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Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

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Machinehead said:
Again, it's nothing to do with Trocheck, but I think it's clearest example there is of the Rangers having the chance to promote a young player and keeping him in the bottom six.
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true but we also should have tried him in the top six last year to know what we would be getting especially when panarin-strome was stale
 
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Machinehead said:
In the real world, yes.

We're living in Rangersland were Panarin-Strome was Jagr-Lemieux.
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yea its f***ing annoying. it feels like this season is done. might as well play the kids 22 minutes (not on the same line of course)

and we're so f***ing boring to watch. other teams score on breakaways. they breakout as a 5 man unit. they forecheck and back check hard. they have constant movement in the ozone. we just cycle around the perimeter with nobody moving their feet
 
Machinehead said:
Andrew Tate plays for Chicago or...?
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Arizona. Despite the Coyotes sucking this year, Tate’s expected masculinity/ per 60 minutes is the best on the Yotes. And it’s even higher when Arizona has an expected days of rain/ per month ratio of 3 divided by the square root of Kravtsov’s expected scratches per 82 games multiplied by the expected jersey size of Steve McKenna minus the amount of Dude Perfect attempts to score on Halak while they’re blindfolded and can only shoot with one arm.
 
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They did the right thing sending Othmann back when he wasn't gonna play.

Next year, he should either be on the first line for Rangers or on the first line for the Wolf Pack. Those are your choices. I don't want him up here playing 12 minutes and doing Panarin's laundry.

If that's what he's gonna do, send him to Hartford. Shit or get off the pot.
 
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This game was so fcking indicative. Not even close to being an aberration. Toxic stuff. On to the Roster building thread to lament.
 
THE BIG WHISTLE said:
Really, why???
We have a coach that took us to the ECF just last season,that’s pretty fresh but n just 22 games since then, he’s no good
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I don't think the majority here understand that Gallant has no way to motivate Zibs/Panarin/Trouba/Kreider . They all have air tight contracts with little incentive to listen or do what they don't like doing . They have no incentive to be better or play harder minutes with and without the puck .

If Gallant does stuff that they figure causes them embarrassment like a benching or sitting out a game or a spot on the 4th line...then he runs the risk of alienating them completely and losing them altogether such that they would be even worse.....it can happen !!!

This current coaching by Gallant is all he has....it is the hand he was dealt . He sends the horses over the boards but if the horses don't run....what can he do ???? The only guy that can change it up is Drury who also is up against it with those clowns . Nothing will change as long as Panarin the cancer is on this club . He is the problem and I am sure the other guys hate it too.......trade him for salary relief....even with nothing back...it is a win .
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
This might be a good year to sell if it comes to that. We already have 2 firsts. Keep them and try to get another. I would listen to offers on Panarin, not sure of his NMC status though.
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He has a seven year deal with a full No Movement Clause which lasts through term of the contract.
 
leetch99 said:
But they don't...but they do lack confidence . They need those top 6 minutes and PP time at least more then what they have been getting . They are also still just babes. The loss of the games during Covid has hurt them .
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it didn't hurt many of their peers
 
Brief Candle said:
If they ever give the reigns to this asshat, I'll start rooting for the f***ing Kraken or something.



I'll gladly take the Argentina win! 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
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I was born and partly raised in Venezuela. All of Latin America hates Argentina. They’re known for being insufferably arrogant (especially when it comes to soccer) … so we put intracontinental rivalries aside to cheer against them when the opportunity presents itself 😂
 
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I see we’ve entered the “every scout got it wrong” phase of our grieving process with Laf and Kakko.

They didn’t.

The Rangers don’t know how to develop players. The sooner people realize this the quicker we will realize how absurd the “tank for Bedard!” calls are. Kakko and Laf are first line players on most other team in this league right now. We could absolutely ruin a player like Bedard. Just f***ing watching them.

This board always just has this default belief that the Rangers are professionals so everything that frustrates us is just fan delusion. I work with plenty of people that are considered world-renown experts in their fields and guess what? A ton of them are f***ing idiots that have just been doing it for awhile.

It’s okay to acknowledge sometimes that the Rangers organization just sucks at their f***ing job sometimes.

Edit: this is the same phenomenon as why conspiracy theories got crazy during Covid. People need explanations for things, because they’re not capable of convincing themselves that sometimes things suck and nobody has control of the situation. So saying that 5G or aliens caused Covid is comforting for people. We need to convince ourselves that the organization we love and obsess over is in the driver’s seat here, but the steering wheel is broken. The reality is the driver is a 5 year old that has only driven a tonka truck with his hand.
 
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hockeyman001 said:
It's an organizational issue and has been for a very long time.

Young players are not given responsibility, even during the dark ages of 98-04. If the Rangers had drafted Ovechkin or Makar, the team would have insisted on not using them on the PP and forcing them to play the system and establish defensive reliability first. 5 years and 130 points later, both would have gone somewhere else.

Kreider bust onto the scene as a legit speedy power forward. What happened? Buried on the depth chart, in and out of the lineup. 10 years and a huge contract later, he finally has a breakout year.

Let's go back in time a little bit and look at all of the forwards that have busted with the Rangers or only reached their potential in other places:

Alexei Kovalev. Yes, he had his moments, but his points totals with the Rangers never lived up to everywhere else in his career. He should have been scoring 70+ points every year. At least we got Nedved back for him the first time. All everyone did was call him soft and an enigma, bench him for long shifts, and misuse him on the PP.

Christian Dube/Daniel Goneau. Aside from Goneau scoring at a hot pace to start his career, nothing. Dube never even really got an extended look in the NHL at all. A quarter of a season on the 4th line and that was it, and scored his first NHL goal in a blowout when he actually got thrown onto the powerplay.

Manny Malhotra. Besides being a headscratching pick, a guy touted as a potential power forward was never used in an offensive role. Aside from a quarter season at the end of 00-01 where he got to play with Messier, nothing offensively. And that was his third season in the league after barely playing in the NHL his second, after spending his entire rookie year with the big club. Turned into a defensive center which was no doubt partially influenced by how he was used.

Pavel Brendl - never played a game for the Rangers.
Jamie Lundmark - never saw ice time above the third line.

Hugh Jessiman - horrible pick. The Jason Bonsignore of his draft class. He even later said his heart wasn't in hockey. Team did NOT do their homework on this pick at all.

Lauri Korpikoski - another speedy skater used primarily in a defensive/penalty killing/grinder role his whole career. Jimmy Vesey before Jimmy Vesey.

JT Miller - In and out of the lineup, buried on the depth chart, not trusted on the PP. Gets traded right as he's becoming serviceable as a second liner and morphs into a top line player.

Pavel Buchnevich - couldn't earn ice time, he's too soft, blah blah blah. Then one promising season, and of course he's the odd man out for salary cap and has been a legit first line player since. Remember when it was obvious to every fan the KZB line was the best combo the Rangers had, and yet they still wouldn't use him there for another 18 months?

Lias Andersson - Drafted for "leadership" instead of skills, which made no sense at the time and still doesn't. Another stupid "defensive responsibility" pick in a forward at the top of a draft class.

Filip Chytil - certainly wouldn't call him a bust, but he was a high risk high reward prospect who has been underutilized. On the rare stretches he got to play with Panarin, he showed a lot - like he could be a 60 point guy someday under the right circumstances, but of course he never gets the chance (or wil get a concussion right as it looks like he's earned his big break). I still think he's far better than his numbers.

It's an organizational philosophy that kids have to earn everything and veterans don't. It's spreading your scoring instead of putting your best players together so they produce. It's Jimmy Vesey on the first line - which is something I said about why I wouldn't be thrilled if he made the team despite genrally playing well and earn it...because it took less than a month for him to be on the top line again.

And it's completely infuriating to watch season in and season out, no matter who the coach is.
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I was saying something similar to a friend who think we should jettison KK and Laf because they won't become more than what they are.

Rangers have a history of drafting (supposedly) high end players, then not putting them in a position to succeed: If they look the wrong way on a play, they are either (a) dropped to the bottom line, (b) stapled to the bench, and/or (c) spend a few nights in the press box. Rangers are also guilty of trying to remold a player rather than working from their strong points. Reminds me of the FA years before the cap: Rangers would acquire a "square peg" player and try and fit them into a "round hole" position...and when it didn't work, no one seemed to understand why. Is it any wonder why players fare better on other teams than they do the Rangers.
 
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Machinehead said:
They did the right thing sending Othmann back when he wasn't gonna play.

Next year, he should either be on the first line for Rangers or on the first line for the Wolf Pack. Those are your choices. I don't want him up here playing 12 minutes and doing Panarin's laundry.

If that's what he's gonna do, send him to Hartford. Shit or get off the pot.
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Problem is Hartford is abysmal too lmao
 
SA16 said:
The good news, however, is we have Gerard Gallant at the helm. The coach that 90% of this board says was the guy we needed before last year.
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When something happens over and over, it is reality, not an aberration.

99% of coaches in hockey will end up hated by most of the fanbase.

Many will be hated as soon as they're hired.
 
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