Explain why a rookie #2 pick is out there in Seattle excelling on a Kraken squad led by Quinn? At what point do you put the development on the players themselves?
Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers
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Goodrow and Reaves too. They were never going to live up to their contract
zlev
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because Quinn doesn't coach the Kraken.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Sure, but the end of the day, "Kid Line" was his stupid idea, and Gallant loves it.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
After 22 games they continue to make the same mistakes and nearly every one winds up in the back of their net. Sloppy, lazy play with no structure. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They have given so many points away with lazy and undisciplined play I have lost count. Trotz is available and would change things quickly.
And another thing. Shesterkin cannot let that happen. In all my years watching him from the khl ahl nhl his strength was always locking a game down. That was an inexcusable display from him. The tying goal was a joke. Both these goalies have given away too many games with bad goals.
Kocur26
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A shocking - devastating loss …
These are losses that get players traded .
These are losses that lead to sell offs not adding Patrick Kane.
These are losses that get players traded .
These are losses that lead to sell offs not adding Patrick Kane.
haohmaru
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Man, I'd love to know how many turnovers there were in that 3rd period. The Rangers were playing hot potato with the puck, passing blind, passing inaccurately, etc... Brutal.
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Machinehead
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Good!
I'm so f***ing sick of hearing about Patrick ass 4th liner at even strength Kane.
You guys complain about Panarin on his off days. That's Kane all the damn f***ing time. Always has been.
TopShelfSnipes
Snipes Like Tarasenkoooo
It's an organizational issue and has been for a very long time.
Young players are not given responsibility, even during the dark ages of 98-04. If the Rangers had drafted Ovechkin or Makar, the team would have insisted on not using them on the PP and forcing them to play the system and establish defensive reliability first. 5 years and 130 points later, both would have gone somewhere else.
Kreider bust onto the scene as a legit speedy power forward. What happened? Buried on the depth chart, in and out of the lineup. 10 years and a huge contract later, he finally has a breakout year.
Let's go back in time a little bit and look at all of the forwards that have busted with the Rangers or only reached their potential in other places:
Alexei Kovalev. Yes, he had his moments, but his points totals with the Rangers never lived up to everywhere else in his career. He should have been scoring 70+ points every year. At least we got Nedved back for him the first time. All everyone did was call him soft and an enigma, bench him for long shifts, and misuse him on the PP.
Christian Dube/Daniel Goneau. Aside from Goneau scoring at a hot pace to start his career, nothing. Dube never even really got an extended look in the NHL at all. A quarter of a season on the 4th line and that was it, and scored his first NHL goal in a blowout when he actually got thrown onto the powerplay.
Manny Malhotra. Besides being a headscratching pick, a guy touted as a potential power forward was never used in an offensive role. Aside from a quarter season at the end of 00-01 where he got to play with Messier, nothing offensively. And that was his third season in the league after barely playing in the NHL his second, after spending his entire rookie year with the big club. Turned into a defensive center which was no doubt partially influenced by how he was used.
Pavel Brendl - never played a game for the Rangers.
Jamie Lundmark - never saw ice time above the third line.
Hugh Jessiman - horrible pick. The Jason Bonsignore of his draft class. He even later said his heart wasn't in hockey. Team did NOT do their homework on this pick at all.
Lauri Korpikoski - another speedy skater used primarily in a defensive/penalty killing/grinder role his whole career. Jimmy Vesey before Jimmy Vesey.
JT Miller - In and out of the lineup, buried on the depth chart, not trusted on the PP. Gets traded right as he's becoming serviceable as a second liner and morphs into a top line player.
Pavel Buchnevich - couldn't earn ice time, he's too soft, blah blah blah. Then one promising season, and of course he's the odd man out for salary cap and has been a legit first line player since. Remember when it was obvious to every fan the KZB line was the best combo the Rangers had, and yet they still wouldn't use him there for another 18 months?
Lias Andersson - Drafted for "leadership" instead of skills, which made no sense at the time and still doesn't. Another stupid "defensive responsibility" pick in a forward at the top of a draft class.
Filip Chytil - certainly wouldn't call him a bust, but he was a high risk high reward prospect who has been underutilized. On the rare stretches he got to play with Panarin, he showed a lot - like he could be a 60 point guy someday under the right circumstances, but of course he never gets the chance (or wil get a concussion right as it looks like he's earned his big break). I still think he's far better than his numbers.
It's an organizational philosophy that kids have to earn everything and veterans don't. It's spreading your scoring instead of putting your best players together so they produce. It's Jimmy Vesey on the first line - which is something I said about why I wouldn't be thrilled if he made the team despite genrally playing well and earn it...because it took less than a month for him to be on the top line again.
And it's completely infuriating to watch season in and season out, no matter who the coach is.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Geesh....if we could just get rid of the contract and have that money for elsewhere and his ice time for Othmann/Kreider/Cuylee/Laf we are better served. He is CANCER ! Any of those 4 playing more minutes next season makes us a harder team to defend against ......more pressure on the opposing defense......more misery on the left side and less Charmin Ultra and 4 guys backchecking .
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Love Timo Meier.
Granted, I don't think anything is helping this team unless they address systemic issues, but he would actually be a helpful pickup.
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for sure and maybe we could even resign him if we don't have to worry about big (or any) contracts for laf, kk, miller
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
You really hit on it, I think. We need a more "shit or get off the pot" mentality.
If you're not ready, you're in Hartford or elsewhere playing a shit ton of minutes. If you are ready, you're ready, and we're relying on you.
There's too many guys on this list, and you can go all the way back to Kreider, where it's "you're not gonna know where you stand, and we really don't know either."
Too many guys on this list who were played in the bottom six at the NHL level.
silverfish always said you can turn a player into anything if you play him like it. Play guys like third liners, they become third liners.
And like I said earlier, I don't know if the solution now is turn around and give Kakko and Laf 22 minutes. Damage has been done, and the road back, if there is one, will require patience and nuance. We've put ourselves in a situation where we have to f*** around because the confidence is shot.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I like Trocheck but with the cap situation, I still think we should have just sank or swam with Chytil at 2C and signed Derek Somebody for a year to be 3C.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
This might be a good year to sell if it comes to that. We already have 2 firsts. Keep them and try to get another. I would listen to offers on Panarin, not sure of his NMC status though.
Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Again, it's nothing to do with Trocheck, but I think it's clearest example there is of the Rangers having the chance to promote a young player and keeping him in the bottom six.
Brief Candle
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If they ever give the reigns to this asshat, I'll start rooting for the f***ing Kraken or something.
I'll gladly take the Argentina win!
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