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WCSF Gm#3: KINGS vs. Sharks - 5/18/13 - Can't Win Them All, Especially Shorthanded

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Muzzinga said:
No, no sport should be results orientated and the best coaches/players aren't, in any sport. The Kings top line outplays the other top line like 7 games out of 10 for example, just because they are unlucky to go 9 games of getting outplayed, doesn't mean you should pass up that 7/10 edge

None of Muzzins horrific giveaways in the blues series ended up in the back of the net, but that doesn't mean they weren't horrific giveaways

Its equally frustrating when the media call out players for not scoring in x amount of games. They aren't doing anything different whatsoever, its just there is this little thing known as variance that exists in sports. For example people here like to say Kopitar 'takes January and February off' which is laughable. He plays identical in those months to any other month, its just a coincidence that variance has resulted in him slumping in those months for a couple of years, but a huge majority of sport fans don't get that.
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Nah when it happens each year at the same time it's called a trend. Especially when people have predicted Kopitar slumps just 2-5 games into them, because he noticeably changes the way he plays the game, everything becomes perimeter, no drives to the net, not even scoring chances. If it was variance, he would still get scoring chances but probably not score, he doesn't even get scoring chances. Definitely not a case of luck or variance sorry.
 
Hitchcock put Tarasenko in game 3 and scratched Cracknell, kid didn't even play 5 minutes, Blues lost four straight. Sutter put Pearson, kid barely played 5 minutes, Kings lost .. whoa, scary :sarcasm:

I get headaches when Sutter shuffles the lines. He did that in first game of the playoffs too and returned back to usual lines after, wondering now if he'll change anything.

I don't know why people comparing Quick to Smith. Quick shouldn't complain that way to refs, but when he whines he usually has a strong reason unlike Smith. He stopped 40 shots, his team got outplayed all night yet he didn't give up a goal on ES. He's got a right to be frustrated every now and then.
 
agentfouser said:
We have to get the Richards line away from Thornton. The Sharks got that matchup all night long, and dominated. Richards's Corsi/Fenwick numbers must be brutal for tonight.
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That's the problem you face when a) the Sharks have last change and b) you're top line isn't a threat. Add in the left winger who isn't a top six player and the line is nullified.
 
I would like to see DS put Penner with Richards and Carter.

I do think that some players are pretty banged up. (looking at you Williams)

Bottom line is that in St.Louis and San Jose, those teams get their preferred match ups.

The kings have yet to lose a game by more than one goal.

I don't think Pearson did any less than what Nolan would have done in 5 min. I think both teams shortened their benches in the third.

Brown Kopi Toffoli
Penner Richards Carter
Clifford Lewis Williams
King Richardson Nolan

DD Regehr
VV Scuderi
Martinez-(doubt Muzzin comes out) Greene
 
Kings will lose this series because of 3 players:

Kopitar 0 points against the Sharks; 1 goal and 4 points in 9 games
Williams 0 points against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games
Brown 1 goal against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games

Unless they step up in the next 2-4 games, the Kings will be eliminated. When Scott Gomez has more points than your entire top line, you have problems.


The Kings have been held to 1 goal four times already. Kings continue to waste monster efforts by Quick. Scoring 2 goals would have had the Kings up 3-0 in this series.
 
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MsWoof said:
That's the problem you face when a) the Sharks have last change and b) you're top line isn't a threat. Add in the left winger who isn't a top six player and the line is nullified.
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Exactly. Richards and Carter spent the whole night trying to shut down that line. You'd think the top line would be able to take advantage of that and have some scoring chances, but no. They put Thorton's line out with Kopi's a few times and frankly, it looked even worse. I thought Kopitar played well but his two wingers were absolutely useless last night.
 
Not much to say, the Kings played pretty much the same as the other games against the Sharks. Not gonna be that lucky every game.
 
Sydor25 said:
Kings will lose this series because of 3 players:

Kopitar 0 points against the Sharks; 1 goal and 4 points in 9 games
Williams 0 points against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games
Brown 1 goal against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games

Unless they step up in the next 2-4 games, the Kings will be eliminated. When Scott Gomez has more points than your entire top line, you have problems.
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^^ true ^^

the "star" players need to be the stars - once in a while at least!! It will be tough to win with no offense from these 3.
 
damacles1156 said:
And Yet somehow Muzzin and Ellerby still didn't give up an Even strength Goal. ...


Sutter knows what he is doing.
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It's not just about giving up goals. Martinez' ability to skate the puck out of the zone and get shots on net helps the offense tremendously. The only other guy we have that can skate the puck the way Martinez can is Doughty. In a game where we only scored one goal that's huge.

I agree that Sutter has earned the "he knows what he's doing" label, but not giving up an even strength goal didn't help us win the game.
 
I think Sutter was trying to see if Quick could steal one last night and was hoping adding Ellerby to the lineup might give him a little extra help. Not sure I agree, but that may have been the thinking on that.

I thought Ellerby played well.
 
Oh no Kings lost A game, as in one. If they win the series this game will just be a funny bump in the road
 
Guys here were already talking about playing Chicago or Detroit. You guys are quick to forget that we were also down 2-0 last series. This is far from over, the Sharks are solid at home (only lost twice all year). Anyways, Sutter needs to quit being a hero and playing Pearson/Ellerby. Go back to what's working, insert Martinez (PLEAAAAAASE) and Clifford or Nolan.
 
As most have pointed out here, the Kings have yet to play a solid 60 minutes throughout the whole playoffs. Up 2-1, have to stay positive but the big boys need to start playing well. Can't rely on Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson to be our saviours right now. Big game Tuesday night, it is basically the most important game of the series. Win and you're up 3-1, lose and you're down 2-2 with all the momentum swinging the Sharks way.
 
Sydor25 said:
Kings will lose this series because of 3 players:

Kopitar 0 points against the Sharks; 1 goal and 4 points in 9 games
Williams 0 points against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games
Brown 1 goal against the Sharks; 2 goals and 3 points in 9 games

Unless they step up in the next 2-4 games, the Kings will be eliminated. When Scott Gomez has more points than your entire top line, you have problems.


The Kings have been held to 1 goal four times already. Kings continue to waste monster efforts by Quick. Scoring 2 goals would have had the Kings up 3-0 in this series.
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While I wholeheartedly agree with the first part regarding the first line, the part about them "continuing to waste monster efforts by Quick" a bit of an overstatement about a team that won 6 of their last 7 playoff games.
 
onlyalad said:
Oh no Kings lost A game, as in one. If they win the series this game will just be a funny bump in the road
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After a win: 'We're gonna repeat, this team is the best!'

After a loss: 'So who are we getting in the draft?'

I don't know, I just feel like they could be so much better and it's frustrating that they aren't playing like it. With quick playing like he is and a few guys still generating points they can still do enough to win. But if the 1st line would just stop struggling, it would be so much better.
 
any news on either Stoll, Clifford, or Greene???

any chance that either of these players will play Tuesday?

i don't want Pearsson, Nolan, Muzzin, Ellerby in the playoffs anymore
 
jml87 said:
After a win: 'We're gonna repeat, this team is the best!'

After a loss: 'So who are we getting in the draft?'

I don't know, I just feel like they could be so much better and it's frustrating that they aren't playing like it. With quick playing like he is and a few guys still generating points they can still do enough to win. But if the 1st line would just stop struggling, it would be so much better.
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well for sure that MItchell & Greene has had a huge impact, we can't deny this at all

and the series against STL just banged us up... SJ way too rested...not even fair from that perspective
 
Pens fan coming in peace. I have been watching the games on nbc sports. Is it just me or does the play by play guy keep calling Mike Richards Mike Richardson? It's been annoying the hell out of me.
 
Kopitar has been a total nightmare. What happened to this guy?

We really need our top line to wake up. This team has not been the same they were last playoffs and it's more than just missing Mitchell and Greene.
 
Might be worth the loss to see Quick come in angry with something to prove Tuesday.

Tough loss because it was close and decided by late penalties, but we can't win them all. Now the pressure of the streak is off. We can start a new one next game.

I was really impressed with Toffolli. Would love to see Clifford back in soon and still missing Stoll.
 
Richie10 said:
Kopitar has been a total nightmare. What happened to this guy?
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well you're right that it's not just Greene & Mitchell... but they do make the job a lot easier for everyone

but i think Kopitar is playing hurt? :dunno: i guess we'll find out this summer
 
RH710 said:
Pens fan coming in peace. I have been watching the games on nbc sports. Is it just me or does the play by play guy keep calling Mike Richards Mike Richardson? It's been annoying the hell out of me.
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He wouldn't be the first to stumble over Brad Richardson and Mike Richards.

Just think if the Kings had succeeded in landing Brad Richards when they wooed him. Think about the nightmare for announcers with those 3 guys on the same team.
 
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