Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[Boris Zubov]

Ok, like, I try to understand everyone's perspective, like I said, but this is like really unhealthy and you guys should like stop saying it as a "gotcha."

Yes. Literally f***ing yes.

This happens in at least one NHL game every single night.

I'm not trying to "get" anyone....If the other poster would actually read what I'm saying instead of trying to simply "win" his point, maybe there would be a constructive dialogue. This literally grew out of me stating there was a better chance of the Devs laying a 10 spot on us because of their team speed. I wasn't bragging about their win tonight. I f***ing hate that team.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm mocking the concept of "N/S hockey" because applying even a little bit of pressure to it, we're discovering that it means absolutely nothing.

As opposed to E W? Boy you love tossing darts, and you claim you like to look at everyone's perspectives to understand them but you can't do that if all you do is mock people and discredit them. That's literally the opposite of trying to absorb, value, or understand other people's opinions which is what you earlier claimed you do.

I'm not trying to "get" anyone....If the other poster would actually read what I'm saying instead of trying to simply "win" his point, maybe there would be a constructive dialog. This literally grew out of me stating there was a better chance of the Devs laying a 10 spot on us because of their team speed. I wasn't bragging about their win tonight. I f***ing hate that team.

Internet argument manipulation is a learned trait. Don't worry about it. It's why most humans can't actually have discussions anymore bc of exact what you described above.

 

[Machinehead]

As opposed to E W? Boy you love tossing darts, and you claim you like to look at everyone's perspectives to understand them but you can't do that if all you do is mock people and discredit them. That's literally the opposite of trying to absorb, value, or understand other people's opinions.

No, I do try, but I have a certain tolerance.

I'm human.

I do think it's a pretty meaningless concept.

Obviously you go straight ahead in the defensive zone. If you're not going E/W on offense, you're not doing offense.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Fundamentally, during this rebuild we should have never given NMC and NTC until we knew this core of players successfully worked together not only chemistry wise but different types of players. It hasn't, our hands are mostly tied and stubborn players are only outdone by 2 stubborn coaches who couldn't remedy the problem.

I'd take the 80 point panarin under Torts who had 2 way reliable players with him vs the loose no system no responsible 95 point version while he goes minus 30 on the season.

 

[CLW]

We played quite a bit of E/W under Quinn and we absolutely lit up a lot of weaker teams. Those were fun games to watch.

Then we’d run into the Isles and Bruins who would give us nothing at E/W and we’d crumble. The team needed to learn multiple ways to win, but I think it’s just gotten to the point that there’s an issue with this core and talent mix. It’s easy to just lay it all at the feet of the coach, but at some point the constant needs to be addressed.

Yeah but it was a rebuilding team. Then Dolan decided he had had enough of that an wanted an immediate playoff team so here we are with a half baked team with continued poor coaching, no identity and an outdated play style.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not trying to "get" anyone....If the other poster would actually read what I'm saying instead of trying to simply "win" his point, maybe there would be a constructive dialog. This literally grew out of me stating there was a better chance of the Devs laying a 10 spot on us because of their team speed. I wasn't bragging about their win tonight. I f***ing hate that team.

I would agree with that. They have the best analytics in the league, so there's that.

I don't care that much about one-game samples.

I just don't think it should be considered odd the the worse of two teams in one game won by a few goals. That happens every night.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[JohnC]

My gut instinct is that we’re more likely to play a better game than the Devils, solidly out chance them, and lose 2-0 (1 empty netter) and people will come here chest thumping like we lost 10-0.

 

[bleedblue94]

No, I do try, but I have a certain tolerance.

I'm human.

I do think it's a pretty meaningless concept.

Obviously you go straight ahead in the defensive zone. If you're not going E/W on offense, you're not doing offense.

So how do you arrive to claiming cycling is n s hockey?

 

[Machinehead]

Fundamentally, during this rebuild we should have never given NMC and NTC until we knew this core of players successfully worked together not only chemistry wise but different types of players. It hasn't, our hands are mostly tied and stubborn players are only outdone by 2 stubborn coaches who couldn't remedy the problem.

I'd take the 80 point panarin under Torts who had 2 way reliable players with him vs the loose no system no responsible 95 point version while he goes minus 30 on the season.

You can't just not give out clauses. There's competition for singing players.

 

[bleedblue94]

Fundamentally, during this rebuild we should have never given NMC and NTC until we knew this core of players successfully worked together not only chemistry wise but different types of players. It hasn't, our hands are mostly tied and stubborn players are only outdone by 2 stubborn coaches who couldn't remedy the problem.

I'd take the 80 point panarin under Torts who had 2 way reliable players with him vs the loose no system no responsible 95 point version while he goes minus 30 on the season.

100000000000%

 

[Machinehead]

So how do you arrive to claiming cycling is n s hockey?

It is a logical conclusion, if you tend to play in a straight line, that you're going to resort to dumping and chasing because playing in a straight line doesn't force defenders out of position.

 

[Chaels Arms]

I do a fantasy hockey pool for a decent amount of money with some friends. We've been doing it for decades. I was thinking today about how as part of my research every year I try to be aware of players with good draft pedigree who may be on the verge of taking the next step. These are players who might have previously been their team's second or third scoring option who now have become a primary option. I was able to get Robertson in 20-21 and Necas this year. Also, Owen Tippett this season has chipped in a decent amount of offense for a post-draft pickup.

When I do this exercise I always come to the Rangers and I look at Kakko and Lafreniere and I just completely skip over them knowing that normal forward prospect logic doesn't apply to this franchise.

 

[bleedblue94]

You can't just not give out clauses. There's competition for singing players.

You don't have to give them out to everyone you sign. You're telling me Vinny trocheck needed a nmc? GTFO

 

[Machinehead]

My gut instinct is that we’re more likely to play a better game than the Devils, solidly out chance them, and lose 2-0 (1 empty netter) and people will come here chest thumping like we lost 10-0.

Either that or they'll get outshot 66-9 and win so I and I alone can suffer.

 

[Machinehead]

You don't have to give them out to everyone you sign. You're telling me Vinny trocheck needed a nmc? GTFO

In an open market where every team had access to him? Absolutely.

 

[bleedblue94]

It is a logical conclusion, if you tend to play in a straight line, that you're going to resort to dumping and chasing because playing in a straight line doesn't force defenders out of position.

What does dump and chase have to do with cycling?

They literally are two separate concepts.

And players in a straight line to force other out of position if they drive the net.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Why the f*** is Jack Hughes mentioned here?

1. While we all expect Kakko and Laf to eventually carry us, they are not currently paid nor deployed to do so. You need to look at Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider
2. If Kakko had gone 1st, we could discuss about Hughes. We didn't get to choose, so quit complaining.

It's obvious that this team is not performing to the level they could. I refuse to believe this is what they are. Panarin, Zib, the Kids all have more to give. Especially 5v5. I don't even think it's a tactical problem at this point, though we have lacked structure for years. Gallant has simply outplayed his welcome. Not the first time this has happened with him either.

he is mentioned because the way they handled it was how should be handled and how IT IS handled by 99% of the teams in the NHL.

This organizations arrogance has and is it’s downfall.

 

[Machinehead]

What does dump and chase have to do with cycling?

They literally are two separate concepts.

And players in a straight line to force other out of position if they drive the net.

The net is not in a straight line from most players positions.

You guys failed geography.

 

[bleedblue94]

In an open market where every team had access to him? Absolutely.

Not if you are going to overpay him as well. There is a an either or here. As I said at the time of the signing Drury screwed up bc he had no plan b. He went all in on Vinny and Amy agent worth a shit can sniff that out and will exploit it. Vinny's agent did. He never should have gotten a nmc less the rest of that contract.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

In an open market where every team had access to him? Absolutely.

Yeah clauses is just part of doing business

I have no issues with some of the clauses on the team

Only ones that stick out are Halak (sorry MH), and Goodrow

I’m tempted to throw Kreider in there too but that’s a different conversation lol

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Rangers blow a 3 goal lead in the 3rd and lose while top 3 teams in the metro win. I hate hockey.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah clauses is just part of doing business

I have no issues with some of the clauses on the team

Only ones that stick out are Halak (sorry MH), and Goodrow

I’m tempted to throw Kreider in there too but that’s a different conversation lol

Halak really fell off this season

 

[bleedblue94]

The net is not in a straight line from most players positions.

You guys failed geography.

Again, why do you play dense for the "gotcha?"

You literally complain about people making "luck" comments as gotcha at you and then you play stupid here. Straight line hockey isn't straight line to the boards behind the goal line, it's straight lines to the net.

You're not as cheeky as you think you are, either that or you just simply don't know the game as much as you try to project you do. Either way it's played out.

 

[Machinehead]

Again, why do you play dense for the "gotcha?"

You literally complain about people making "luck" comments as gotcha at you and then you play stupid here. Straight line hockey isn't straight line to the boards behind the goal line, it's straight lines to the net.

You're not as cheeky as you think you are, either that or you just simy don't know the game as much as you try to project you do. Either way it's played out.

If you mean drive the net then just say drive the net.

Why does it have to this nebulous nonsense?

You sound like a coach.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yeah clauses is just part of doing business

I have no issues with some of the clauses on the team

Only ones that stick out are Halak (sorry MH), and Goodrow

I’m tempted to throw Kreider in there too but that’s a different conversation lol

Goodrow can actually be bought out after this year and the terms are pretty team friendly. He's been playing pretty well though.