Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[JT Kreider]

It was all part of the same rebuild though. The plan from 2017 onwards was to trade all of them. And there are multiple reasons why you don't trade everyone all at once during a rebuild. And I'm sorry, but you're wrong about Grabner. He was traded to the Devils for Rykov and a 2nd round pick.

...That rebuild ending up being a massive bust anyway. We have nothing to show for the McDonagh/Miller trade other than Dallas 1st round pick. The 1st for Hayes was flipped right back to WPG for Trouba.

The Nash trade saved that TDL from being one of the biggest disasters in NHL history. The lone prospect we have to show for all of those trades is Matthew Robertson.

 

[DialUp]

Do it, you cowards.

 

[duhmetreE]

How do you explain a third like that ?
How can they not play any kind of defense ?
I feel personally owed an explanation.

Turk has commissioned an investigation

He'll get to the bottom of it. He needs to talk to people familiar with the matter

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Still would like to know how Jacob Trouba leads. Because he golfs with execs and gets their input?


Laughable.

 

[The S5]

Quinn 2.0

ah yes... this strong leadership group..

We need the coach to be the leader, unfortunately.

This isn't PeeWee hockey. If you get a coach who rides players, people complain that the guys turn him off. Get a guy who allows professionals the opportunity to be professionals and people complain.
ITS THE PLAYERS!

 

[DanielBrassard]

The good news is the record is starting to align with the advanced stats, the bad news is the advanced stats are heading in the wrong direction. So yeah. I never had high expectations heading into the season personally, so what's happening isn't all that surprising. I never expected ZIbanejad, Panarin, Kreider, and Trocheck to be so anemic offensively though, and the Rangers are not going to win with those guys playing at a pedestrian level. I also didn't want them to hitch their wagon to this particular core group either, this is what I was afraid of and that was before seeing Panarin decline precipitously.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Make no mistake they got their absolute teeth kicked in.

Kreider, Trouba, and Hajek were so damn bad with the puck.

Drury needs to take a long hard look in the mirror for icing one of the slowest least explosive rosters in the league.

Lines are absolutely terrible, not sure what Gallant is thinking.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

It was all part of the same rebuild though. The plan from 2017 onwards was to trade all of them. And there are multiple reasons why you don't trade everyone all at once during a rebuild. And I'm sorry, but you're wrong about Grabner. He was traded to the Devils for Rykov and a 2nd round pick.

Okay, Grabner wasn't a victim of the expansion draft.

Point still stands: Outside of Brass, McD, Zuccs, and Miller (And even those two were packaged together: Miller and McD), we didn't so much ask for a king's ransom as most players were traded because they had an albatross contract with the team, and/or they were on the downswing in their careers (Especially Nash, Staal, and Stepan).

Again, Sather was serious with his rebuild. That trade deadline, Canadians made a joke about as every Canadian team got a Ranger player. The problem with Sather was that Jagr-Nylander-Straka were putting up ridiculous numbers and Lundqvist was put in the spotlight after Weekes kept screwing the pooch.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The good news is the record is starting to align with the advanced stats, the bad news is the advanced stats are heading in the wrong direction. So yeah. I never had high expectations heading into the season personally, so what's happening isn't all that surprising. I never expected ZIbanejad, Panarin, Kreider, and Trocheck to be so anemic offensively though, and the Rangers are not going to win with those guys playing at a pedestrian level. I also didn't want them to hitch their wagon to this particular core group either, this is what I was afraid of and that was before seeing Panarin decline precipitously.

100% agreed. What moronic roster construction. I have a feeling much pain lies ahead.

But hey they went for it right Dolan?

 

[chosen]

Strange game to bitch about Panarin.

 

[TriFF51]

Holy shit, what happened? I'm working and caught the first and second period....this team is actually a f***ing joke huh? We are not watching them in the playoffs this year.

 

[The New Russian Five]

...That rebuild ending up being a massive bust anyway. We have nothing to show for the McDonagh/Miller trade other than Dallas 1st round pick. The 1st for Hayes was flipped right back to WPG for Trouba.

The Nash trade saved that TDL from being one of the biggest disasters in NHL history. The lone prospect we have to show for all of those trades is Matthew Robertson.

I wasn't speaking to whether the rebuild is a success or not. I was just telling the other poster who I was quoting that the rangers did do a nuclear blow up style rebuild in 2017. For some reason he doesn't think so.

Now whether that rebuild was a success... well I lean towards your point of view.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Still would like to know how Jacob Trouba leads. Because he golfs with execs and gets their input?


Laughable.

Knew it was problematic when they said he met with Gary Vaynerchuk over the summer. That guy breeds morons.

To the moon, Jacob.

 

[bl02]

Adam Fox is a wonderful player. That's all I got right now.
I know we love Kakko but when should we worry that he's on pace for another what 30 point season?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

It's time.

If this is the case, all is surely lost.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Never mind. Still standing:

Same shit different day basically.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I f***ing loathe James Dolan with all of my heart. JD and Gorts were 1000% right when they said this team was not ready to take the next step. Instead he fires them and they’re replaced by a GM who throws cash at third stringers, who our moron coach plays over the prospects that were supposedly going to save our franchise. And now here we are staring at potential mediocrity, as far away from our goal as ever.

Sticky this

 

[duhmetreE]

Never mind. Still standing:

why do our head coaches act like they are a part of a different team, standing on a different bench and sitting in a different locker room?

 

[bl02]

Totally disagree. Jimmy has no speed, no grit, no offense, no skills- he’s dead weight on this roster. Plus he’s putrid away from the puck ms does not bring anything to the game.

Carpenter can’t penalty kill, is soft, generates nothing and is a far downgrade from Rooney because he contributes multiple things in each game that cost the team wins. Sometimes it’s penalties, sometimes it’s lost board battles, sometimes, like today it’s skating into a goalie. He’s terrible. The job of the fourth line is to go unnoticed in games. Far too often this group is noticeable for doing bad things- and Laf might as well be considered a 4th line guy too at this point.

Point being- it’s a brutal roster and no one should be shocked this team took major steps backwards this year. They simply don’t have the talent and the guys who they inserted into this lineup are not good.

Rooney is so much better than Carpenter. At least he has a heartbeat and actually wasn't an echl player early in the season last year. Even if he sucked late in the year carpenter is worse. GG's guy! Awesome.
Oh and keep vesey as a top 6 winger what a joke

 

[RangersFan1994]

Not only is he a bad coach but he is physically repulsive. the fat f*** has no eyebrows and barely has a neck

Drury and Gallant

 

[DanielBrassard]

Adam Fox is a wonderful player. That's all I got right now.
I know we love Kakko but when should we worry that he's on pace for another what 30 point season?

Probably should have worried a while ago lol, he's got too many flaws to ever be a really productive scorer in the NHL. Speed is obvious but he also doesn't have a particularly good release and he's not a good distributor of the puck. And as much as we like to see him hold onto the puck on the perimeter it never usually leads to anything.

 

[Machinehead]

Strange game to bitch about Panarin.

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Just to be clear, since there's another name near the top there, yes, Lafreniere scored in this game and was very good.

I'm talking bigger picture.

If he and Kakko were tearing it up and the team were winning, and we had this game, I would say "ah well too much turkey" and not give it a second thought.

I'm becoming seriously concerned about the failures of this rebuild to produce young talent.

 

[JT Kreider]

I wasn't speaking to whether the rebuild is a success or not. I was just telling the other poster who I was quoting that the rangers did do a nuclear blow up style rebuild in 2017. For some reason he doesn't think so.

Now whether that rebuild was a success... well I lean towards your point of view.

Well... that 2017 offseason was a disaster. Stepan is traded-- that should have been the start of the rebuild right then and there. Trading away our best player at the most important position in the sport. McDonagh should have been right behind him.

But then 3 days later we sign Shattenkirk? That is a must win now put us over the top as a contender move.

Not to mention the disaster that became the Lias Andersson pick and signing an offensive RHD when that identical player was the main piece in trading away one of your best players.

Gorton f***ed up massively by holding onto McDonagh like he did. Come 2018 TDL, Gorton boxed himself in with very few suitors on the table. Not to mention he had to compete for offers with the best defenseman in the league also on the trade market.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

It's time.

I would take Messier in a f***ing heartbeat. I don't care that he doesn't have a lot of experience as coach. He knows how to win.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Okay, Grabner wasn't a victim of the expansion draft.

Point still stands: Outside of Brass, McD, Zuccs, and Miller (And even those two were packaged together: Miller and McD), we didn't so much ask for a king's ransom as most players were traded because they had an albatross contract with the team, and/or they were on the downswing in their careers (Especially Nash, Staal, and Stepan).

Again, Sather was serious with his rebuild. That trade deadline, Canadians made a joke about as every Canadian team got a Ranger player. The problem with Sather was that Jagr-Nylander-Straka were putting up ridiculous numbers and Lundqvist was put in the spotlight after Weekes kept screwing the pooch.

Funny part is that the Nash and Stepan trades gave us some of better returns. The Nash trade got us Lindgren and a 1st (and we got Spooner who we flipped for Strome). Brass got us Zbad. Stepan got us ADA (who up until he screwed things up for himself was a great prospect).

It is really the McD+Miller and Zucc trades that were bad. But the real issue in the rebuild was that the rangers decided to extend Kreider, and gave a very ill advised lucrative and long term deal to Trouba, when they could have kicked the can on him and signed him for one year, and then decide what to do with him at the TDL. Those moves felt like unforced errors, and they proved to be very big errors.