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True Hockey Fan said:
Extremist opinions? 5% ? :laugh: Those 90+% of the tickets that are already sold clearly support your beliefs. Or even almost sold-out pre-tournament game in Columbus, United States, for example.
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Look at the number of tickets on StubHub and the prices. Teams sell tickets on these websites even though they would never admit it. It is a way for them to dump tickets at low prices. StubHub even admitted teams do this.
 
FuriousSenator

Soccer has the World Cup and Olympics that's it in hockey if we say teams need to earn there way your going to be getting rid of the world championships etc.
 
jason2020 said:
FuriousSenator

Soccer has the World Cup and Olympics that's it
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That's not it. They've also got continental championships. Tournaments like EURO2016 and Copa America are way bigger than any hockey tournament will ever be. They're also significantly more important than the Olympic soccer tournament. In soccer the Olympics don't mean all that much.
 
Lepardi said:
That's not it. They've also got continental championships. Tournaments like EURO2016 and Copa America are way bigger than any hockey tournament will ever be. They're also significantly more important than the Olympic soccer tournament. In soccer the Olympics don't mean all that much.
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Try telling that to the Brazilians...

I'd say it's right behind the World Cup and each country's respective continental championship tournament,
 
Jussi said:
Try telling that to the Brazilians...
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You try asking the Brazilians how much more it would have meant to them to win the World Cup or the Copa.

Jussi said:
I'd say it's right behind the World Cup and each country's respective continental championship tournament,
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It's light-years behind the World Cup and the Euros or Copa America. When the Olympic final was played last weekend, the Premier League and La Liga were already underway.
 
Ah, the silly Gimmick Cup. I'm seeing close to zero advance coverage of it here in Slovakia (deservedly so), with the KHL and even the domestic Slovak league getting more attention. I doubt this will change in September.
 
Faterson said:
Ah, the silly Gimmick Cup. I'm seeing close to zero advance coverage of it here in Slovakia (deservedly so), with the KHL and even the domestic Slovak league getting more attention. I doubt this will change in September.
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Isn´t your heart beating for Team Europe? Are you telling us that you wouldn´t feel national pride if they would make a line containing players from your country such as Chara, Hossa and Kopitar? They could speak the same language in that line, would be a typically genuine NHL-idea to make it feel more real!
 
Robban7 said:
Isn´t your heart beating for Team Europe? Are you telling us that you wouldn´t feel national pride if they would make a line containing players from your country such as Chara, Hossa and Kopitar?
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Please tell me this was intentional.
 
Faterson said:
Ah, the silly Gimmick Cup. I'm seeing close to zero advance coverage of it here in Slovakia (deservedly so), with the KHL and even the domestic Slovak league getting more attention. I doubt this will change in September.
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I wonder if the Team Czech vs Team Europe game will have the same fire as a Team Czech vs Team Slovak game?
 
FiLe said:
Please tell me this was intentional.
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Oh, well.. slovakia, slovenia.. its more or less the same.. sounds same, almost same flags, same language or whatevs. They share as much, if not more than two neighbouring american states!
No, im just fooling. I was just making a point of how ridiculous and plastic this is and refering to Kopitar as being from the same country as Hossa and Chara is something I would expect the commentators say to be honest. That's about the ***** they give about european culture. The commentators over there, no matter what sport are perhaps the only ones in the world not even trying to pronounce foreign names right.. and unless they study their papers before a game I would expect them to think that slovakia and slovenia are more or less the same country somehow :laugh:

PKWeber said:
I wonder if the Team Czech vs Team Europe game will have the same fire as a Team Czech vs Team Slovak game?
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Of course it will, it will even matter more since its agreed on by everyone in the world that all that matters is that you put the best players on ice and everyone will care, now surely Chara will dive in to a slap shot and block the puck with his face in the last seconds of the game so his native Team Europe doesn´t get scored on! National spirit, culture etc. is nothing that players care about, being on a team with the best players is all that matters in order to get the best hockey out of a game, just look at the effort players put into the all star games in NHL!

Canuckistani said:
Just listen to this Bettman moron.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/world-cup-of-hockey/spent-world-cup-summer-team-canada/

Regarding the two joke teams (14:37): "The feedback we're getting from Europe is that this format has intrigued and is exciting and will generate interest."
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I don´t think that I will live to see the World Cup, I just got cancer from listening to that.
 
There are people in Europe who will watch despite the gimmicks. But in no friggin' way should one pretend there's a significant amount of people on this side of the pond who think the gimmicks are a good idea.
 
FiLe said:
There are people in Europe who will watch despite the gimmicks. But in no friggin' way should one pretend there's a significant amount of people on this side of the pond who think the gimmicks are a good idea.
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In no friggin' way should one pretend to know how many people there actually are who think this or that.
 
I wonder if scheduling could affect on the spectator ratings. You force certain National teams to play in certain places, to maximize the fan amounts.

Team Finland should play their games at Minneapolis. (Koivu, Granlund, Haula)
Team Sweden should play at Vancouver. (Sedins + Loui Eriksson)
Team Canada should play at Toronto, Montreal or Calgary.
Team USA should play at New York.
Team Russia should play at Washington (against anybody, but not USA).
Team Czech Republic should play at Boston or Philadelphia
Team North America should play at Edmonton or Toronto. (McDavid, Matthews)
Team Europe should play at Detroit or Los Angeles. (Tatar - Nielsen - Vanek, Gaborik-Kopitar)

I think all big hockey markets should be covered pretty well that way.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
In no friggin' way should one pretend to know how many people there actually are who think this or that.
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I don't know why you are in denial about something that is obvious. You like the gimmick, fine. There is a decent number of people in Canada, maybe the United States, who do as well. It's fairly obvious from these forums and from how rigid Europeans are with regard to international competition that they wouldn't like these gimmicks. Further, whether people like or dislike the gimmicks (it seems most don't) doesn't even factor into whether the gimmicks are good or not.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
and obviously HF Boards includes the whole Europe so we know for a fact he's clearly lying.
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There's a poll on Finland's only significant ice hockey forum about the format of this World Cup. The question is: "What do you think about the new World Cup format?"

And this is the result:
"It's excellent" 9%
"It's garbage" 91%

When talking to people in real life, I haven't yet met one single person who thinks it's a good idea. I have seen some incredulous rolling of the eyes though from people who have heard about the format from me for the first time. The last time was on Sunday when I told a colleague about Team North America and Team Europe. His facial expression screamed "are you serious?" loud and clear.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
In no friggin' way should one pretend to know how many people there actually are who think this or that.
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No here's one thing where you're flat out wrong, no matter what your opinion is.

Yes one can. All you need is a wide and diverse enough sample of opinions, and you *can* reliably aggregate those positions and presume it applies to the population in general. That's how e.g. political polling works, among other things.

If the feedback was really positive as Bettman claims, I would've noticed it. Not just by gauging people - because saying you've met no one is always anecdotal - but by gauging the media as well. And there's been absolutely no stories that have taken a positive stance to the inclusion of the gimmicks.

Simply put, Bettman is lying through his teeth. The response in Europe ranges from indifference to open disdain.

And before someone claims I'm living in some kind of bubble, let me say that neither will I claim that hardliners like me who want nothing to do with this thing are in some kind of majority. No. I'm part of the fringe response. The majority are likely those who figure the gimmicks are kinda meh, would prefer some actual NTs in their place, but that's not gonna stop them from watching anyway. Yet it takes one delusional spin doctor to translate that to "intrigue and excitement".
 
True Hockey Fan said:
and obviously HF Boards includes the whole Europe so we know for a fact he's clearly lying.
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We dont know if he is clearly lying (I like this sentense). yet I would like to know what kind of feedback he got from Europe or rather how or from where he got it to see if he is clearly saying the true. I never heard about anybody being excited by team Europe. NA23 sure, at least here on HF.

Btw. I am sure that if he called EU Commission, they were super happy and completely agreed :). However they probably never watched hockey , except swedish, czechs and finnish employees..
 
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Jussi said:
Try telling that to the Brazilians...

I'd say it's right behind the World Cup and each country's respective continental championship tournament,
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Brazil only 'cared' about the Olympic tournament this year because they were hosting it and it's a title they've never won before.

A u23 tournament where most of the countries send C teams because clubs don't even permit their players to go is no where near as important as the World Cup or any continental championship, anyone who thinks so really has no clue. It isn't even as a big as the Confederations Cup which is just a glorified exhibition tournament.
 
Jablkon said:
We dont know if he is clearly lying (I like this sentense). yet I would like to know what kind of feedback he got from Europe or rather how or from where he got it to see if he is clearly saying the true. I never heard about anybody being excited by team Europe. NA23 sure, at least here on HF.
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Hmm. I think I must agree with this and walk back my earlier statement a bit.

It's indeed possible that Bettman isn't lying. He could simply have bad data.
 
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