Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[DanielBrassard]

I'll say it again, Panarin is annoying, but I'm not seeing where the problem is that he's not "north/south" enough, for the most part.

I think more often than not, the problem with Panarin is that he doesn't f***ing do anything anymore.

This entire team is Barclay Goodrow.

That's exactly right. Panarin's problem isn't so much how he plays, it's that his physical skills aren't what they used to be. His skating isn't quite as fluid, he doesn't protect the puck like he used to, he doesn't attack defenders 1-on-1, the guy used to break down defenses consistently with his ability to hold onto pucks, draw defenders to him and exploit the open passing lanes. He also used to be an expert at picking guys pockets, forget about that anymore.

 

[LOFIN]

I'll let it slide about you being an Avs fan first, lol. The lack of structure is appalling and the biggest problem is their own zone coverage. It's a train wreck at times and has caused them much pain and losses. It's obviously not going to change under Gallant.

We have one of the best goalies in the league. It's infuriating to watch how many tough saves he has to make. Another thing, we should have a really good D-corps in terms of puck moving D. Fox obviously, but Miller, Schneider, Jones... Yet we play so f***ing slow. We look so slow. It's about moving the puck, and it starts with the D. Yet at times it seems like Fox is the only guy who can make a breakout pass.

Roster construction wise, @ViD was right with this thread IMO The New York Rangers are a perfectly built team this year

We are just playing like shit. And have been doing so for a long time, par the playoffs where I guess the top players just found another gear. I loved how in the TNT broadcast against the Avs the reporter asked MacKinnon "the Rangers are a fast team too" or something like that and he literally held back laughter. The Rangers are slow, and it's not because of players. We simply don't move the puck quick enough. That's a system issue.

 

[Boris Zubov]

We have one of the best goalies in the league. It's infuriating to watch how many tough saves he has to make. Another thing, we should have a really good D-corps in terms of puck moving D. Fox obviously, but Miller, Schneider, Jones... Yet we play so f***ing slow. We look so slow. It's about moving the puck, and it starts with the D. Yet at times it seems like Fox is the only guy who can make a breakout pass.

Roster construction wise, @ViD was right with this thread IMO The New York Rangers are a perfectly built team this year

We are just playing like shit. And have been doing so for a long time, par the playoffs where I guess the top players just found another gear. I loved how in the TNT broadcast against the Avs the reporter asked MacKinnon "the Rangers are a fast team too" or something like that and he literally held back laughter. The Rangers are slow, and it's not because of players. We simply don't move the puck quick enough. That's a system issue.

That f***ing guy needs to be permabanned from our board & from posting about our team or players on the main boards as well.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I liked Quinn his first season with us. I liked how our team played despite a pathetic roster. I liked how he held players accountable to their performance no matter who it was. Zuccarello, Shattenkirk, Hayes, Miller, Kreider, didn't matter. Dude sat Marc Staal on Dan Girardi night. That was ice cold, but I was so here for it.

Gorton goes out and signs Panarin, signs Trouba, adds a bunch of children to the roster and suddenly all of that left the building. Like, immediately.

I miss Torts for that same reason. Gallant seemed like a good add based on his whole 'it's a 23 man roster,' 'everybody has a role' thing. Play it out and it's clear the only difference between he and 2019 Quinn was that he wouldn't bench the kids as often and wouldn't leave players out to dry in the media.

I don't know the inside of the NHL well enough to say whether the coach is the problem. What I do know is that this team, even as constructed, has a lot more to give than what it's given so far. Less than the sum of its parts in a big way.

Goaltending has been a problem this year. Big enough that this meltdown thread would not be here at all if it were an asset this season. The only player keeping this thing afloat right now is Adam Fox. For every bad feeling I have towards this org right now, I'll say that Fox alone gets me to keep watching the games. The kid is hands down the most talented skater I've ever seen in a Rangers uniform. He's right there with Leetch, and IMHO, he's ahead of even him.

Sucks to see this team floundering like this, but one thing we know about the Rangers is that this level of ineptitude won't be tolerated for long. Let's all just pray they don't make changes that make us worse when the changes inevitably come.

 

[17futurecap]

Worked all day, checked NHL.com at 3-0. Got home, and saw this thread at 27 pages, good one to miss I guess?

 

[LORDE]

In an ideal world, I guess you don't sign Panarin. You let Kreider go. Force kids into positions. Would this fanbase like it? In retrospect sure, but at that point? In the end, the roster is what it is at this point. It's easier to change a coach than to make a massive turnover with the roster.

Some of us wanted this exactly.

It's called a true rebuild and once you f*** with the timeline and have superstars like Bread who are ready to win, surrounded by kids who aren't... this s what you get.

I realize you can't have a team of all vets or all kids... but the timeline was way out of whack... just Like w Hank being ready and the team not

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

And another thing. Shesterkin cannot let that happen. In all my years watching him from the khl ahl nhl his strength was always locking a game down. That was an inexcusable display from him. The tying goal was a joke. Both these goalies have given away too many games with bad goals.

This is a big thing. The team around him was terrible, but at least 2 of those goals were extremely stoppable. Team was stinking up the joint but a 3 goal lead in the third period? It was 3-3 by just halfway into the period. You can't blow a 3 goal lead in 10 minutes.

Serious question, did Lundqvist ever blow a 3 goal 3rd period lead and lose in regulation? His career was so long, it may have happened but I can't remember.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We have one of the best goalies in the league. It's infuriating to watch how many tough saves he has to make. Another thing, we should have a really good D-corps in terms of puck moving D. Fox obviously, but Miller, Schneider, Jones... Yet we play so f***ing slow. We look so slow. It's about moving the puck, and it starts with the D. Yet at times it seems like Fox is the only guy who can make a breakout pass.

Roster construction wise, @ViD was right with this thread IMO The New York Rangers are a perfectly built team this year

We are just playing like shit. And have been doing so for a long time, par the playoffs where I guess the top players just found another gear. I loved how in the TNT broadcast against the Avs the reporter asked MacKinnon "the Rangers are a fast team too" or something like that and he literally held back laughter. The Rangers are slow, and it's not because of players. We simply don't move the puck quick enough. That's a system issue.

Yup, this is the problem. A team full of average skaters can still play a fast game. You make quick decisions with the puck, you make quick outlet passes and move through the NZ with speed and puck support and you can push the pace even if it's not a team full of Grabners. This team hesitates at all times. They hesitate to make breakout passes, they fly solo in the NZ and force passes or dump and don't get in on the puck. They're constantly hesitating to make decisions all over the ice and it allows the opponent to blanket them and always be in their face and cover their lanes leading to uncreative and forced plays.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lmao how did I miss this

 

[LOFIN]

Yup, this is the problem. A team full of average skaters can still play a fast game. You make quick decisions with the puck, you make quick outlet passes and move through the NZ with speed and puck support and you can push the pace even if it's not a team full of Grabners. This team hesitates at all times. They hesitate to make breakout passes, they fly solo in the NZ and force passes or dump and don't get in on the puck. They're constantly hesitating to make decisions all over the ice and it allows the opponent to blanket them and always be in their face and cover their lanes leading to uncreative and forced plays.

And a lot of that is pre planned plays. The puck moves fast when the D-man KNOWS the forward will be there.

I don't think Gallant is a systems coach. Or if he is one, he sucks at it. He can get the players buy into pulling together. But that doesn't last for years.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yup, this is the problem. A team full of average skaters can still play a fast game. You make quick decisions with the puck, you make quick outlet passes and move through the NZ with speed and puck support and you can push the pace even if it's not a team full of Grabners. This team hesitates at all times. They hesitate to make breakout passes, they fly solo in the NZ and force passes or dump and don't get in on the puck. They're constantly hesitating to make decisions all over the ice and it allows the opponent to blanket them and always be in their face and cover their lanes leading to uncreative and forced plays.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but as great as Fox is, he's constantly slowing the game down. I appreciate that's him being patient, but the rest of the team tries to emulate him & Panarin, when all that does is give the other team a chance to close the gaps & take away any time or space the Rangers might've had to make a play or get to the middle of the ice.

 

[pbgoalie]

Always wondered why gallant was unceremoniously dismissed everywhere.

Starting to look a lot like the end in Vegas when they just played through the motions waiting for a star to do something great and steal a win

Only Shesty is t in God mode right now

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but as great as Fox is, he's constantly slowing the game down. I appreciate that's him being patient, but the rest of the team tries to emulate him & Panarin, when all that does is give the other team a chance to close the gaps & take away any time or space the Rangers might've had to make a play or get to the middle of the ice.

Yes, I agree that's a frustrating part of Fox. He slows things down a lot when there's a transition play to be made and push the pace. However, Fox is so good that he makes it work when he's on the ice. You're right though that the problem is the rest of the guys trying to emulate him and Panarin. So we have a whole team of guys trying to make the off speed plays when those plays only work from those players when they're the exception. If the whole team is slowing down and hesitating, it slows everything up and makes it easy to defend. Fox can flash his brilliance and make something out of nothing, but when the rest of the team is trying to do the same thing and it obviously doesn't work because they're NOT Adam Fox - we see what it gets us. A team that is slow and seemingly easy to defend because they're slow and predictable. You need guys pushing the pace and opening lanes and making quick plays and moving the puck quickly and then Fox comes in and freelances inside that structure. It's just not happening right now.

 

[GbgRanger]

Any one ever gonna ask Gallant why he doesnt ever call a timeout???

Seems like he thinks the tv commercial breaks does the trick.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Always wondered why gallant was unceremoniously dismissed everywhere.

Starting to look a lot like the end in Vegas when they just played through the motions waiting for a star to do something great and steal a win

Only Shesty is t in God mode right now

He was ousted in Vegas by a petulant, impatient owner who has the worst case of shiny new toy syndrome in recent memory. When McPhee built the roster through the expansion draft it was a bunch of blue collar dudes who had a huge chip on their shoulder from being unwanted by their former teams. They had chemistry & they played hard every shift to prove their former teams wrong.

Fast forward a year & the owner fresh off a trip to the Finals is now really eager to win, so he starts collecting All-Stars & paying them extremely well. First Pacioretty, then Stone in trades, then the entire core is signed to long term deals. Before you know it the team is in cap hell & the motivation these guys once had suddenly isn't so dire now that they all have long term security. That team definitely developed country club vibes...I recall a few times that year I compared them to the dark-ages Rangers...basically all fat cats.

Add in a blown playoff loss... granted Game 7 vs San Jose in 2019 featured the worst call I've ever seen that directly impacted the result of a playoff game & thus a series. Then the owner starts to grow even more impatient...shiny new toy coach becomes available & Gallant is fired while his team is tied for first place. Was Gallant perfect in Vegas...not at all. Did he deserve a longer leash...hell yes.

Same thing could happen here....just a different set of events leading up to it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

And a lot of that is pre planned plays. The puck moves fast when the D-man KNOWS the forward will be there.

I don't think Gallant is a systems coach. Or if he is one, he sucks at it. He can get the players buy into pulling together. But that doesn't last for years.

Yeah I made the analogy earlier that they're like a basketball team that is intent on always slowing the play down and setting up their half court set play offense instead of ebbing and flowing and running the fast break when it's there and setting up quick plays in the half court when they're there. At least in spirit and feel, this is how it feels to me.

For Gallant, he really seems like the coach you bring in once all the pieces and structure are in place. Like when we brought in AV after Torts. Gallant would've been a guy you bring in after Torts (in that scenario) was here to lay down the structure.

 

[gravey9]

Miller, imo, paid for Carpenter screwing up. That whole sequence is so typical of the Ranger's play this season. Missed plays, missed assignements, sloppy mistakes that lead to more sloppy mistakes. This is on the coaches imo, the lack of structure and a solid X and O base that's been drilled into the players so they don't even think about it twice.

This is the season in a nutshell. Either Drury knows there are lots of injuries and is giving the team and staff a pass. Or They are not evaluating the situation properly. The cap has constrained them. Kravtsov is stuck on roster. And Hartford is an s show too. It’s a very mediocre look right about now.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Why is Kravs not even sniffing playing time? Halak and Hajek get games. What is the problem?

 

[2014nyr]

People who track this (Valiquette among them) have said the Rangers have had a ton more chances than goals.

You'll just disagree with that.

And that's fine, but then you get mad when I say "you know what? I'm just engaging with it because it's a pointless circle."

I try to understand multiple perspectives on the game but the visceral rejection of even basic analytics causes a lot of discontent.

the only way to discount the chances we've had is if you take into account the shots we put on net with them - which have pretty much exclusively been horrendous. like we might be a historically bad team at shooting the puck. we also pass up even bothering to throw a muffin into the goalies logo in the interests of attempting a pass that helen keller could see has no chance of getting through. but make no mistake we've consistently out chanced teams almost every night. i'd guess at least 17/22 or whatever we've played.

the shooting thing is alarming. i mean thinking back on the year the number of goals where we've had someone pick a spot and beat a goalie i have at 1 - panarin i remember, though i'd guess there's at least 1-2 more...i hope. troch, laf, kakko, chytil in particular have had an alarming number of looks on shots coming through the slot that have been just awful - muffins into the chest or missed by a mile (chytil has been good finding space to fire shots off the pass though). panarin has returned to his refusal to shoot. kreider has been largely useless, and mika hasn't generated much for himself or his linemates 5 on 5. not gonna live off beating goalies clean but its an area we've gotten virtually 0 production despite those looks being a primary source of our chances. as a supposedly high skill team you'd expect those to be a source of scoring. the egregiously poor shooting quality we've shown, esp from guys you'd expect to ring doorbells regularly, is infuriating to watch. like WHY do we fire it into a goalies chest every single shot. if you can't pick a corner shoot for a rebound. i don't know the numbers but i'm confident saying we've generated way fewer odd man rushes this year than last. not sure if that's a product of teams keying on preventing those or us not being decisive enough defensively to force teams into them - probably both. but on those the few we've had i feel like have been another disaster. when the pass is there we use the pea shooter and when its not we make it anyway. don't get me started on breakaways. throw in a pp that flat out sucks right now - and for the life of me i can't figure out why one time he cant start the kid line, maybe less let pp1 play through it and more light a fire under their ass. at least that's my read on why we are where we are record wise / the big reasons all these chances don't end up in the net / what's missing.

so basically unless the guys creating the chances we're duffing now figure out how to bury those they should quit looking for those slot shots and start funneling everything at the net to crash and see if they can score like gauthier today. and while i'm extremely down on our skill level shown so far i'm not trying to be all doom and gloom about our general prospects. i think kakko and laf need to get a few to go in and they'll heat up. troch idno...kinda stromish. the fact that this team is treading water while seemingly have pretty much every possible break going against it and looking strong most nights has me thinking at some point they'll rip off like 18/21.

 

[gravey9]

Then I don't know what you think N/S is.

N/S is safe, straight ahead hockey with limited risk and limited cuts across the middle.

That's everyone on the Rangers.

I don't think Kaapo Kakko knows where the slot is at this point.

This team needs to be more E/

Lmao how did I miss this

Holy S*. That’s our captain. Uh it might be far worse than we realize right now in the locker room. How is that not a brawl starter?

 

[effen]

Holy S*. That’s our captain. Uh it might be far worse than we realize right now in the locker room. How is that not a brawl starter?

They don't defend themselves. They havent for years. Token guys here or there. Let Brendan smith belatedly get his ass kicked in a fight, good job guys.

Quinn had a story about his first or second year where they got punked and he demanded they stand up for each other. Didn't follow it up explicitly but the implication was they didn't, and that bore true.

Just a bunch of read and react nice guys who don't want to bother the other team. Regardless of what happens. Heaven for f***ing bid they're ever the aggressors.

Nothing changes till Kreider and Panarin are gone. They'll just keep going for a skate. The Rangers play the game at the tone they set. Long tenured lifer and best player. If they don't care why does anyone else?

 

[makdeniss]

I said it before and will say it again: Trouba as captain was a bad choice. And that Draisatl move… LOL what a kick in the nuts.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Holy S*. That’s our captain. Uh it might be far worse than we realize right now in the locker room. How is that not a brawl starter?

Yea it’s pretty insane that there was no response to that lmao just keeps gliding like nothing happened and nobody cared. Pathetic.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Some of us wanted this exactly.

It's called a true rebuild and once you f*** with the timeline and have superstars like Bread who are ready to win, surrounded by kids who aren't... this s what you get.

I realize you can't have a team of all vets or all kids... but the timeline was way out of whack... just Like w Hank being ready and the team not

We should have committed to the Late 90s early 00s Detroit model then. You keep ALL of your prospects in CHL/AHL/international until they ripen completely. We tried to have our cake and eat it too. Rebuild and sign stars to win faster.

 

[GbgRanger]

This is a big thing. The team around him was terrible, but at least 2 of those goals were extremely stoppable. Team was stinking up the joint but a 3 goal lead in the third period? It was 3-3 by just halfway into the period. You can't blow a 3 goal lead in 10 minutes.

Serious question, did Lundqvist ever blow a 3 goal 3rd period lead and lose in regulation? His career was so long, it may have happened but I can't remember.

They gave up a 5-0 lead in 2008. I have tried to forget this game but it is quite hard. I still remember how bad it felt at the time.

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At least Rangers made it up somewhat in 2019...