despite what our hearts want to convince us of. My point is it's weak to change positions that easily, it shows those people didn't have conviction in their opinions before.

Literally nobody has posted in here and said "oh they just had a bad 20 mins that is out of character for this team," everyone is ready to burn it down bc what we just saw was a manifestation of all the issues other have been talking about that people tried their damnedest to either ignore or justify, and now the analytics are starting to come in line with what we're actually watching on the ice now. Neither of them is good.

 

[Machinehead]

literally not a single person who has played hockey before defines this as north-south hockey.

Then what it north-south hockey?

And if you say it's "going to the dirty areas," then you failed geography.

The middle of the ice is east/west of both wingers and both defenders.

Is it forechecking? Because the kids certainly do a whole of that and produce zero chances doing it.

 

[CLW]

Then I don't know what you think N/S is.

N/S is safe, straight ahead hockey with limited risk and limited cuts across the middle.

That's everyone on the Rangers.

I don't think Kaapo Kakko knows where the slot is at this point.

This team needs to be more E/W.

I've been saying this for yonks.

Quinn HATED the E/W stuff but the forwards were good at it and scored goals. Now Gallant finally has coached the E/W stuff out of them and they look like shit and make opposing goalies into monsters, even badly struggling ones.

Two awful coaches hasn't done this team any favors. The vet players are simply doing what they know works for them and there is no spot for the kids there.

I'm looking at other teams and they move the puck faster and they get the goalie to move and they attack rebounds. The Rangers play cave man hockey as their base combined with vets trying to do their thing... It's just an awful combination.

 

[Machinehead]

It's not though, because if they play well and lose then there's going to be games that they play bad and win. That stuff evens out for good teams.

But that actually has nothing to do with what I'm saying or what you replied to. There's literally people here that four days ago were defending this team and saying that everybody that was complaining about it was being reactionary and too negative. This entire board right now is ready to trade away half the roster, including the people that were just defending them days ago. Those are the people I'm talking about. They all know who they are, but it's just completely hypocritical to see people three or four days ago trying to defend this team with analytics and everything else but then now turning around and agreeing with everybody who's openly stating that the roster is flawed, that the mix is bad, and that they generally are not a good team despite what our hearts want to convince us of. My point is it's weak to change positions that easily, it shows those people didn't have conviction in their opinions before.

Literally nobody has posted in here and said "oh they just had a bad 20 mins that is out of character for this team," everyone is ready to burn it down bc what we just saw was a manifestation of all the issues other have been talking about that people tried their damnedest to either ignore or justify, and now the analytics are starting to come in line with what we're actually watching on the ice now. Neither of them is good.

The team can have problems and also have people posting the same tired routine after every game. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I mean, you're not entirely wrong, the Devils are good team.

I wouldn't be impressed by tonight's effort.

I've spent the majority of 12 years on here trying to convince people that getting severely outshot is bad and it's wild to me.

Granted I turned it on somewhere in the 2nd Period, & I'm on here typing away, so I didn't pay THAT close attention, but from what I saw the Caps were never in this...almost all their chances were coming from the outside. The Devils were forechecking the shit out of them & crashing the caps net pretty hard. Their team speed is going to be problematic for every team in the league, like it or not.

 

[Machinehead]

Also, I didn't burn anything down. I'm on a list of like three posters who didn't trade Panarin since the game ended.

I just wanna know why every forward who comes to this organization is ass (and before somebody screams a couple of exceptions at me...don't).

I've been asking that for years.