WCSF: Vegas Golden Knights (P1) vs. Edmonton Oilers (P2) (VGK Lead 3-2)

[PuckG]

A few observations:

-Vegas is so damn good at defending and transitioning out of their own zone. It’s really something to behold.

- Edmonton is going to need way better goaltending. I see a lot of issues with Skinner’s game. I know Campbell has had a rough year but he’s at least proven he has the ability to steal a game for his team during his career. I’d consider a switch.

The problem with starting Campbell is aside from playing 2 periods in the first round, he hasn’t had any substantial starts in quite some time. It’s a huge gamble - a bigger IMO, than starting Stu.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The formula to beat the Oilers is pretty clear.

1. Stay out the box.
2. Focus all attention on Drai+McDavid.
3. Force the rest of the roster to beat you.

If you master #1, 2 and 3 become less important.

Good team, don't get me wrong, but they are a two-man team that relies on the PP. Not taking the penalty is easier said than done but I'd be telling guys, hey right when you're about to make the move or overcompensate because you don't want someone who isn't Drai or McDavid by, don't. Let them get the step or the move or the shot. If it's Drai or McDavid, don't. Let them get the extra shot. Don't put them on the PP.

I’m shocked that coaches haven’t tried telling their players to not take penalties against the Oilers.

Also the Oilers were one of the top teams in the league this year in terms of scoring from bottom 6. In the first round they had some pretty important goals coming from guys like Kostin, Ryan, Bjugstad and the series clinching goal from Yamamoto.

 

[Muffin]

Get used to it, some of them think this is a bad call lmao. In case anyone was wondering they didn't put a number on Draisaitl. Is that Nurse who jumped off the bench when Skinner is nowhere close to it?

Some of them still think Makar was offside even though the rule was explained to them many times,

 

[Bartleby]

Rules question: Mid way through the 2nd Hyman took an interference penalty and so EDM was down a man, 5 on 4. Then Eichel and Kane had matching minors about halfway through the VGK PP. Shouldn't that have been a 4 on 3 situation for the remaining time on VGK's PP? Has that rule been changed? Thanks.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

"Crappy team because they rely solely on two guys and the PP."

Better?

ignorance is bliss

 

[fsanford]

Yeah well a ring would be heavier, so it can't be that bad.

Or a Presidents Trophy ... Or be a team that has not won a first round series in like 20 years.

Maybe he was thinking more like a tierra.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is gonna be a fun series.

I've gotta say as a team that plays them a lot, VGK has that feel sometimes. They seem to have 3 levels: completely dominant and you lose no matter what, pretty good but up-and-down, and downright sloppy. The frustrating thing is they're good enough and can be opportunistic enough that they can win even in the last two modes, haha. So THAT will be different from the Kings series for the Oilers. I'd say last night was like, level 2 from them. They have a habit of timely scoring, even in the games they seem to be rope-a-doping you (that wasn't last night).

Edmonton looks like they had to shake off LA's f***ing tuna net, they started getting it going again later in the game, but they're gonna have to do something about that bottom pairing, the aggressive pressure is gonna turn Desharnais into a puddle.

It's gonna be a deep series, already a fun watch.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

ignorance is bliss

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

 

[SEALBound]

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I’m shocked that coaches haven’t tried telling their players to not take penalties against the Oilers.

Also the Oilers were one of the top teams in the league this year in terms of scoring from bottom 6. In the first round they had some pretty important goals coming from guys like Kostin, Ryan, Bjugstad and the series clinching goal from Yamamoto.

Lol, fair.

I'm not sure how many coaches are telling guys to be okay scaling back their aggressiveness to not take them though. Tough thing to do in the playoffs.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

its not....Oilers had 13 players with 10 or more goals this year

and let's look at who scored the game winners from last round:
Klim Kostin
Zach Hyman
Nick Bjugstad
Kailer Yammamoto

they got depth scoring

 

[Dust]

The formula to beat the Oilers is pretty clear.

1. Stay out the box.
2. Focus all attention on Drai+McDavid.
3. Force the rest of the roster to beat you.

If you master #1, 2 and 3 become less important.

Good team, don't get me wrong, but they are a two-man team that relies on the PP. Not taking the penalty is easier said than done but I'd be telling guys, hey right when you're about to make the move or overcompensate because you don't want someone who isn't Drai or McDavid by, don't. Let them get the step or the move or the shot. If it's Drai or McDavid, don't. Let them get the extra shot. Don't put them on the PP.

So tough with #1 because LA did that, and still lost. Teams have to figure out how to defend the Oilers PP better, you allow a team to keep cruising near 60% on the PP, doesn't really matter how little penalties you take, you probably deserve to lose.

 

[Mr Positive]

Oilers have laid in egg in all their game 1s for years now. Game 1 this time was a similar disaster and yet they had this game tied in the third. I'm expecting the Oilers to be better next game. Maybe Deshanais needs to sit

 

[ChanceVegas]

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I’m shocked that coaches haven’t tried telling their players to not take penalties against the Oilers.

Also the Oilers were one of the top teams in the league this year in terms of scoring from bottom 6. In the first round they had some pretty important goals coming from guys like Kostin, Ryan, Bjugstad and the series clinching goal from Yamamoto.

One thing that seems overlooked is Vegas was the least penalized team in the regular season. Obviously playoffs are different, but if Edmonton's only offense comes from the PP, that can be a good situation for Vegas.

 

[hangman005]

Oilers have laid in egg in all their game 1s for years now. Game 1 this time was a similar disaster and yet they had this game tied in the third. I'm expecting the Oilers to be better next game. Maybe Deshanais needs to sit

New Plan for Game 2: Convince the Oilers it's still Game 1

 

[North Cole]

Rules question: Mid way through the 2nd Hyman took an interference penalty and so EDM was down a man, 5 on 4. Then Eichel and Kane had matching minors about halfway through the VGK PP. Shouldn't that have been a 4 on 3 situation for the remaining time on VGK's PP? Has that rule been changed? Thanks.

I believe it's the bolded:

Rule 19 – Coincidental Penalties
19.1 Coincidental Minor Penalties:
When coincidental minor penalties or
coincidental minor penalties of equal duration are imposed against
players of both teams, the penalized players shall all take their places
on the penalty benches and such penalized players shall not leave the
penalty bench until the first stoppage of play following the expiry of
their respective penalties. Where goalkeepers are involved, refer to

27.1. Immediate substitution shall be made for an equal number of​

minor penalties or coincidental minor penalties of equal duration to​

each team so penalized and the penalties of the players for which​

substitutions have been made shall not be taken into account for the​

purpose of the delayed penalty rule (Rule 26 – Delayed Penalties).​

This rule only applies when at least one team is already serving a time​

penalty in the penalty box that causes them to be short-handed.​

When one minor penalty is assessed to one player of each team at​

the same stoppage in play, these penalties will be served without​

substitution provided there are no other penalties in effect and visible​

on the penalty clocks. Both teams will therefore play four skaters​

against four skaters for the duration of the minor penalties.​

Coincidental minors look like they always result in 4on4, but it sounds like coincidental penalties cannot result in a 4on3, so if they are already shorthanded you each just get a permanent substitution and remain 5on4.

I'm not a ref so maybe someone can point to something else or I'm misinterpreting this, but that's what I found.

 

[CanuckHockey]

Not too sure what Woodcroft was doing there on that late too many men penalty. Can't be throwing all your chess pieces on the board like that, buddy. Great game though. Should be a fun series.

 

[Bartleby]

I believe it's the bolded:

Rule 19 – Coincidental Penalties
19.1 Coincidental Minor Penalties:
When coincidental minor penalties or
coincidental minor penalties of equal duration are imposed against
players of both teams, the penalized players shall all take their places
on the penalty benches and such penalized players shall not leave the
penalty bench until the first stoppage of play following the expiry of
their respective penalties. Where goalkeepers are involved, refer to

27.1. Immediate substitution shall be made for an equal number of​

minor penalties or coincidental minor penalties of equal duration to​

each team so penalized and the penalties of the players for which​

substitutions have been made shall not be taken into account for the​

purpose of the delayed penalty rule (Rule 26 – Delayed Penalties).​

This rule only applies when at least one team is already serving a time​

penalty in the penalty box that causes them to be short-handed.​

When one minor penalty is assessed to one player of each team at​

the same stoppage in play, these penalties will be served without​

substitution provided there are no other penalties in effect and visible​

on the penalty clocks. Both teams will therefore play four skaters​

against four skaters for the duration of the minor penalties.​

Coincidental minors look like they always result in 4on4, but it sounds like coincidental penalties cannot result in a 4on3, so if they are already shorthanded you each just get a permanent substitution and remain 5on4.

I'm not a ref so maybe someone can point to something else or I'm misinterpreting this, but that's what I found.

Actually it's the sentence just above the bolded that really spells it out. Thanks very much for getting back.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

If Cassidy is going to keep Brossait in net, Broassait needs to stay in his net. Two of the goals against him he was caught completely out of position. WTF was he doing on goal 3? Horrendous goaltending.

Spell his name right. It's Brossoit.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Edmonton has gotta get Vincent Desharnais out of there. It's hard to see how a Number 6 Defenseman can be so destructive. Surely they gotta have a better option there?

 

[North Cole]

Actually it's the sentence just above the bolded that really spells it out. Thanks very much for getting back.

Ah yes you're right. The whole of 27.1 is the rule, not just that bottom section. This is why I shouldn't be a ref lmao

Edmonton has gotta get Vincent Desharnais out of there. It's hard to see how a Number 6 Defenseman can be so destructive. Surely they gotta have a better option there?

They do, coach just refuses to trust Broberg

 

[Artemi Panarin]

its not....Oilers had 13 players with 10 or more goals this year

and let's look at who scored the game winners from last round:
Klim Kostin
Zach Hyman
Nick Bjugstad
Kailer Yammamoto

they got depth scoring

Your regular season goal stats mean nothing in the playoffs because it's a different beast. You know this.

 

[Leksand]

Actually it's the sentence just above the bolded that really spells it out. Thanks very much for getting back.

And this was introduced quite some time ago to eliminate teams on PP to provoke scrums resulting in a penalty for roughing / fighting for each team, in order to get a 4 on 3 IIRC

 

[Leksand]

They do, coach just refuses to trust Broberg

I agree on Desharnais 100% but at least early on in the playoffs Broberg looked extremely nervous to the point of being flat out shaky. Hasn’t noticed him most recently, and his minutes are indeed limited, so maybe a valid option now. (Really been hoping for Broberg to establish himself ever since he was drafted).

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

I can't believe McDavid was complaining to the refs on the "Too Many Men" call at the end of the game. I guess that quote from his coach in the last series about him believing McD over the refs really got to his head and he thinks he is an offical now also.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

This Vegas crowd will be nothing compared to Roger's if Oilers win the next game.

Relax man.

Oilers clearly felt their way into the game and were too loose. Once they tighten up Vegas will have nothing other than stick work. Vegas isn't going to be scoring 6 goals a game but I guarantee you the Oil will get 4+ at will every game. They played like shit and still were right there.

A lucky bounce 5v5 and two powerplay goals is what caused you to be in this game. Vegas tightens up their play and it’s Vegas all day 5v5.

I agree on Desharnais 100% but at least early on in the playoffs Broberg looked extremely nervous to the point of being flat out shaky. Hasn’t noticed him most recently, and his minutes are indeed limited, so maybe a valid option now. (Really been hoping for Broberg to establish himself ever since he was drafted).

If you haven’t noticed him, I would consider that a good sign no? Means he’s not a defensive liability.